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The Time of the Doctor (Spoilers)
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Ignis Fatuus
2013-12-26 00:29:57 UTC
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No Story
No Plot
No Characters
No River Song.

The Doctor whiles away his final incarnation on a planet where it's always
Christmas. And just like the 'festive season', it doesn't half drag.

After a cracking return to form with The Day of the Doctor it's no big
surprise that Moffat was running short of ideas. But this dreary pageant
of flying saucers, resurrected monsters, and Christmas cliches, has all
the hallmarks of a story so bogged down in it's own flea-bitten mythology
that it's doomed forever to recycle the same monotonous theme.

This time the Timelords are returning through Amy's Crack. And all the
powers of the UNIVERSE are gathered to forestall them. There's the odd
brief skirmish with Daleks Cybermen Sontarans Angels etc... but for the
most part we're subjected to interminable speeches on the meaning of it
all, until the humble Christmas hour really does begin to feel like Nine
Hundred Years, with as much intrigue and suspense as the heated over
remains of Christmas dinner on Boxing Day.

The conclusion to the siege, with the Doctor emitting death rays to
destroy his enemies (after the usual bragging about how fearsome he is),
was trite lazy, and insulting to the audience.

At least I was right about the Return of the Pond. And the Bean Counters
can endlessly debate about whether Capaldi is Doctor One of Two.

But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.

0/10
The Doctor
2013-12-26 00:43:48 UTC
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No Story
No Plot
No Characters
No River Song.
The Doctor whiles away his final incarnation on a planet where it's always
Christmas. And just like the 'festive season', it doesn't half drag.
After a cracking return to form with The Day of the Doctor it's no big
surprise that Moffat was running short of ideas. But this dreary pageant
of flying saucers, resurrected monsters, and Christmas cliches, has all
the hallmarks of a story so bogged down in it's own flea-bitten mythology
that it's doomed forever to recycle the same monotonous theme.
This time the Timelords are returning through Amy's Crack. And all the
powers of the UNIVERSE are gathered to forestall them. There's the odd
brief skirmish with Daleks Cybermen Sontarans Angels etc... but for the
most part we're subjected to interminable speeches on the meaning of it
all, until the humble Christmas hour really does begin to feel like Nine
Hundred Years, with as much intrigue and suspense as the heated over
remains of Christmas dinner on Boxing Day.
The conclusion to the siege, with the Doctor emitting death rays to
destroy his enemies (after the usual bragging about how fearsome he is),
was trite lazy, and insulting to the audience.
At least I was right about the Return of the Pond. And the Bean Counters
can endlessly debate about whether Capaldi is Doctor One of Two.
But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.
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Average 5/10 .
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2013-12-26 04:01:16 UTC
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No Story
No Plot
No Characters
No River Song.
The Doctor whiles away his final incarnation on a planet where it's always
Christmas. And just like the 'festive season', it doesn't half drag.
After a cracking return to form with The Day of the Doctor it's no big
surprise that Moffat was running short of ideas. But this dreary pageant
of flying saucers, resurrected monsters, and Christmas cliches, has all
the hallmarks of a story so bogged down in it's own flea-bitten mythology
that it's doomed forever to recycle the same monotonous theme.
This time the Timelords are returning through Amy's Crack. And all the
powers of the UNIVERSE are gathered to forestall them. There's the odd
brief skirmish with Daleks Cybermen Sontarans Angels etc... but for the
most part we're subjected to interminable speeches on the meaning of it
all, until the humble Christmas hour really does begin to feel like Nine
Hundred Years, with as much intrigue and suspense as the heated over
remains of Christmas dinner on Boxing Day.
The conclusion to the siege, with the Doctor emitting death rays to
destroy his enemies (after the usual bragging about how fearsome he is),
was trite lazy, and insulting to the audience.
At least I was right about the Return of the Pond. And the Bean Counters
can endlessly debate about whether Capaldi is Doctor One of Two.
But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.
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Succinct and completely accurate summary of this appalling drivel.

The Sontarans were the only bit of fun in it until Capaldi showed up.
Peter J Ross
2013-12-26 12:54:23 UTC
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In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 00:29:57 +0000, Ignis Fatuus
Post by Ignis Fatuus
No Story
No Plot
No Characters
So it was a typical Moffat episode.
Post by Ignis Fatuus
No River Song.
We must be thankful for small mercies.

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Post by Ignis Fatuus
But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.
Foreign sales will probably ensure that New Who continues for a while,
but I expect UK transmissions to be shunted away from Saturdays and
Xmas Day in 2015.

I also expect Capaldi to leave after one season of having Moffat's
laughable attempts to write dialogue drowned out by Gold's laughable
attempts to write music.

Did Capaldi have any dialogue in the Xmas episode, or did he merely
appear as a face, like Tom at the end of Planet of the Spiders?

Obviously, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching mindless
garbage, but I might watch the last five minutes if there are clues to
how Capaldi is going to play the part.
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Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεός ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
The Doctor
2013-12-26 13:05:55 UTC
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In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 00:29:57 +0000, Ignis Fatuus
Post by Ignis Fatuus
No Story
No Plot
No Characters
So it was a typical Moffat episode.
Post by Ignis Fatuus
No River Song.
We must be thankful for small mercies.
<...>
Post by Ignis Fatuus
But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.
Foreign sales will probably ensure that New Who continues for a while,
but I expect UK transmissions to be shunted away from Saturdays and
Xmas Day in 2015.
I also expect Capaldi to leave after one season of having Moffat's
laughable attempts to write dialogue drowned out by Gold's laughable
attempts to write music.
Did Capaldi have any dialogue in the Xmas episode, or did he merely
appear as a face, like Tom at the end of Planet of the Spiders?
Obviously, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching mindless
garbage, but I might watch the last five minutes if there are clues to
how Capaldi is going to play the part.
I expect Capaldi to take over where Moffat falls flat.
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Ignis Fatuus
2013-12-26 14:07:02 UTC
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In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 00:29:57 +0000, Ignis Fatuus
Post by Ignis Fatuus
No Story
No Plot
No Characters
So it was a typical Moffat episode.
Post by Ignis Fatuus
No River Song.
We must be thankful for small mercies.
<...>
Post by Ignis Fatuus
But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.
Foreign sales will probably ensure that New Who continues for a while,
but I expect UK transmissions to be shunted away from Saturdays and
Xmas Day in 2015.
I also expect Capaldi to leave after one season of having Moffat's
laughable attempts to write dialogue drowned out by Gold's laughable
attempts to write music.
Did Capaldi have any dialogue in the Xmas episode, or did he merely
appear as a face, like Tom at the end of Planet of the Spiders?
Obviously, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching mindless
garbage, but I might watch the last five minutes if there are clues to
how Capaldi is going to play the part.
Capaldi's mindless dialogue was drowned out by Gold's mindless 'music'.
Something to do with liver and kidneys.
The Doctor
2013-12-26 21:11:07 UTC
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In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 00:29:57 +0000, Ignis Fatuus
Post by Ignis Fatuus
No Story
No Plot
No Characters
So it was a typical Moffat episode.
Post by Ignis Fatuus
No River Song.
We must be thankful for small mercies.
<...>
Post by Ignis Fatuus
But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.
Foreign sales will probably ensure that New Who continues for a while,
but I expect UK transmissions to be shunted away from Saturdays and
Xmas Day in 2015.
I also expect Capaldi to leave after one season of having Moffat's
laughable attempts to write dialogue drowned out by Gold's laughable
attempts to write music.
Did Capaldi have any dialogue in the Xmas episode, or did he merely
appear as a face, like Tom at the end of Planet of the Spiders?
Obviously, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching mindless
garbage, but I might watch the last five minutes if there are clues to
how Capaldi is going to play the part.
Capaldi's mindless dialogue was drowned out by Gold's mindless 'music'.
Something to do with liver and kidneys.
New liver, new kidneys.
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pudentame
2013-12-26 14:41:41 UTC
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Did Capaldi have any dialogue in the Xmas episode, or did he merely
appear as a face, like Tom at the end of Planet of the Spiders?
Obviously, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching mindless
garbage, but I might watch the last five minutes if there are clues to
how Capaldi is going to play the part.
I don't think it was as bad as some of the kvetching here would
indicate.

