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Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
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Agamemnon
2018-03-24 17:45:05 UTC
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Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl

Whittaker and her companions arrive in 1940s Amsterdam in order to visit
Anne Frank and see how she's getting on with her diary.

As they step out of the TARDIS and into the streets and lanes by the
canals the skin colour of Whittaker's companions Ryan and Yasmin looks
clearly out of place. Graham points out to Whittaker that it cannot be
too long before people start getting suspicious and they try to bunch up
around Ryan and Yasmin to try to conceal them.

The travelers make their way to the Opekta offices on the Prinsengracht
(Prince's Canal). Whittaker greets various former employees of Anne
Frank's father Otto Frank along the way, making a series of secret
gestures and glancing at the non-white members of their party.

At the entrance to the building a woman named Miep Gies greets them and
takes them into the building and upstairs to a landing on which a
bookcase is standing. Gies draws away the bookcase to reveal a secret
annex and they all walk through. Gies tells them to speed up and quickly
draws back the book case.

Inside is Gies' husband Jan along with Anne and her father Otto Frank.
The Franks are delighted to receive new visitors and esquire about any
news. Ryan and Yasmin have brought Anne and the other children who are
in hiding some marbles to play with. Whittaker talks about the progress
of the D-Day landings.

The days pass by and while Whittaker and Graham can enter and leave the
building freely to get supplies, the others cannot. During the night
Anne Frank reads out extracts from her diary. They fall asleep.

On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.

The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.

Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.

Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!

The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!

They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.

At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.

Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.

Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.

On 28 October Anne Frank is relocated to Bergen-Belsen where she would
die along with her sister. Her mother Edith Frank is left behind at
Auschwitz where she dies.

Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.

Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.

Time can be changed by no man and no woman!

They depart, resolved to take action so such tragic events can never
happen again.
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-24 19:42:18 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Does Graham ask "Why the @#$%^! don't you have a way to summon the TARDIS by remote control????"?
Agamemnon
2018-03-24 20:27:58 UTC
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Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Most probably.
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-24 19:46:24 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
"Why is this Nazi black?".
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-24 19:56:10 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
But in some episodes, the Doctor has said that time can be rewritten!
The Doctor
2018-03-24 22:12:56 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
But in some episodes, the Doctor has said that time can be rewritten!
When?
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Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 02:41:20 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
But in some episodes, the Doctor has said that time can be rewritten!
When?
http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Time_can_be_rewritten
Agamemnon
2018-03-25 10:55:25 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
But in some episodes, the Doctor has said that time can be rewritten!
When?
http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Time_can_be_rewritten
The writers need to be consistent.
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 12:59:10 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
But in some episodes, the Doctor has said that time can be rewritten!
When?
http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Time_can_be_rewritten
The writers need to be consistent.
The Doctor rewrote Kasran's childhood and Harriet Jones' political career.
Agamemnon
2018-03-25 13:11:24 UTC
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Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
But in some episodes, the Doctor has said that time can be rewritten!
When?
http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Time_can_be_rewritten
The writers need to be consistent.
The Doctor rewrote Kasran's childhood and Harriet Jones' political career.
Bad writing is no excuse. Ryan and Yasmin are both already dead so there
is nothing Whittaker can do to change that.
The Doctor
2018-03-25 13:04:05 UTC
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Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
But in some episodes, the Doctor has said that time can be rewritten!
When?
http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Time_can_be_rewritten
Fully cite please.
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Daniel60
2018-03-26 11:16:55 UTC
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Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
But in some episodes, the Doctor has said that time can be rewritten!
When?
http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Time_can_be_rewritten
Fully cite please.
Did you even bother going to the site that Tim cited, idiot??