I thought the virtual nudity bit was a hoot.

Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Stephen Wilson
2013-12-26 20:56:07 UTC
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Did Capaldi have any dialogue in the Xmas episode, or did he merely
appear as a face, like Tom at the end of Planet of the Spiders?
Obviously, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching mindless
garbage, but I might watch the last five minutes if there are clues to
how Capaldi is going to play the part.
I don't think it was as bad as some of the kvetching here would
indicate.
I thought the virtual nudity bit was a hoot.
Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
~consul
2013-12-26 21:28:23 UTC
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Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his liver is coloured sickly?
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The Doctor
2013-12-26 21:40:05 UTC
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Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his liver is coloured sickly?
I got the joke.
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Stephen Wilson
2013-12-26 21:49:40 UTC
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Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his
liver is coloured sickly?
He said he didn't like the colour of his new kidneys - not his liver. And it
was meant to be funny. Both Moffat and Capaldi are Scottish, and they both
know Dr Who is a children's programme. I wouldn't have thought either of
them would want to reinforce negative stereotypes, or make jokes about
alcohol.
~consul
2013-12-26 21:58:47 UTC
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Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question -
do>>> you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his
liver is coloured sickly?
He said he didn't like the colour of his new kidneys - not his liver. And it
was meant to be funny. Both Moffat and Capaldi are Scottish, and they both
know Dr Who is a children's programme. I wouldn't have thought either of
them would want to reinforce negative stereotypes, or make jokes about
alcohol.
Yeah, but I also saw the teeth reference as a joke on the old English teeth stereotypes, and the ginger thing a dig at the Irish. Not a huge negative bias, but tongue-in-cheek poke.
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"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here, at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, consul -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>
Stephen Wilson
2013-12-26 22:08:21 UTC
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Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question -
do>>> you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his
liver is coloured sickly?
He said he didn't like the colour of his new kidneys - not his liver. And it
was meant to be funny. Both Moffat and Capaldi are Scottish, and they both
know Dr Who is a children's programme. I wouldn't have thought either of
them would want to reinforce negative stereotypes, or make jokes about
alcohol.
Yeah, but I also saw the teeth reference as a joke on the old English
teeth stereotypes, and the ginger thing a dig at the Irish. Not a huge
negative bias, but tongue-in-cheek poke.
Again, I thought it was just a bit of a joke. The Doctor's entire body has
changed, and the first thing he comments on is his teeth. Besides, I don't
think the English necessarily have bad teeth - they just don't have the
compulsion to get them straightened and whitened.

The ginger thing - well Scotland has more than Ireland. But I didn't see
that as a stereotype thing either - more a reference to a 7th Doctor story
(Battlefield).
The Doctor
2013-12-26 22:49:10 UTC
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Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his
liver is coloured sickly?
He said he didn't like the colour of his new kidneys - not his liver. And it
was meant to be funny. Both Moffat and Capaldi are Scottish, and they both
know Dr Who is a children's programme. I wouldn't have thought either of
them would want to reinforce negative stereotypes, or make jokes about
alcohol.
Well expect Capaldi to have the upper hand.
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Brian
2013-12-27 07:14:41 UTC
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Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his
liver is coloured sickly?
He said he didn't like the colour of his new kidneys - not his liver. And it
was meant to be funny. Both Moffat and Capaldi are Scottish, and they both
know Dr Who is a children's programme. I wouldn't have thought either of
them would want to reinforce negative stereotypes, or make jokes about
alcohol.
It was a children's program but now its watched by many adults its good to
have a few adult jokes.
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The Doctor
2013-12-27 15:25:36 UTC
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Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his
liver is coloured sickly?
He said he didn't like the colour of his new kidneys - not his liver. And it
was meant to be funny. Both Moffat and Capaldi are Scottish, and they both
know Dr Who is a children's programme. I wouldn't have thought either of
them would want to reinforce negative stereotypes, or make jokes about
alcohol.
It was a children's program but now its watched by many adults its good to
have a few adult jokes.
Tasteful please.
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pudentame
2013-12-27 23:50:44 UTC
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Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his liver is coloured sickly?
I don't think he said anything about his liver.
Peter J Ross
2013-12-29 16:43:20 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wilson
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Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his liver is coloured sickly?
I don't think he said anything about his liver.
The Fifth Doctor said his liver was very rich and tender.
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The Doctor
2013-12-29 22:34:03 UTC
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Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his liver is coloured sickly?
I don't think he said anything about his liver.
The Fifth Doctor said his liver was very rich and tender.
All right PEter care for some whiskey?
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2014-01-01 23:13:15 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wilson
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Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his liver is coloured sickly?
I don't think he said anything about his liver.
The Fifth Doctor said his liver was very rich and tender.
All right PEter care for some whiskey?
What makes you think I'm Irish? I drink whisky (uisge), not whiskey
(uisce).

Slàinte mhor, a Dhàibhidh!
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2014-01-02 00:33:50 UTC
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Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his liver is coloured sickly?
I don't think he said anything about his liver.
The Fifth Doctor said his liver was very rich and tender.
All right PEter care for some whiskey?
What makes you think I'm Irish? I drink whisky (uisge), not whiskey
(uisce).
Slàinte mhor, a Dhàibhidh!
Whatever. Just tell me your favourite brand.
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On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 16:28:23 -0500, ~consul
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Post by Stephen Wilson
Post by pudentame
Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his liver is coloured sickly?
I don't think he said anything about his liver.
The Fifth Doctor said his liver was very rich and tender.
All right PEter care for some whiskey?
What makes you think I'm Irish? I drink whisky (uisge), not whiskey
(uisce).
Slàinte mhor, a Dhàibhidh!
Whatever. Just tell me your favourite brand.
http://www.themacallan.com/

But I drink single malt whisky only on very special occasions.

For example, Whenever a terrorist from the future tries to assassinate
me, I like to pause to appreciate a glass of Macallan after
temporarily disabling him with my Venusian aikido.

On ordinary days, I subsist on Grant's, Bell's and Teacher's, with
quite a lot of fizzy water added. I don't much care for Famous Grouse
or Whyte & Mackay, which are the other blends that tend to be sold in
supermarkets.
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The Doctor
2014-01-02 01:28:20 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 16:28:23 -0500, ~consul
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Post by Stephen Wilson
Post by pudentame
Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
I wonder if it is a scottish stereotype, that he drinks too much so his liver is coloured sickly?
I don't think he said anything about his liver.
The Fifth Doctor said his liver was very rich and tender.
All right PEter care for some whiskey?
What makes you think I'm Irish? I drink whisky (uisge), not whiskey
(uisce).
Slàinte mhor, a Dhàibhidh!
Whatever. Just tell me your favourite brand.
http://www.themacallan.com/
But I drink single malt whisky only on very special occasions.
For example, Whenever a terrorist from the future tries to assassinate
me, I like to pause to appreciate a glass of Macallan after
temporarily disabling him with my Venusian aikido.
On ordinary days, I subsist on Grant's, Bell's and Teacher's, with
quite a lot of fizzy water added. I don't much care for Famous Grouse
or Whyte & Mackay, which are the other blends that tend to be sold in
supermarkets.
MAcAllan is on its way.
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Peter J Ross
2013-12-29 16:37:48 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
Did Capaldi have any dialogue in the Xmas episode, or did he merely
appear as a face, like Tom at the end of Planet of the Spiders?
Obviously, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching mindless
garbage, but I might watch the last five minutes if there are clues to
how Capaldi is going to play the part.
I don't think it was as bad as some of the kvetching here would
indicate.
I thought the virtual nudity bit was a hoot.
Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
All these incidents are inferior copies of the early Pertwee scene in
which he discusses his new face. It became traditional when Tom did
something similar. Nowadays, the joke has worn thin for most viewers
and has to be ludicrously exaggerated in order to please the
fanwankers.
Post by Stephen Wilson
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
Even by Moffatt's standards, those lines are awful.

I've just watched the last four or five minutes, which consisted of
even more risible garbage than I was expecting. Congratulations on
being able to work out what Capaldi was saying despite the noise of
the "background" music. He didn't rescue the lines from being abysmal,
but it was a treat to see somebody who can act taking a central role
in New Who for the first time in a few years.

It's a shame Capaldi didn't immediately strangle the wooden bimbo and
collect Donna and Wilf to be his companions, but the prospect of
having more than one competent actor in New Who would have been
unbearably exciting.
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The Doctor
2013-12-29 22:33:06 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
Did Capaldi have any dialogue in the Xmas episode, or did he merely
appear as a face, like Tom at the end of Planet of the Spiders?
Obviously, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching mindless
garbage, but I might watch the last five minutes if there are clues to
how Capaldi is going to play the part.
I don't think it was as bad as some of the kvetching here would
indicate.
I thought the virtual nudity bit was a hoot.
Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
All these incidents are inferior copies of the early Pertwee scene in
which he discusses his new face. It became traditional when Tom did
something similar. Nowadays, the joke has worn thin for most viewers
and has to be ludicrously exaggerated in order to please the
fanwankers.
Post by Stephen Wilson
Or more specifically: "Kidneys! I've got new kidneys. I don't like the
colour." Followed by "We're probably crashing!" and "Just one question - do
you you happen to know how to fly this thing?"
Even by Moffatt's standards, those lines are awful.
I've just watched the last four or five minutes, which consisted of
even more risible garbage than I was expecting. Congratulations on
being able to work out what Capaldi was saying despite the noise of
the "background" music. He didn't rescue the lines from being abysmal,
but it was a treat to see somebody who can act taking a central role
in New Who for the first time in a few years.
It's a shame Capaldi didn't immediately strangle the wooden bimbo and
collect Donna and Wilf to be his companions, but the prospect of
having more than one competent actor in New Who would have been
unbearably exciting.
Wooden bimbo? Excuse me!!!
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The Doctor
2013-12-26 21:12:40 UTC
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Did Capaldi have any dialogue in the Xmas episode, or did he merely
appear as a face, like Tom at the end of Planet of the Spiders?
Obviously, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching mindless
garbage, but I might watch the last five minutes if there are clues to
how Capaldi is going to play the part.
I don't think it was as bad as some of the kvetching here would
indicate.
I thought the virtual nudity bit was a hoot.
Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
WEll I know Clara is Sexy but Coleman's husband might get in a rage.
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Brian
2013-12-27 07:02:49 UTC
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Did Capaldi have any dialogue in the Xmas episode, or did he merely
appear as a face, like Tom at the end of Planet of the Spiders?
He wanted to know how to operate the Tardis.
Post by pudentame
Post by Peter J Ross
Obviously, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching mindless
garbage, but I might watch the last five minutes if there are clues to
how Capaldi is going to play the part.
I don't think it was as bad as some of the kvetching here would
indicate.
I thought the virtual nudity bit was a hoot.
I missed it. Must remember to wear my virtual glasses next time (grin)
Post by pudentame
Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
--
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The Doctor
2013-12-27 15:25:01 UTC
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Did Capaldi have any dialogue in the Xmas episode, or did he merely
appear as a face, like Tom at the end of Planet of the Spiders?
He wanted to know how to operate the Tardis.
Post by pudentame
Post by Peter J Ross
Obviously, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching mindless
garbage, but I might watch the last five minutes if there are clues to
how Capaldi is going to play the part.
I don't think it was as bad as some of the kvetching here would
indicate.
I thought the virtual nudity bit was a hoot.
I missed it. Must remember to wear my virtual glasses next time (grin)
Good line!
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Post by pudentame
Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
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pudentame
2013-12-28 00:02:17 UTC
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Did Capaldi have any dialogue in the Xmas episode, or did he merely
appear as a face, like Tom at the end of Planet of the Spiders?
He wanted to know how to operate the Tardis.
Post by pudentame
Post by Peter J Ross
Obviously, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching mindless
garbage, but I might watch the last five minutes if there are clues to
how Capaldi is going to play the part.
I don't think it was as bad as some of the kvetching here would
indicate.
I thought the virtual nudity bit was a hoot.
I missed it. Must remember to wear my virtual glasses next time (grin)
When The Doctor shows up the first time without any clothes & does the
bit about holographic clothes projected directly onto Clara's visual
cortex, he forgets to adjust it so that Clara's family will also see
his clothes.