It includes several examples there, so no need for Tim to "Fully cite"!!
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Daniel
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-24 20:00:29 UTC
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Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
But haven't you said that the Doctor is an "It", so would be neither man nor woman!?
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-24 20:23:41 UTC
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On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Agamemnon
2018-03-24 20:26:53 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-24 20:40:43 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Okay, have Graham use PP to pass for Nazi official!
Agamemnon
2018-03-24 20:58:34 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Okay, have Graham use PP to pass for Nazi official!
It's still not going to work. Where is Graham going to get a Nazi
uniform from? The Nazis will want full documentation including signed
orders and warrants and will want to triple check people's identities
and papers so they know they are who they say they are.
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-24 23:23:07 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Okay, have Graham use PP to pass for Nazi official!
It's still not going to work. Where is Graham going to get a Nazi
uniform from? The Nazis will want full documentation including signed
orders and warrants and will want to triple check people's identities
and papers so they know they are who they say they are.
They would use Psychic Paper to convince officials that they have all necessary documents, papers, orders, etc. Also, I am sure they can steal uniforms.
Agamemnon
2018-03-25 10:13:58 UTC
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On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Okay, have Graham use PP to pass for Nazi official!
It's still not going to work. Where is Graham going to get a Nazi
uniform from? The Nazis will want full documentation including signed
orders and warrants and will want to triple check people's identities
and papers so they know they are who they say they are.
They would use Psychic Paper to convince officials that they have all necessary documents, papers, orders, etc. Also, I am sure they can steal uniforms.
How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 12:54:39 UTC
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On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Okay, have Graham use PP to pass for Nazi official!
It's still not going to work. Where is Graham going to get a Nazi
uniform from? The Nazis will want full documentation including signed
orders and warrants and will want to triple check people's identities
and papers so they know they are who they say they are.
They would use Psychic Paper to convince officials that they have all necessary documents, papers, orders, etc. Also, I am sure they can steal uniforms.
How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.

But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like the proper documents!

You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs. How had they done so?
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2018-03-25 12:59:53 UTC
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On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Okay, have Graham use PP to pass for Nazi official!
It's still not going to work. Where is Graham going to get a Nazi
uniform from? The Nazis will want full documentation including signed
orders and warrants and will want to triple check people's identities
and papers so they know they are who they say they are.
They would use Psychic Paper to convince officials that they have all necessary documents, papers, orders, etc. Also, I am sure they can steal uniforms.
How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.
But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like the proper documents!
The Nazis are not that stupid. Things have to be cross checked and filed
in ledgers.
Post by Timothy Bruening
You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs. How had they done so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on the access
list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 15:07:24 UTC
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You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs. How had they done so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on the access
list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Use Psychic Papers to make citizen IDs LOOK like Nazi officer IDs!
The Doctor
2018-03-25 18:08:34 UTC
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You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs. How had they done so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on the access
list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Use Psychic Papers to make citizen IDs LOOK like Nazi officer IDs!
?nazis are immune to psychic paper.
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2018-03-25 21:02:21 UTC
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Use Psychic Papers to make citizen IDs LOOK like Nazi officer IDs!
?nazis are immune to psychic paper.
Which TV episode establishes that factoid?
The Doctor
2018-03-25 23:44:35 UTC
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Use Psychic Papers to make citizen IDs LOOK like Nazi officer IDs!
?nazis are immune to psychic paper.
Which TV episode establishes that factoid?
They get knocked by a regenerating Mel Pond.
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2018-03-26 02:50:03 UTC
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Use Psychic Papers to make citizen IDs LOOK like Nazi officer IDs!
?nazis are immune to psychic paper.
Which TV episode establishes that factoid?
They get knocked by a regenerating Mel Pond.
But I don't recall anyone saying "Nazis are immune to Psychic Paper".
The Doctor
2018-03-26 15:04:20 UTC
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Use Psychic Papers to make citizen IDs LOOK like Nazi officer IDs!
?nazis are immune to psychic paper.
Which TV episode establishes that factoid?
They get knocked by a regenerating Mel Pond.
But I don't recall anyone saying "Nazis are immune to Psychic Paper".
Aga?
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2018-03-26 11:24:12 UTC
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How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.
But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like the proper documents!
The Nazis are not that stupid. Things have to be cross checked and filed
in ledgers.
Post by Timothy Bruening
You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs.  How had they done
so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on the access
list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Rubbish, Agamemnon!! ;-P I've seen "Hogan's Heros" characters enter Nazi
local headquarters many times!! ;-P
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How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.
But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like the proper documents!
The Nazis are not that stupid. Things have to be cross checked and filed
in ledgers.
Post by Timothy Bruening
You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs.  How had they done
so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on the access
list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Rubbish, Agamemnon!! ;-P I've seen "Hogan's Heros" characters enter Nazi
local headquarters many times!! ;-P
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Hogan's Zeroes?
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2018-03-26 15:57:49 UTC
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How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.
But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like the proper documents!
The Nazis are not that stupid. Things have to be cross checked and
filed in ledgers.
Post by Timothy Bruening
You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs. How had they done so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on the
access list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Rubbish, Agamemnon!! ;-P I've seen "Hogan's Heros" characters enter Nazi
local headquarters many times!! ;-P
That would have been unrealistic.
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2018-03-27 10:13:06 UTC
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How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.
But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like the proper documents!
The Nazis are not that stupid. Things have to be cross checked and
filed in ledgers.
Post by Timothy Bruening
You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs.  How had they
done so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on the
access list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Rubbish, Agamemnon!! ;-P I've seen "Hogan's Heros" characters enter
Nazi local headquarters many times!! ;-P
That would have been unrealistic.
... and Dr Who is fact based?!
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2018-03-27 12:10:29 UTC
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How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.
But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like the
proper documents!
The Nazis are not that stupid. Things have to be cross checked and
filed in ledgers.
Post by Timothy Bruening
You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs. How had they done so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on the
access list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Rubbish, Agamemnon!! ;-P I've seen "Hogan's Heros" characters enter
Nazi local headquarters many times!! ;-P
That would have been unrealistic.
... and Dr Who is fact based?!
It has to be believable. That's what the imbeciles Moffat and Chibnall
have totally forgotten.
The Doctor
2018-03-27 15:38:44 UTC
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How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.
But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like the
proper documents!
The Nazis are not that stupid. Things have to be cross checked and
filed in ledgers.
Post by Timothy Bruening
You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs. How had they done so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on the
access list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Rubbish, Agamemnon!! ;-P I've seen "Hogan's Heros" characters enter
Nazi local headquarters many times!! ;-P
That would have been unrealistic.
... and Dr Who is fact based?!
It has to be believable. That's what the imbeciles Moffat and Chibnall
have totally forgotten.
I would toss in RTD for a safe bet.
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How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.
But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like
the proper documents!
The Nazis are not that stupid. Things have to be cross checked and
filed in ledgers.
Post by Timothy Bruening
You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs.  How had they
done so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on the
access list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Rubbish, Agamemnon!! ;-P I've seen "Hogan's Heros" characters enter
Nazi local headquarters many times!! ;-P
That would have been unrealistic.
... and Dr Who is fact based?!
It has to be believable. That's what the imbeciles Moffat and Chibnall
have totally forgotten.
The first principle of the show is that someone can travel in Time and
Space.