Granny seemed to be enjoying the view.
Post by Brian
Post by pudentame
Capaldi had a bit of dialogue - something about new kidneys being the
wrong color (similar to David Tenant's new teeth & still not a
ginger), and he asks Clara if she "knows how to fly this thing?"
Your Name
2013-12-28 00:45:17 UTC
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Did Capaldi have any dialogue in the Xmas episode, or did he merely
appear as a face, like Tom at the end of Planet of the Spiders?
He wanted to know how to operate the Tardis.
Post by pudentame
Post by Peter J Ross
Obviously, I'm not going to waste an hour of my life watching mindless
garbage, but I might watch the last five minutes if there are clues to
how Capaldi is going to play the part.
I don't think it was as bad as some of the kvetching here would
indicate.
I thought the virtual nudity bit was a hoot.
I missed it. Must remember to wear my virtual glasses next time (grin)
When The Doctor shows up the first time without any clothes & does the
bit about holographic clothes projected directly onto Clara's visual
cortex, he forgets to adjust it so that Clara's family will also see
his clothes.
Granny seemed to be enjoying the view.
The same actress is in the purile "Benidorm" so-called 'comedy', so she
probably would.
Brian
2013-12-26 13:45:24 UTC
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No Story
No Plot
No Characters
No River Song.
The Doctor whiles away his final incarnation on a planet where it's always
Christmas. And just like the 'festive season', it doesn't half drag.
After a cracking return to form with The Day of the Doctor it's no big
surprise that Moffat was running short of ideas. But this dreary pageant
of flying saucers, resurrected monsters, and Christmas cliches, has all
the hallmarks of a story so bogged down in it's own flea-bitten mythology
that it's doomed forever to recycle the same monotonous theme.
This time the Timelords are returning through Amy's Crack. And all the
powers of the UNIVERSE are gathered to forestall them. There's the odd
brief skirmish with Daleks Cybermen Sontarans Angels etc... but for the
most part we're subjected to interminable speeches on the meaning of it
all, until the humble Christmas hour really does begin to feel like Nine
Hundred Years, with as much intrigue and suspense as the heated over
remains of Christmas dinner on Boxing Day.
The conclusion to the siege, with the Doctor emitting death rays to
destroy his enemies (after the usual bragging about how fearsome he is),
was trite lazy, and insulting to the audience.
At least I was right about the Return of the Pond. And the Bean Counters
can endlessly debate about whether Capaldi is Doctor One of Two.
But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.
0/10
It seemed to me that they had certain characters they wanted to put into
the story such as the Daleks, Cybermen, etc and needed to create a story to
fit these characters into. Also they needed to stay the word "Christmas"
(as its shown on Christmas day in the UK) so they call the town Christmas
and add a scene of a family having Christmas dinner then later we see a
girl carrying a Christmas Turkey. So its a patched up job with a story
writer thinking of how to include certain characters and elements in the
story.
--
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Ignis Fatuus
2013-12-26 14:14:34 UTC
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No Story
No Plot
No Characters
No River Song.
The Doctor whiles away his final incarnation on a planet where it's always
Christmas. And just like the 'festive season', it doesn't half drag.
After a cracking return to form with The Day of the Doctor it's no big
surprise that Moffat was running short of ideas. But this dreary pageant
of flying saucers, resurrected monsters, and Christmas cliches, has all
the hallmarks of a story so bogged down in it's own flea-bitten mythology
that it's doomed forever to recycle the same monotonous theme.
This time the Timelords are returning through Amy's Crack. And all the
powers of the UNIVERSE are gathered to forestall them. There's the odd
brief skirmish with Daleks Cybermen Sontarans Angels etc... but for the
most part we're subjected to interminable speeches on the meaning of it
all, until the humble Christmas hour really does begin to feel like Nine
Hundred Years, with as much intrigue and suspense as the heated over
remains of Christmas dinner on Boxing Day.
The conclusion to the siege, with the Doctor emitting death rays to
destroy his enemies (after the usual bragging about how fearsome he is),
was trite lazy, and insulting to the audience.
At least I was right about the Return of the Pond. And the Bean Counters
can endlessly debate about whether Capaldi is Doctor One of Two.
But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.
0/10
It seemed to me that they had certain characters they wanted to put into
the story such as the Daleks, Cybermen, etc and needed to create a story to
fit these characters into. Also they needed to stay the word "Christmas"
(as its shown on Christmas day in the UK) so they call the town Christmas
and add a scene of a family having Christmas dinner then later we see a
girl carrying a Christmas Turkey. So its a patched up job with a story
writer thinking of how to include certain characters and elements in the
story.
Daleks aren't 'characters', they're mechanical props. Character in my
view, includes a touch of wit, personality, motivation, desire, ability,
ambition, pertinence, rapport and a touch of the unexpected. There was
more character in the Zarbi than that feeble assortment of leftovers.
Brian
2013-12-27 06:58:45 UTC
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No Story
No Plot
No Characters
No River Song.
The Doctor whiles away his final incarnation on a planet where it's always
Christmas. And just like the 'festive season', it doesn't half drag.
After a cracking return to form with The Day of the Doctor it's no big
surprise that Moffat was running short of ideas. But this dreary pageant
of flying saucers, resurrected monsters, and Christmas cliches, has all
the hallmarks of a story so bogged down in it's own flea-bitten mythology
that it's doomed forever to recycle the same monotonous theme.
This time the Timelords are returning through Amy's Crack. And all the
powers of the UNIVERSE are gathered to forestall them. There's the odd
brief skirmish with Daleks Cybermen Sontarans Angels etc... but for the
most part we're subjected to interminable speeches on the meaning of it
all, until the humble Christmas hour really does begin to feel like Nine
Hundred Years, with as much intrigue and suspense as the heated over
remains of Christmas dinner on Boxing Day.
The conclusion to the siege, with the Doctor emitting death rays to
destroy his enemies (after the usual bragging about how fearsome he is),
was trite lazy, and insulting to the audience.
At least I was right about the Return of the Pond. And the Bean Counters
can endlessly debate about whether Capaldi is Doctor One of Two.
But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.
0/10
It seemed to me that they had certain characters they wanted to put into
the story such as the Daleks, Cybermen, etc and needed to create a story to
fit these characters into. Also they needed to stay the word "Christmas"
(as its shown on Christmas day in the UK) so they call the town Christmas
and add a scene of a family having Christmas dinner then later we see a
girl carrying a Christmas Turkey. So its a patched up job with a story
writer thinking of how to include certain characters and elements in the
story.
Daleks aren't 'characters', they're mechanical props. Character in my
view, includes a touch of wit, personality, motivation, desire, ability,
ambition, pertinence, rapport and a touch of the unexpected. There was
more character in the Zarbi than that feeble assortment of leftovers.
Characters are
The combination of qualities or features that distinguishes one person,
group, or thing from another.
But I'll settle for Creature or in some cases Monster.
--
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The Doctor
2013-12-26 21:10:35 UTC
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Post by Ignis Fatuus
No Story
No Plot
No Characters
No River Song.
The Doctor whiles away his final incarnation on a planet where it's always
Christmas. And just like the 'festive season', it doesn't half drag.
After a cracking return to form with The Day of the Doctor it's no big
surprise that Moffat was running short of ideas. But this dreary pageant
of flying saucers, resurrected monsters, and Christmas cliches, has all
the hallmarks of a story so bogged down in it's own flea-bitten mythology
that it's doomed forever to recycle the same monotonous theme.
This time the Timelords are returning through Amy's Crack. And all the
powers of the UNIVERSE are gathered to forestall them. There's the odd
brief skirmish with Daleks Cybermen Sontarans Angels etc... but for the
most part we're subjected to interminable speeches on the meaning of it
all, until the humble Christmas hour really does begin to feel like Nine
Hundred Years, with as much intrigue and suspense as the heated over
remains of Christmas dinner on Boxing Day.
The conclusion to the siege, with the Doctor emitting death rays to
destroy his enemies (after the usual bragging about how fearsome he is),
was trite lazy, and insulting to the audience.
At least I was right about the Return of the Pond. And the Bean Counters
can endlessly debate about whether Capaldi is Doctor One of Two.
But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.
0/10
It seemed to me that they had certain characters they wanted to put into
the story such as the Daleks, Cybermen, etc and needed to create a story to
fit these characters into. Also they needed to stay the word "Christmas"
(as its shown on Christmas day in the UK) so they call the town Christmas
and add a scene of a family having Christmas dinner then later we see a
girl carrying a Christmas Turkey. So its a patched up job with a story
writer thinking of how to include certain characters and elements in the
story.
--
Regards Brian
Aveage on IMDB 8.9/10
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pudentame
2013-12-26 14:34:14 UTC
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Post by Ignis Fatuus
No Story
No Plot
No Characters
No River Song.
The Doctor whiles away his final incarnation on a planet where it's always
Christmas. And just like the 'festive season', it doesn't half drag.
After a cracking return to form with The Day of the Doctor it's no big
surprise that Moffat was running short of ideas. But this dreary pageant
of flying saucers, resurrected monsters, and Christmas cliches, has all
the hallmarks of a story so bogged down in it's own flea-bitten mythology
that it's doomed forever to recycle the same monotonous theme.
This time the Timelords are returning through Amy's Crack. And all the
powers of the UNIVERSE are gathered to forestall them. There's the odd
brief skirmish with Daleks Cybermen Sontarans Angels etc... but for the
most part we're subjected to interminable speeches on the meaning of it
all, until the humble Christmas hour really does begin to feel like Nine
Hundred Years, with as much intrigue and suspense as the heated over
remains of Christmas dinner on Boxing Day.
The conclusion to the siege, with the Doctor emitting death rays to
destroy his enemies (after the usual bragging about how fearsome he is),
was trite lazy, and insulting to the audience.
At least I was right about the Return of the Pond. And the Bean Counters
can endlessly debate about whether Capaldi is Doctor One of Two.
But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.
0/10
Doesn't look like I was far off in suggesting that the Timelords could
grant The Doctor a new regeneration cycle, a la The Master in "The
Five Doctors", if it suited their purposes.
The Doctor
2013-12-26 21:11:43 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 00:29:57 +0000, Ignis Fatuus
Post by Ignis Fatuus
No Story
No Plot
No Characters
No River Song.
The Doctor whiles away his final incarnation on a planet where it's always
Christmas. And just like the 'festive season', it doesn't half drag.
After a cracking return to form with The Day of the Doctor it's no big
surprise that Moffat was running short of ideas. But this dreary pageant
of flying saucers, resurrected monsters, and Christmas cliches, has all
the hallmarks of a story so bogged down in it's own flea-bitten mythology
that it's doomed forever to recycle the same monotonous theme.
This time the Timelords are returning through Amy's Crack. And all the
powers of the UNIVERSE are gathered to forestall them. There's the odd
brief skirmish with Daleks Cybermen Sontarans Angels etc... but for the
most part we're subjected to interminable speeches on the meaning of it
all, until the humble Christmas hour really does begin to feel like Nine
Hundred Years, with as much intrigue and suspense as the heated over
remains of Christmas dinner on Boxing Day.
The conclusion to the siege, with the Doctor emitting death rays to
destroy his enemies (after the usual bragging about how fearsome he is),
was trite lazy, and insulting to the audience.
At least I was right about the Return of the Pond. And the Bean Counters
can endlessly debate about whether Capaldi is Doctor One of Two.
But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.
0/10
Doesn't look like I was far off in suggesting that the Timelords could
grant The Doctor a new regeneration cycle, a la The Master in "The
Five Doctors", if it suited their purposes.
Considering their are in a pocket of a Universe.
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The Coca Cola Kid
2013-12-27 03:25:24 UTC
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No Story
No Plot
No Characters
I am afraid to say that I have to agree with most of your review. The only
real saving grace was the brief time that Peter Capaldi made an appearance
at the end. Despite the stupid dialogue about the colour of his kidneys, he
had a stronger presence and was more convincing as the Doctor than Smith did
during the entire episode, if not since the time that he started 'phoning it
in'.
I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not even
know about it. I look forward to hearing about the complaints from modern
day Mary Whitehouses about how it is damaging to children, and that they
might try to imitate this behaviour.
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No River Song.
Tasha Lem was, more or less, River Song.
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2013-12-27 03:56:34 UTC
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No Plot
No Characters
I am afraid to say that I have to agree with most of your review. The only
real saving grace was the brief time that Peter Capaldi made an appearance
at the end. Despite the stupid dialogue about the colour of his kidneys, he
had a stronger presence and was more convincing as the Doctor than Smith did
during the entire episode, if not since the time that he started 'phoning it
in'.
Smith did a better job of the tired, weary older Doctor than he did as himself in this episode - possibly because he got to play something slightly different. But yes, he seems to have been going through the motions for at least the last year (except for the anniversary special) - just rewatched The Almost People and he was much more believable in that.
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go on'.
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Post by Ignis Fatuus
No River Song.
Tasha Lem was, more or less, River Song.
The 'more or less' makes all the difference. As someone noted on one of these threads, it's Alex Kingston that makes River Song - a point exemplified by this character with pretty much a carbon copy of River Song's typical dialogue but none of the chemistry.
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No Plot
No Characters
I am afraid to say that I have to agree with most of your review. The only
real saving grace was the brief time that Peter Capaldi made an appearance
at the end. Despite the stupid dialogue about the colour of his kidneys, he
had a stronger presence and was more convincing as the Doctor than Smith did
during the entire episode, if not since the time that he started 'phoning it
in'.
Smith did a better job of the tired, weary older Doctor than he did as himself in this episode - possibly because he got to play something slightly different. But yes, he seems to have been going through the motions for at least the last year (except for the anniversary special) - just rewatched The Almost People and he was much more believable in that.
It was such a convincing imitation of David McCallum's 'Ducky' Mallard
that I can't help wondering if Smith's a big fan of NCIS.
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go on'.
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Post by Ignis Fatuus
No River Song.
Tasha Lem was, more or less, River Song.
The 'more or less' makes all the difference. As someone noted on one of these threads, it's Alex Kingston that makes River Song - a point exemplified by this character with pretty much a carbon copy of River Song's typical dialogue but none of the chemistry.
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2013-12-27 06:21:43 UTC
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the
naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a
feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been
done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less
tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally
juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go
on'.
I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the
naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how
many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did
not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a
feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been
done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less
tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally
juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go
on'.
I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
Except that there wasn't any reason for there to be a "naked church" except to set up that gag - if there had been a story reason it would have worked better.
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2013-12-27 08:21:24 UTC
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the
naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how
many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did
not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a
feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been
done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less
tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally
juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go
on'.
I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
Except that there wasn't any reason for there to be a "naked church" except to set up that gag - if there had been a story reason it would have worked better.
Reminds me of the nude wedding in STNG. Passing itself off as making a
point about 'openness' but really just an excuse for a bit of smutty
ogling.... and wasting a lot of time that could have been spent adding
some flesh to the bones of the story. Thirteen minutes out of sixty wasted
'setting the scene' before we even start getting to the point.
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the
naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how
many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did
not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a
feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been
done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less
tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally
juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go
on'.
I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
Except that there wasn't any reason for there to be a "naked church" except to set up that gag - if there had been a story reason it would have worked better.
Reminds me of the nude wedding in STNG. Passing itself off as making a
point about 'openness' but really just an excuse for a bit of smutty
ogling.... and wasting a lot of time that could have been spent adding
some flesh to the bones of the story. Thirteen minutes out of sixty wasted
'setting the scene' before we even start getting to the point.
Most TNG episodes are approximately 45 minutes wasted out of 45 (they aren't 60 minutes long - the rest is ads), so that may be progress.
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the
naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how
many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did
not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a
feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been
done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less
tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally
juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go
on'.
I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
Except that there wasn't any reason for there to be a "naked church" except to set up that gag - if there had been a story reason it would have worked better.
Reminds me of the nude wedding in STNG. Passing itself off as making a
point about 'openness' but really just an excuse for a bit of smutty
ogling.... and wasting a lot of time that could have been spent adding
some flesh to the bones of the story. Thirteen minutes out of sixty wasted
'setting the scene' before we even start getting to the point.
Most TNG episodes are approximately 45 minutes wasted out of 45 (they aren't 60 minutes long - the rest is ads), so that may be progress.
Er Yes... but I only mentioned TNG in passing as a point of comparison.
The rest was another rant about TTOTD. 60 Minutes duration, with a 13
minute preamble, plus tons of padding and repetition.