"believable"!! ... Sure it is!!
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2018-03-28 07:24:33 UTC
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How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.
But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like
the proper documents!
The Nazis are not that stupid. Things have to be cross checked and
filed in ledgers.
Post by Timothy Bruening
You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs. How had they done so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on the
access list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Rubbish, Agamemnon!! ;-P I've seen "Hogan's Heros" characters enter
Nazi local headquarters many times!! ;-P
That would have been unrealistic.
... and Dr Who is fact based?!
It has to be believable. That's what the imbeciles Moffat and Chibnall
have totally forgotten.
The first principle of the show is that someone can travel in Time and
Space.
"believable"!! ... Sure it is!!
If you can't make it believable then the show is dead an buried. That's
the difference between good and bad writing.
Daniel60
2018-03-28 13:08:02 UTC
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How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.
But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like
the proper documents!
The Nazis are not that stupid. Things have to be cross checked
and filed in ledgers.
Post by Timothy Bruening
You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs.  How had
they done so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on the
access list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Rubbish, Agamemnon!! ;-P I've seen "Hogan's Heros" characters
enter Nazi local headquarters many times!! ;-P
That would have been unrealistic.
... and Dr Who is fact based?!
It has to be believable. That's what the imbeciles Moffat and
Chibnall have totally forgotten.
The first principle of the show is that someone can travel in Time and
Space.
"believable"!! ... Sure it is!!
If you can't make it believable then the show is dead an buried. That's
the difference between good and bad writing.
"make it believable"!! Do you really believe that any real humanoid can
travel in Time and Space, Agamemnon??

Sure it can be entertaining, more so or less so, but believable?? I
think not. IMHO, of course.
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2018-03-28 14:41:28 UTC
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How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.
But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like
the proper documents!
The Nazis are not that stupid. Things have to be cross checked
and filed in ledgers.
Post by Timothy Bruening
You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs. How had they done so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on
the access list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Rubbish, Agamemnon!! ;-P I've seen "Hogan's Heros" characters
enter Nazi local headquarters many times!! ;-P
That would have been unrealistic.
... and Dr Who is fact based?!
It has to be believable. That's what the imbeciles Moffat and
Chibnall have totally forgotten.
The first principle of the show is that someone can travel in Time
and Space.
"believable"!! ... Sure it is!!
If you can't make it believable then the show is dead an buried.
That's the difference between good and bad writing.
"make it believable"!! Do you really believe that any real humanoid can
travel in Time and Space, Agamemnon??
If you can't make it believable then you're not a good writer.

The traveling forward in time thing is already simple enough.
Post by Daniel60
Sure it can be entertaining, more so or less so, but believable?? I
think not. IMHO, of course.
Then you're a very bad writer. A good writer can always make it believable.
The Doctor
2018-03-28 23:52:20 UTC
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How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.
But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like
the proper documents!
The Nazis are not that stupid. Things have to be cross checked
and filed in ledgers.
Post by Timothy Bruening
You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs. How had
they done so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on
the access list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Rubbish, Agamemnon!! ;-P I've seen "Hogan's Heros" characters
enter Nazi local headquarters many times!! ;-P
That would have been unrealistic.
... and Dr Who is fact based?!
It has to be believable. That's what the imbeciles Moffat and
Chibnall have totally forgotten.
The first principle of the show is that someone can travel in Time
and Space.
"believable"!! ... Sure it is!!
If you can't make it believable then the show is dead an buried.
That's the difference between good and bad writing.
"make it believable"!! Do you really believe that any real humanoid can
travel in Time and Space, Agamemnon??
If you can't make it believable then you're not a good writer.
The traveling forward in time thing is already simple enough.
Post by Daniel60
Sure it can be entertaining, more so or less so, but believable?? I
think not. IMHO, of course.
Then you're a very bad writer. A good writer can always make it believable.
10/10!!!
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2018-03-29 06:42:34 UTC
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Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on
the access list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Rubbish, Agamemnon!! ;-P I've seen "Hogan's Heros" characters
enter Nazi local headquarters many times!! ;-P
That would have been unrealistic.
... and Dr Who is fact based?!
It has to be believable. That's what the imbeciles Moffat and
Chibnall have totally forgotten.
The first principle of the show is that someone can travel in Time
and Space.
"believable"!! ... Sure it is!!
If you can't make it believable then the show is dead an buried.
That's the difference between good and bad writing.
"make it believable"!! Do you really believe that any real humanoid
can travel in Time and Space, Agamemnon??
If you can't make it believable then you're not a good writer.
The traveling forward in time thing is already simple enough.
Post by Daniel60
Sure it can be entertaining, more so or less so, but believable?? I
think not. IMHO, of course.
Then you're a very bad writer. A good writer can always make it believable.
As the idiot might type "alt.uk.kook is just around the corner.".
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2018-03-28 13:28:01 UTC
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How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
With help from Dutch Resistance.
But I was imagining the Psychic Paper LOOKING to the Nazis like
the proper documents!
The Nazis are not that stupid. Things have to be cross checked and
filed in ledgers.
Post by Timothy Bruening
You do have the Doctor & Graham obtaining fake IDs. How had they done so?
Those were citizen IDs not Nazi officer IDs. If you're not on the
access list then you're not getting into any Nazi building.
Rubbish, Agamemnon!! ;-P I've seen "Hogan's Heros" characters enter
Nazi local headquarters many times!! ;-P
That would have been unrealistic.
... and Dr Who is fact based?!
It has to be believable. That's what the imbeciles Moffat and Chibnall
have totally forgotten.
The first principle of the show is that someone can travel in Time and
Space.
"believable"!! ... Sure it is!!
If you can't make it believable then the show is dead an buried. That's
the difference between good and bad writing.
Get ready for Chibnallthe BAD writer!
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2018-03-25 13:12:31 UTC
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On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince
Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for
help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
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Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Okay, have Graham use PP to pass for Nazi official!
It's still not going to work. Where is Graham going to get a Nazi
uniform from? The Nazis will want full documentation including signed
orders and warrants and will want to triple check people's identities
and papers so they know they are who they say they are.
They would use Psychic Paper to convince officials that they have all
necessary documents, papers, orders, etc. Also, I am sure they can
steal uniforms.
How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
Psychic PAper time?
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2018-03-25 13:17:59 UTC
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On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince
Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for
help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Okay, have Graham use PP to pass for Nazi official!
It's still not going to work. Where is Graham going to get a Nazi
uniform from? The Nazis will want full documentation including signed
orders and warrants and will want to triple check people's identities
and papers so they know they are who they say they are.
They would use Psychic Paper to convince officials that they have all
necessary documents, papers, orders, etc. Also, I am sure they can
steal uniforms.
How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
Psychic PAper time?
The Nazis are not that stupid.
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 18:05:23 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Okay, have Graham use PP to pass for Nazi official!
It's still not going to work. Where is Graham going to get a Nazi
uniform from? The Nazis will want full documentation including signed
orders and warrants and will want to triple check people's identities
and papers so they know they are who they say they are.
They would use Psychic Paper to convince officials that they have all necessary documents, papers, orders, etc. Also, I am sure they can steal uniforms.
How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
Given the above, how is it that the fake IDs the Doctor and Graham do have are effective?
Agamemnon
2018-03-25 20:27:43 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Okay, have Graham use PP to pass for Nazi official!