A lot of people just tuned in for the regeneration.
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The Doctor hit all the enemie and then ...
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The Doctor hit all the enemie and then ...
At least a few minutes passed between the Daleks realizing that the Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his regeneration beams. There was enough time to nuke the town!
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When the Daleks realize that the Doctor is regenerating, why don't they
immediately nuke Christmas town?
The Doctor hit all the enemie and then ...
At least a few minutes passed between the Daleks realizing that the
Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams. There was enough time to nuke the town!
Less than 1 sec.
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When the Daleks realize that the Doctor is regenerating, why don't they
immediately nuke Christmas town?
The Doctor hit all the enemie and then ...
At least a few minutes passed between the Daleks realizing that the
Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams. There was enough time to nuke the town!
Less than 1 sec.
DALEK [OC]: Emergency! Emergency! The Doctor is regenerating!
(The Tower clock strikes twelve. The Doctor is feeling more youthful already, although he doesn't look it.)
DALEK [OC]: The Doctor is regenerating!
DOCTOR: Oh, look at this. Regeneration number thirteen. We're breaking some serious science here, boys. I tell you what, it's going to be a whopper!
DALEK [OC]: Exterminate! Exterminate the Doctor.
DOCTOR: You think you can stop me now, Daleks? If you want my life, ha, ha, come and get it!
(The Doctor winds up his arm and fires a big stream of energy out from his hand.)