It's still not going to work. Where is Graham going to get a Nazi
uniform from? The Nazis will want full documentation including signed
orders and warrants and will want to triple check people's identities
and papers so they know they are who they say they are.
They would use Psychic Paper to convince officials that they have all necessary documents, papers, orders, etc. Also, I am sure they can steal uniforms.
How do they steal the correct ID documents, papers, orders, etc.? The
Nazis will want to inspect every one of them page by page.
Given the above, how is it that the fake IDs the Doctor and Graham do have are effective?
They don't identify them as Nazis. They don't convey any fake orders or
search warrants. They don't require them to be know to existing Nazis
that can verify their identity.
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 02:43:08 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Okay, have Graham use PP to pass for Nazi official!
It's still not going to work. Where is Graham going to get a Nazi
uniform from?
Beat up Nazi, of course!
The Doctor
2018-03-25 13:04:34 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince
Nazis that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for
help in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Okay, have Graham use PP to pass for Nazi official!
It's still not going to work. Where is Graham going to get a Nazi
uniform from?
Beat up Nazi, of course!
Makes a bit of sense!
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The Doctor
2018-03-24 22:13:37 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why doesn't the Doctor just use her Psychic Paper to convince Nazis
that she is a high ranking official? She could then ask them for help
in finding TARDIS & Companions!
Do you really think the Nazi's would be so stupid as to believe a woman
would have any power over them?
Exactly!
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Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 02:13:44 UTC
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Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
On 28 October Anne Frank is relocated to Bergen-Belsen where she would
die along with her sister. Her mother Edith Frank is left behind at
Auschwitz where she dies.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
They depart, resolved to take action so such tragic events can never
happen again.
So they have resolved to prevent such events as massacres in India, Rwanda, Bosnia, etc? But how can they do so without wrecking Earth's history and evoking Time Bats?
Agamemnon
2018-03-25 10:15:17 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
On 28 October Anne Frank is relocated to Bergen-Belsen where she would
die along with her sister. Her mother Edith Frank is left behind at
Auschwitz where she dies.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
They depart, resolved to take action so such tragic events can never
happen again.
So they have resolved to prevent such events as massacres in India, Rwanda, Bosnia, etc? But how can they do so without wrecking Earth's history and evoking Time Bats?
There's another way of them taking action. You'll see in the next episode.
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 15:37:32 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
On 28 October Anne Frank is relocated to Bergen-Belsen where she would
die along with her sister. Her mother Edith Frank is left behind at
Auschwitz where she dies.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
They depart, resolved to take action so such tragic events can never
happen again.
So they have resolved to prevent such events as massacres in India, Rwanda, Bosnia, etc? But how can they do so without wrecking Earth's history and evoking Time Bats?
There's another way of them taking action. You'll see in the next episode.
Put Ryan and Yasmin in Teselectas shortly before they are due to die.
The Doctor
2018-03-25 13:03:22 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
On 28 October Anne Frank is relocated to Bergen-Belsen where she would
die along with her sister. Her mother Edith Frank is left behind at
Auschwitz where she dies.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
They depart, resolved to take action so such tragic events can never
happen again.
So they have resolved to prevent such events as massacres in India,
Rwanda, Bosnia, etc? But how can they do so without wrecking Earth's
history and evoking Time Bats?
rEcall the history imperative.
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Daniel60
2018-03-26 11:30:33 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
On 28 October Anne Frank is relocated to Bergen-Belsen where she would
die along with her sister. Her mother Edith Frank is left behind at
Auschwitz where she dies.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
They depart, resolved to take action so such tragic events can never
happen again.
So they have resolved to prevent such events as massacres in India,
Rwanda, Bosnia, etc? But how can they do so without wrecking Earth's
history and evoking Time Bats?
rEcall the history imperative.
Nope!! Tell us all about it!!
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Daniel
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 02:21:13 UTC
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Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
Whittaker and her companions arrive in 1940s Amsterdam in order to visit
Anne Frank and see how she's getting on with her diary.
Companions: Say, why don't we rescue the Frank family?
The Doctor
2018-03-25 13:03:42 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
Whittaker and her companions arrive in 1940s Amsterdam in order to visit
Anne Frank and see how she's getting on with her diary.
Companions: Say, why don't we rescue the Frank family?
Please!!!
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Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 13:12:51 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
Whittaker and her companions arrive in 1940s Amsterdam in order to visit
Anne Frank and see how she's getting on with her diary.
Companions: Say, why don't we rescue the Frank family?
Please!!!
Okay. Companions: Say, why don't we rescue the Frank family, please?
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 08:34:32 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
They depart, resolved to take action so such tragic events can never
happen again.
Sequel: Hell Bent 2.0?
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 08:44:06 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
They depart, resolved to take action so such tragic events can never
happen again.
Other episodes losing multiple Companions:

The Chase: (Ian & Barbara).

The War Games: (Zoe, Jamie).
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 08:47:46 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
They depart, resolved to take action so such tragic events can never
happen again.
The Chase: (Ian & Barbara).
The War Games: (Zoe, Jamie).
The Angels Take Manhattan: (Rory & Amy).

The Doctor Falls: (Bill, Nardole, Missy).
The Doctor
2018-03-25 13:09:52 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
They depart, resolved to take action so such tragic events can never
happen again.
The Chase: (Ian & Barbara).
The War Games: (Zoe, Jamie).
The Angels Take Manhattan: (Rory & Amy).
The Doctor Falls: (Bill, Nardole, Missy).
Ah! Yes!!
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Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 08:51:25 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
Does the Doctor ask the Dutch Resistance for help?If not, why not?
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 13:07:43 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why hadn't this been done (by all 4 of them) at start of episode?
Agamemnon
2018-03-25 13:17:26 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why hadn't this been done (by all 4 of them) at start of episode?
A black man and an Indian woman getting a fake Nazi authorized ID?
They'd have been arrested on the spot the moment they showed their faces
and sent to Auschwitz even earlier than we already saw.
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 15:25:02 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why hadn't this been done (by all 4 of them) at start of episode?
A black man and an Indian woman getting a fake Nazi authorized ID?
They'd have been arrested on the spot the moment they showed their faces
and sent to Auschwitz even earlier than we already saw.
In your story, you wrote: "The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!".

Wouldn't the above imply that it was POSSIBLE for a black & an Indian to obtain valid ID papers? (Why bother asking if said black & Indian are sure to not have any?).

If Ryan and Yasmin had had valid identity papers, are you saying that they would have been toast anyway?
Agamemnon
2018-03-25 15:42:52 UTC
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Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Why hadn't this been done (by all 4 of them) at start of episode?
A black man and an Indian woman getting a fake Nazi authorized ID?
They'd have been arrested on the spot the moment they showed their faces
and sent to Auschwitz even earlier than we already saw.
In your story, you wrote: "The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!".
Wouldn't the above imply that it was POSSIBLE for a black & an Indian to obtain valid ID papers? (Why bother asking if said black & Indian are sure to not have any?).
If they were in Europe legally before the war began they would have had
valid ID papers and their identities would have been on record.

Not only did they not have ID papers but they had no identities on
record, so they didn't officially exist.
Post by Timothy Bruening
If Ryan and Yasmin had had valid identity papers, are you saying that they would have been toast anyway?
Their extermination was extirpated more thoroughly due to the fact they
were also regarded as spies.
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 21:43:46 UTC
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Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
New plan: Infiltrate Nazi building as custodians with help of Dutch Resistance, who will have narrowed down location of Blue Box, and obtained custodian IDs matching those of real custodians who work there. Jodie Washerwoman!