I believe that the about dialogue would have taken several tens of seconds.
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When the Daleks realize that the Doctor is regenerating, why don't they
immediately nuke Christmas town?
The Doctor hit all the enemie and then ...
At least a few minutes passed between the Daleks realizing that the
Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams. There was enough time to nuke the town!
Less than 1 sec.
DALEK [OC]: Emergency! Emergency! The Doctor is regenerating!
(The Tower clock strikes twelve. The Doctor is feeling more youthful
already, although he doesn't look it.)
DALEK [OC]: The Doctor is regenerating!
DOCTOR: Oh, look at this. Regeneration number thirteen. We're breaking
some serious science here, boys. I tell you what, it's going to be a
whopper!
DALEK [OC]: Exterminate! Exterminate the Doctor.
DOCTOR: You think you can stop me now, Daleks? If you want my life, ha, ha, come and get it!
(The Doctor winds up his arm and fires a big stream of energy out from his hand.)
I believe that the about dialogue would have taken several tens of seconds.
Thank you gallifrey.
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When the Daleks realize that the Doctor is regenerating, why don't they
immediately nuke Christmas town?
The Doctor hit all the enemie and then ...
At least a few minutes passed between the Daleks realizing that the
Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams. There was enough time to nuke the town!
Less than 1 sec.
DALEK [OC]: Emergency! Emergency! The Doctor is regenerating!
(The Tower clock strikes twelve. The Doctor is feeling more youthful
already, although he doesn't look it.)
DALEK [OC]: The Doctor is regenerating!
DOCTOR: Oh, look at this. Regeneration number thirteen. We're breaking
some serious science here, boys. I tell you what, it's going to be a
whopper!
DALEK [OC]: Exterminate! Exterminate the Doctor.
DOCTOR: You think you can stop me now, Daleks? If you want my life, ha,
ha, come and get it!
(The Doctor winds up his arm and fires a big stream of energy out from his hand.)
I believe that the about dialogue would have taken several tens of seconds.
Thank you gallifrey.
So the Daleks should have had time to fire nuclear missiles at Christmas!
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When the Daleks realize that the Doctor is regenerating, why don't they
immediately nuke Christmas town?
The Doctor hit all the enemie and then ...
At least a few minutes passed between the Daleks realizing that the
Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams. There was enough time to nuke the town!
Less than 1 sec.
DALEK [OC]: Emergency! Emergency! The Doctor is regenerating!
(The Tower clock strikes twelve. The Doctor is feeling more youthful
already, although he doesn't look it.)
DALEK [OC]: The Doctor is regenerating!
DOCTOR: Oh, look at this. Regeneration number thirteen. We're breaking
some serious science here, boys. I tell you what, it's going to be a
whopper!
DALEK [OC]: Exterminate! Exterminate the Doctor.
DOCTOR: You think you can stop me now, Daleks? If you want my life, ha,
ha, come and get it!
(The Doctor winds up his arm and fires a big stream of energy out from his hand.)
I believe that the about dialogue would have taken several tens of seconds.
Thank you gallifrey.
So the Daleks should have had time to fire nuclear missiles at Christmas!
no.
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When the Daleks realize that the Doctor is regenerating, why don't they
immediately nuke Christmas town?
The Doctor hit all the enemie and then ...
At least a few minutes passed between the Daleks realizing that the
Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams. There was enough time to nuke the town!
Less than 1 sec.
DALEK [OC]: Emergency! Emergency! The Doctor is regenerating!
(The Tower clock strikes twelve. The Doctor is feeling more youthful
already, although he doesn't look it.)
DALEK [OC]: The Doctor is regenerating!
DOCTOR: Oh, look at this. Regeneration number thirteen. We're breaking
some serious science here, boys. I tell you what, it's going to be a
whopper!
DALEK [OC]: Exterminate! Exterminate the Doctor.
DOCTOR: You think you can stop me now, Daleks? If you want my life, ha,
ha, come and get it!
(The Doctor winds up his arm and fires a big stream of energy out from his hand.)
I believe that the about dialogue would have taken several tens of seconds.
Thank you gallifrey.
So the Daleks should have had time to fire nuclear missiles at Christmas!
no.
It would take over a minute to launch the nukes?
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immediately nuke Christmas town?
The Doctor hit all the enemie and then ...
At least a few minutes passed between the Daleks realizing that the
Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams. There was enough time to nuke the town!
Less than 1 sec.
DALEK [OC]: Emergency! Emergency! The Doctor is regenerating!
(The Tower clock strikes twelve. The Doctor is feeling more youthful
already, although he doesn't look it.)
DALEK [OC]: The Doctor is regenerating!
DOCTOR: Oh, look at this. Regeneration number thirteen. We're breaking
some serious science here, boys. I tell you what, it's going to be a
whopper!
DALEK [OC]: Exterminate! Exterminate the Doctor.
DOCTOR: You think you can stop me now, Daleks? If you want my life, ha,
ha, come and get it!
(The Doctor winds up his arm and fires a big stream of energy out from his hand.)
I believe that the about dialogue would have taken several tens of
seconds.
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Thank you gallifrey.
So the Daleks should have had time to fire nuclear missiles at Christmas!
no.
It would take over a minute to launch the nukes?
Well guess what happened during the start of cycle 2?
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immediately nuke Christmas town?
The Doctor hit all the enemie and then ...
At least a few minutes passed between the Daleks realizing that the
Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams. There was enough time to nuke the town!
Less than 1 sec.
DALEK [OC]: Emergency! Emergency! The Doctor is regenerating!
(The Tower clock strikes twelve. The Doctor is feeling more youthful
already, although he doesn't look it.)
DALEK [OC]: The Doctor is regenerating!
DOCTOR: Oh, look at this. Regeneration number thirteen. We're breaking
some serious science here, boys. I tell you what, it's going to be a
whopper!
DALEK [OC]: Exterminate! Exterminate the Doctor.
DOCTOR: You think you can stop me now, Daleks? If you want my life, ha,
ha, come and get it!
(The Doctor winds up his arm and fires a big stream of energy out from
his hand.)
I believe that the about dialogue would have taken several tens of
seconds.
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Thank you gallifrey.
So the Daleks should have had time to fire nuclear missiles at Christmas!
no.
It would take over a minute to launch the nukes?
Well guess what happened during the start of cycle 2?
About 10 lines of dialogue elapsed between the Daleks detecting the start of the Doctor's regeneration & the Doctor opening fire with his regeneration beams of mass destruction. That would have given the Daleks time to press the buttons to launch their nuclear missiles!
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immediately nuke Christmas town?
The Doctor hit all the enemie and then ...
At least a few minutes passed between the Daleks realizing that the
Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams. There was enough time to nuke the town!
Less than 1 sec.
DALEK [OC]: Emergency! Emergency! The Doctor is regenerating!
(The Tower clock strikes twelve. The Doctor is feeling more youthful
already, although he doesn't look it.)
DALEK [OC]: The Doctor is regenerating!
DOCTOR: Oh, look at this. Regeneration number thirteen. We're breaking
some serious science here, boys. I tell you what, it's going to be a
whopper!
DALEK [OC]: Exterminate! Exterminate the Doctor.
DOCTOR: You think you can stop me now, Daleks? If you want my life, ha,
ha, come and get it!
(The Doctor winds up his arm and fires a big stream of energy out from
his hand.)
I believe that the about dialogue would have taken several tens of
seconds.
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Thank you gallifrey.
So the Daleks should have had time to fire nuclear missiles at Christmas!
no.
It would take over a minute to launch the nukes?
Well guess what happened during the start of cycle 2?
About 10 lines of dialogue elapsed between the Daleks detecting the
start of the Doctor's regeneration & the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams of mass destruction. That would have given the
Daleks time to press the buttons to launch their nuclear missiles!
And everything gets blasted by the volcanic regeneration.
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immediately nuke Christmas town?
The Doctor hit all the enemie and then ...
At least a few minutes passed between the Daleks realizing that the
Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams. There was enough time to nuke the town!
Less than 1 sec.
DALEK [OC]: Emergency! Emergency! The Doctor is regenerating!
(The Tower clock strikes twelve. The Doctor is feeling more youthful
already, although he doesn't look it.)
DALEK [OC]: The Doctor is regenerating!
DOCTOR: Oh, look at this. Regeneration number thirteen. We're breaking
some serious science here, boys. I tell you what, it's going to be a
whopper!
DALEK [OC]: Exterminate! Exterminate the Doctor.
DOCTOR: You think you can stop me now, Daleks? If you want my life, ha,
ha, come and get it!
(The Doctor winds up his arm and fires a big stream of energy out from
his hand.)
I believe that the about dialogue would have taken several tens of
seconds.
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Thank you gallifrey.
So the Daleks should have had time to fire nuclear missiles at Christmas!
no.
It would take over a minute to launch the nukes?
Well guess what happened during the start of cycle 2?
About 10 lines of dialogue elapsed between the Daleks detecting the
start of the Doctor's regeneration & the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams of mass destruction. That would have given the
Daleks time to press the buttons to launch their nuclear missiles!
And everything gets blasted by the volcanic regeneration.
I figure that nuclear missiles might have time to reach the Doctor before he regenerates.
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Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams. There was enough time to nuke the town!
Less than 1 sec.
DALEK [OC]: Emergency! Emergency! The Doctor is regenerating!
(The Tower clock strikes twelve. The Doctor is feeling more youthful
already, although he doesn't look it.)
DALEK [OC]: The Doctor is regenerating!
DOCTOR: Oh, look at this. Regeneration number thirteen.
We're breaking
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some serious science here, boys. I tell you what, it's going to be a
whopper!
DALEK [OC]: Exterminate! Exterminate the Doctor.
DOCTOR: You think you can stop me now, Daleks? If you want
my life, ha,
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ha, come and get it!
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his hand.)
I believe that the about dialogue would have taken several tens of
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So the Daleks should have had time to fire nuclear missiles at
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no.
It would take over a minute to launch the nukes?
Well guess what happened during the start of cycle 2?
About 10 lines of dialogue elapsed between the Daleks detecting the
start of the Doctor's regeneration & the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams of mass destruction. That would have given the
Daleks time to press the buttons to launch their nuclear missiles!
And everything gets blasted by the volcanic regeneration.
I figure that nuclear missiles might have time to reach the Doctor before he regenerates.
Or the regen energy nukes the nukes.
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immediately nuke Christmas town?
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Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams. There was enough time to nuke the town!
Less than 1 sec.
DALEK [OC]: Emergency! Emergency! The Doctor is regenerating!
(The Tower clock strikes twelve. The Doctor is feeling more youthful
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DALEK [OC]: The Doctor is regenerating!
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We're breaking
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some serious science here, boys. I tell you what, it's going to be a
whopper!
DALEK [OC]: Exterminate! Exterminate the Doctor.
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my life, ha,
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ha, come and get it!
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his hand.)
I believe that the about dialogue would have taken several tens of
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So the Daleks should have had time to fire nuclear missiles at
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no.
It would take over a minute to launch the nukes?
Well guess what happened during the start of cycle 2?
About 10 lines of dialogue elapsed between the Daleks detecting the
start of the Doctor's regeneration & the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams of mass destruction. That would have given the
Daleks time to press the buttons to launch their nuclear missiles!
And everything gets blasted by the volcanic regeneration.
I figure that nuclear missiles might have time to reach the Doctor before he regenerates.
Or the regen energy nukes the nukes.
Making nukes explode?
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immediately nuke Christmas town?
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Doctor was regenerating, and the Doctor opening fire with his
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Less than 1 sec.
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already, although he doesn't look it.)
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We're breaking
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whopper!
DALEK [OC]: Exterminate! Exterminate the Doctor.
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my life, ha,
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his hand.)
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Thank you gallifrey.
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no.
It would take over a minute to launch the nukes?
Well guess what happened during the start of cycle 2?
About 10 lines of dialogue elapsed between the Daleks detecting the
start of the Doctor's regeneration & the Doctor opening fire with his
regeneration beams of mass destruction. That would have given the
Daleks time to press the buttons to launch their nuclear missiles!
And everything gets blasted by the volcanic regeneration.
I figure that nuclear missiles might have time to reach the Doctor
before he regenerates.
Or the regen energy nukes the nukes.
Making nukes explode?
And non-nuclear.
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the
naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how
many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did
not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a
feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been
done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less
tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally
juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go
on'.
I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
Except that there wasn't any reason for there to be a "naked church"
except to set up that gag - if there had been a story reason it would have worked better.
Naked church...now thats original.
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2013-12-27 20:59:38 UTC
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Naked church...now thats original.
Not really ... Google "priest sexual abuse child" and you'll find a
massive number of examples just within your own silly religion.
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: Not really ... Google "priest sexual abuse child" and you'll find a
: massive number of examples just within your own silly religion.