Or JodieDoc could seduce Nazi into giving her access, and/or steal his clothes & papers.
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2018-03-25 21:49:33 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
New plan: Infiltrate Nazi building as custodians with help of Dutch Resistance, who will have narrowed down location of Blue Box, and obtained custodian IDs matching those of real custodians who work there. Jodie Washerwoman!
Or JodieDoc could seduce Nazi into giving her access, and/or steal his clothes & papers.
or we could have tardis races
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 22:36:54 UTC
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Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
New plan: Infiltrate Nazi building as custodians with help of Dutch Resistance, who will have narrowed down location of Blue Box, and obtained custodian IDs matching those of real custodians who work there. Jodie Washerwoman!
Or JodieDoc could seduce Nazi into giving her access, and/or steal his clothes & papers.
or we could have tardis races
1st, JodieDoc needs 2 get the TARDIS back!
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 21:50:01 UTC
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Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Leading Doctor to tell of death of Adric?
The Doctor
2018-03-25 23:46:18 UTC
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Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Leading Doctor to tell of death of Adric?
Why?
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Timothy Bruening
2018-03-26 02:46:32 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Leading Doctor to tell of death of Adric?
Why?
The Doctor never went back in time to save Adric after he died in Earthshock.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adric:

"In Time-Flight, Tegan tries to persuade the Doctor to go back in time and save him, but the Doctor refuses to break the Laws of Time, even though it obviously pains him.".

Death of Adric is an example of a death the Doctor could not undo. Similar to cases of Yasmin and Ryan!
The Doctor
2018-03-26 15:04:04 UTC
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Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Leading Doctor to tell of death of Adric?
Why?
The Doctor never went back in time to save Adric after he died in Earthshock.
"In Time-Flight, Tegan tries to persuade the Doctor to go back in time
and save him, but the Doctor refuses to break the Laws of Time, even
though it obviously pains him.".
Death of Adric is an example of a death the Doctor could not undo.
Similar to cases of Yasmin and Ryan!
Point well taken.
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Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 22:03:14 UTC
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The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
Did Ryan and Yasmin also consider organizing fellow passengers to stage a desperate revolt at their arrival, seeing as they have nothing to lose!?
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-25 22:25:12 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
Whittaker and her companions arrive in 1940s Amsterdam in order to visit
Anne Frank and see how she's getting on with her diary.
As they step out of the TARDIS and into the streets and lanes by the
canals the skin colour of Whittaker's companions Ryan and Yasmin looks
clearly out of place.
So why not take Ryan and Yasmin back to TARDIS?
Post by Agamemnon
On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
Why didn't Doctor et al leave before then?
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-26 03:04:53 UTC
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Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Doctor: If I go back in time to save Ryan & Yasmin, I would cross my timeline & risk damaging the universe! A few years ago, I nearly wrecked the universe in an effort to save Clara (Hell Bent).
Over 1,000 years ago in my personal timeline, I took Rose back to her Dad's death in a car accident, and she saved him. As a result, the universe was wounded, and Time Monkey Bats attacked.
The Doctor
2018-03-26 15:05:06 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Doctor: If I go back in time to save Ryan & Yasmin, I would cross my
timeline & risk damaging the universe! A few years ago, I nearly
wrecked the universe in an effort to save Clara (Hell Bent).
Over 1,000 years ago in my personal timeline, I took Rose back to her
Dad's death in a car accident, and she saved him. As a result, the
universe was wounded, and Time Monkey Bats attacked.
ust reminding both of you alt.drwho.creative is around the corner!
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Daniel60
2018-03-27 10:14:20 UTC
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Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Doctor: If I go back in time to save Ryan & Yasmin, I would cross my
timeline & risk damaging the universe! A few years ago, I nearly
wrecked the universe in an effort to save Clara (Hell Bent).
Over 1,000 years ago in my personal timeline, I took Rose back to her
Dad's death in a car accident, and she saved him. As a result, the
universe was wounded, and Time Monkey Bats attacked.
ust reminding both of you alt.drwho.creative is around the corner!
"ust"??
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Timothy Bruening
2018-03-26 03:16:49 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
Whittaker and her companions arrive in 1940s Amsterdam in order to visit
Anne Frank and see how she's getting on with her diary.
Anne: How do you know of my diary?

Companions (out of Franks' earshot): Why can't we save Franks?

Doctor: Their deaths are a fixed point in time. Same deal with 2059 destruction of Bowie Base One, Pompeii volcano eruption, 9/11, and many others.
The Doctor
2018-03-26 15:05:33 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
Whittaker and her companions arrive in 1940s Amsterdam in order to visit
Anne Frank and see how she's getting on with her diary.
Anne: How do you know of my diary?
Companions (out of Franks' earshot): Why can't we save Franks?
Doctor: Their deaths are a fixed point in time. Same deal with 2059
destruction of Bowie Base One, Pompeii volcano eruption, 9/11, and many
others.
Looks like an alt.drwho.creative post.
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Timothy Bruening
2018-03-26 11:28:41 UTC
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Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Reich Main Security Office to Berlin: We found a blue London police box!

Hitler: That's weird! Such a box saved me in 1938!
Timothy Bruening
2018-03-26 12:01:01 UTC
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Whittaker S12E06 The Diary of a Young Girl
Whittaker and her companions arrive in 1940s Amsterdam in order to visit
Anne Frank and see how she's getting on with her diary.
As they step out of the TARDIS and into the streets and lanes by the
canals the skin colour of Whittaker's companions Ryan and Yasmin looks
clearly out of place. Graham points out to Whittaker that it cannot be
too long before people start getting suspicious and they try to bunch up
around Ryan and Yasmin to try to conceal them.
The travelers make their way to the Opekta offices on the Prinsengracht
(Prince's Canal). Whittaker greets various former employees of Anne
Frank's father Otto Frank along the way, making a series of secret
gestures and glancing at the non-white members of their party.
At the entrance to the building a woman named Miep Gies greets them and
takes them into the building and upstairs to a landing on which a
bookcase is standing. Gies draws away the bookcase to reveal a secret
annex and they all walk through. Gies tells them to speed up and quickly
draws back the book case.
Inside is Gies' husband Jan along with Anne and her father Otto Frank.
The Franks are delighted to receive new visitors and esquire about any
news. Ryan and Yasmin have brought Anne and the other children who are
in hiding some marbles to play with. Whittaker talks about the progress
of the D-Day landings.
The days pass by and while Whittaker and Graham can enter and leave the
building freely to get supplies, the others cannot. During the night
Anne Frank reads out extracts from her diary. They fall asleep.
On the morning of 4 August 1944 the secret annex is stormed by a group
of German uniformed police who have become suspicious of activity around
the Opekta building. Everyone inside is arrested and taken away.
The Franks along with Ryan, and Yasmin are taken to the Reich Main
Security Office where they are interrogated and held overnight.
Whittaker and Graham who were on an early morning market trip manage to
escape capture.
Miep Gies is questioned and threatened by the Security Police but not
detained. She returns to the secret annex the following day to find Anne
Frank's papers strewn on the floor and Whittaker and Graham waiting for
her. The TARDIS has gone missing!
The Nazis demand Ryan, and Yasmin provide their identity papers. They
cannot, and are unable to prove their identities which are not on
record. They are therefore assumed to be British spies and along with
the Franks are sent to Auschwitz for extermination!
They are all taken to the railway station and loaded aboard animal cars
to be deported. During the journey they consider jumping off the train
but others who have forced open the windows and jumped are seen to have
been crushed or dragged and torn to pieces along the tracks.
At the concentration camp the women are separated from the men and all
are shaven and disinfected. Those who can work are put to work. Those
who cannot are gassed.
Whittaker and Graham desperately try to find the TARDIS which is being
held by the Nazis. They acquire fake ids and work as florists on the
banks of the canals while they search.
Ryan attempts to escape Auschwitz by knocking out a Nazi guard and
taking his uniform and weapon. He seizes the Nazi's vehicle and attempts
to drive it at speed at the barriers shouting get out of the way in
German. Bollards come up in the middle of the road and he is forced to
stop. He continues to shout at the soldiers saying he is an important
person and has urgent business when they demand his pass. They almost
let him though without inspecting it but one solider notices his skin
colour. There is an exchange of fire. Ryan is dead.
On 28 October Anne Frank is relocated to Bergen-Belsen where she would
die along with her sister. Her mother Edith Frank is left behind at
Auschwitz where she dies.
Yasmin is taken to be gassed just days before Auschwitz is liberated on
January 27, 1945. Only Otto Frank would survive.
Whittaker and Graham finally get back the TARDIS after the Netherlands
is liberated by the Canadians on May 5th 1945, but there is nothing they
can do to save their companions who are already dead.
Time can be changed by no man and no woman!
They depart, resolved to take action so such tragic events can never
happen again.
All this in 45 minutes?
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