And those priests are NT Christan.
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Except that there wasn't any reason for there to be a "naked church"
except to set up that gag - if there had been a story reason it would have
worked better.
Naked church...now thats original.
Since all the church officials were clothed it looked more like a power play:
leave the supplicant naked, exposed, defenceless as indeed Clara felt. That
could've been used to start a political discussion. Instead it was used for a
joke that fell flat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Detective_(1968_film) has a nude scene as one
of many techniques to get a man to make a confession that leads to his execution.
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Except that there wasn't any reason for there to be a "naked church"
except to set up that gag - if there had been a story reason it would have
worked better.
Naked church...now thats original.
leave the supplicant naked, exposed, defenceless as indeed Clara felt. That
could've been used to start a political discussion. Instead it was used for a
joke that fell flat.
There was some silly line from the priestess about not needing a
sacrifice ... presumably if they hadn't been "naked" then one or both
would have had to be sacrificed.

I guess there is a possibilty that the visitors being naked is also
meant to prove they have no weapons and / or their "cleaness" or
"purity" to be allowed into the chruch's sacred grounds.
pudentame
2013-12-28 23:02:38 UTC
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Except that there wasn't any reason for there to be a "naked church"
except to set up that gag - if there had been a story reason it would have
worked better.
Naked church...now thats original.
leave the supplicant naked, exposed, defenceless as indeed Clara felt. That
could've been used to start a political discussion. Instead it was used for a
joke that fell flat.
If I understood the bit all of the church people were also supposed to
be wearing "holographic clothing".
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Detective_(1968_film) has a nude scene as one
of many techniques to get a man to make a confession that leads to his execution.
Interesting, because that film is essentially a "prequal" for the Die
Hard film franchise. But I really don't see the relevance of it having
a nude scene to "The Time of the Doctor".
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2013-12-28 23:25:59 UTC
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Detective_(1968_film) has a nude scene as
one of many techniques to get a man to make a confession that leads to his
execution.
Interesting, because that film is essentially a "prequal" for the Die
Hard film franchise. But I really don't see the relevance of it having
a nude scene to "The Time of the Doctor".
Well, I suppose Moffat wrestling naked with Matt Smith in front of a
romantic log fire like Oliver Reed and Alan Bates has gone flying out the
window now the golden boy has moved on...

Just sayin' what everyone was thinking.
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the
naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how
many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did
not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a
feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been
done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less
tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally
juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go
on'.
I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
Except that there wasn't any reason for there to be a "naked church"
except to set up that gag - if there had been a story reason it would have worked better.
Naked church...now thats original.
Wouldn't surprise me if it was some sort of "tip of the hat" to
Douglas Adams.
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2013-12-27 07:24:03 UTC
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a
feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been
done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less
tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally
juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go
on'.
I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
I could be wrong but at some stage it was suggested that Clara was naked. I
think it was just before she shallowed something to prevent her was being
naked...if I've got it right.
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2013-12-28 00:32:37 UTC
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a
feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been
done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less
tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally
juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go
on'.
I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
I could be wrong but at some stage it was suggested that Clara was naked. I
think it was just before she shallowed something to prevent her was being
naked...if I've got it right.
The Doctor makes her swallow a hologram projector before they go into
the Papal Mainframe for the first time. It's that yellow sweater/black
leather miniskirt outfit.

The hologram shell is also supposed to 'kick in" to keep her warm when
the heat loss builds up.

When the weeping angle grabs Clara's ankle & The Doctor asks if she
can get her foot loose, she says she has to get out of her shoe. The
Doctor tells her "You're not wearing any shoes."

The Doctor summons the TARDIS to surround them when they're escaping
the weeping angels, you'll notice they've changed outfits when they
come out in Christmas Town.

Clara says it's good to be wearing clothes again & for the rest of the
episode she has on the outfit she was wearing for Christmas dinner.
The Doctor
2013-12-28 01:31:22 UTC
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a
feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been
done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less
tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally
juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go
on'.
I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
I could be wrong but at some stage it was suggested that Clara was naked. I
think it was just before she shallowed something to prevent her was being
naked...if I've got it right.
The Doctor makes her swallow a hologram projector before they go into
the Papal Mainframe for the first time. It's that yellow sweater/black
leather miniskirt outfit.
The hologram shell is also supposed to 'kick in" to keep her warm when
the heat loss builds up.
When the weeping angle grabs Clara's ankle & The Doctor asks if she
can get her foot loose, she says she has to get out of her shoe. The
Doctor tells her "You're not wearing any shoes."
The Doctor summons the TARDIS to surround them when they're escaping
the weeping angels, you'll notice they've changed outfits when they
come out in Christmas Town.
Clara says it's good to be wearing clothes again & for the rest of the
episode she has on the outfit she was wearing for Christmas dinner.
Still a clear shot at Roman Catholicism.
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2013-12-28 16:06:23 UTC
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a
feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been
done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less
tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally
juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go
on'.
I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
I could be wrong but at some stage it was suggested that Clara was naked. I
think it was just before she shallowed something to prevent her was being
naked...if I've got it right.
The Doctor makes her swallow a hologram projector before they go into
the Papal Mainframe for the first time. It's that yellow sweater/black
leather miniskirt outfit.
The hologram shell is also supposed to 'kick in" to keep her warm when
the heat loss builds up.
When the weeping angle grabs Clara's ankle & The Doctor asks if she
can get her foot loose, she says she has to get out of her shoe. The
Doctor tells her "You're not wearing any shoes."
The Doctor summons the TARDIS to surround them when they're escaping
the weeping angels, you'll notice they've changed outfits when they
come out in Christmas Town.
Clara says it's good to be wearing clothes again & for the rest of the
episode she has on the outfit she was wearing for Christmas dinner.
Good spotting pudentame.
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a
feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been
done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less
tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally
juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go
on'.
I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
Psychic cortexes for you.
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2013-12-28 00:11:35 UTC
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not even
know about it.
As done it seemed gratuitous, mostly because it wasn't given a
feasible opening. It's an example of something that might have been
done amusingly, but fell flat. Of course it might have been less
tiresome if the subsequent episode hadn't been filled with equally
juvenile innuendos; an unfortunate case of 'start as you mean to go
on'.
I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
I think that was the joke; that he forgot that he would have to adjust
the holographic clothes for the others to see them.

I get that the man was supposed to be her father & the old lady was
her grandmother (apparently her father's mother), but I don't know who
"Linda" was supposed to be? Friend? Aunt? Wicked step-mother?
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2013-12-28 00:44:22 UTC
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I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
I think that was the joke; that he forgot that he would have to adjust
the holographic clothes for the others to see them.
I get that the man was supposed to be her father & the old lady was
her grandmother (apparently her father's mother), but I don't know who
"Linda" was supposed to be? Friend? Aunt? Wicked step-mother?
I thought it was Clara's mother, but there wasn't any statement to say
exactly who she was.
pudentame
2013-12-28 23:43:20 UTC
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I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
I think that was the joke; that he forgot that he would have to adjust
the holographic clothes for the others to see them.
I get that the man was supposed to be her father & the old lady was
her grandmother (apparently her father's mother), but I don't know who
"Linda" was supposed to be? Friend? Aunt? Wicked step-mother?
I thought it was Clara's mother, but there wasn't any statement to say
exactly who she was.
Clara's mother died when she was a teenager. It's shown at the
beginning of "The Rings of Akahten" when The Doctor's tracking her
life through that book trying to figure out who she is.
Your Name
2013-12-28 23:57:29 UTC
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I could have accepted that Clara would walk in on the Doctor while he
was planning to go to naked church. It's a big universe, so it's
reasonable to think that there'd be at least one or two naked churches
around. It's also plausible that Clara might be embarrassed and
uncomfortable with naked Doctor, though from what little character she's
been given up to this point, she never struck me as the type to be
flustered by that. However, they lost me when he didn't put anything on
to meet Clara's family. He's been on earth anywhere from 50-1200 years,
so he really should be aware that when you meet a girl's parents on 21st
century Earth, it's expected that you'll be wearing pants at the very least.
I think that was the joke; that he forgot that he would have to adjust
the holographic clothes for the others to see them.
I get that the man was supposed to be her father & the old lady was
her grandmother (apparently her father's mother), but I don't know who
"Linda" was supposed to be? Friend? Aunt? Wicked step-mother?
I thought it was Clara's mother, but there wasn't any statement to say
exactly who she was.
Clara's mother died when she was a teenager. It's shown at the
beginning of "The Rings of Akahten" when The Doctor's tracking her
life through that book trying to figure out who she is.
According to this fan-fiction story, Linda is Clara's aunt (on the
father's side of the family), but I can't find anything actually
official that confirms it.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9962174/1/The-Star-Filled-Waters



As an aside, the actresses who play Clara's grandmother and
(possible)aunt have both appeared in the Doctor Who franchise before.
The grandmother played Etta in the Sixth Doctor adventure "Vengeance of
Varos" and the 'aunt' played Ellen in The Sraha Jane Adventures
two-part story "Lost in Time".
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Post by Ignis Fatuus
No Story
No Plot
No Characters
I am afraid to say that I have to agree with most of your review. The only
real saving grace was the brief time that Peter Capaldi made an appearance
at the end. Despite the stupid dialogue about the colour of his kidneys, he
had a stronger presence and was more convincing as the Doctor than Smith did
during the entire episode, if not since the time that he started 'phoning it
in'.
I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not even
know about it. I look forward to hearing about the complaints from modern
day Mary Whitehouses about how it is damaging to children, and that they
might try to imitate this behaviour.
I thought it was all mildly offensive, smutty tedious and pointless. Ditto
all the religious gags. Moffat in scattergun mode having a poke at
conventions without the satirical wit that 'might' have raised a smile. He
did the same for Sherlock at Buck House in 'Scandal In Belgravia', but the
joke had a context in the personal animosity of the Holmes Brothers, and
the waspish dialogue between Gatiss and Cumberbatch made it brilliantly
funny. I can't help thinking that Gatiss wrote (or suggested) the dialogue
for some of the scenes. It just was way out of Moffat's class.
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
Post by Ignis Fatuus
No River Song.
Tasha Lem was, more or less, River Song.
Less. Alex Kingston has the seductive charm and an aura of wickedness that
makes her far more interesting than Mother Superior. Leather and Whips
might have helped... but what about those stupid eye stalks? It was all
done for effect without any attempt at narrative. River's mysterious
insights could at least have helped build some dramatic tension. Instead
all we got was a series of doom laden prophesies leading up to a doom
laden finale, and the cheapest laziest conclusion in the history of the
show.

(-10)/10 for effort.
Brian
2013-12-27 07:24:05 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 21:25:24 -0600, "The Coca Cola Kid"
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
Post by Ignis Fatuus
No Story
No Plot
No Characters
I am afraid to say that I have to agree with most of your review. The only
real saving grace was the brief time that Peter Capaldi made an appearance
at the end. Despite the stupid dialogue about the colour of his kidneys, he
had a stronger presence and was more convincing as the Doctor than Smith did
during the entire episode, if not since the time that he started 'phoning it
in'.
I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not even
know about it. I look forward to hearing about the complaints from modern
day Mary Whitehouses about how it is damaging to children, and that they
might try to imitate this behaviour.
I thought it was all mildly offensive, smutty tedious and pointless. Ditto
all the religious gags. Moffat in scattergun mode having a poke at
conventions without the satirical wit that 'might' have raised a smile. He
did the same for Sherlock at Buck House in 'Scandal In Belgravia', but the
joke had a context in the personal animosity of the Holmes Brothers, and
the waspish dialogue between Gatiss and Cumberbatch made it brilliantly
funny. I can't help thinking that Gatiss wrote (or suggested) the dialogue
for some of the scenes. It just was way out of Moffat's class.
It seems to me a case of 'Hey we have never done that before so lets do
it'. Hence a naked partly hidden Doctor for the first time.
Post by Ignis Fatuus
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
Post by Ignis Fatuus
No River Song.
Tasha Lem was, more or less, River Song.
Less. Alex Kingston has the seductive charm and an aura of wickedness that
makes her far more interesting than Mother Superior. Leather and Whips
might have helped... but what about those stupid eye stalks? It was all
done for effect without any attempt at narrative. River's mysterious
insights could at least have helped build some dramatic tension. Instead
all we got was a series of doom laden prophesies leading up to a doom
laden finale, and the cheapest laziest conclusion in the history of the
show.
(-10)/10 for effort.
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Brian
2013-12-27 07:14:39 UTC
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Post by Ignis Fatuus
No Story
No Plot
No Characters
I am afraid to say that I have to agree with most of your review. The
only real saving grace was the brief time that Peter Capaldi made an
appearance at the end. Despite the stupid dialogue about the colour of
his kidneys, he had a stronger presence and was more convincing as the
Doctor than Smith did during the entire episode, if not since the time
that he started 'phoning it in'.
I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not
even know about it. I look forward to hearing about the complaints from
modern day Mary Whitehouses about how it is damaging to children, and
that they might try to imitate this behaviour.
I have a feeling that the topless doctor was for all the female fans of
Doctor Who.
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
Post by Ignis Fatuus
No River Song.
Tasha Lem was, more or less, River Song.
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BlackMonk
2013-12-27 16:18:50 UTC
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I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not
even know about it. I look forward to hearing about the complaints from
modern day Mary Whitehouses about how it is damaging to children, and
that they might try to imitate this behaviour.
I have a feeling that the topless doctor was for all the female fans of
Doctor Who.
Fair enough. Why should the male fans get all the eye candy?
The Doctor
2013-12-27 21:58:49 UTC
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BlackMonk <***@msn.com> wrote:
: On 12/27/2013 2:14 AM, Brian wrote:
: > "The Coca Cola Kid"<***@gmail.com> wrote:

: >> I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
: >> gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
: >> other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not
: >> even know about it. I look forward to hearing about the complaints from
: >> modern day Mary Whitehouses about how it is damaging to children, and
: >> that they might try to imitate this behaviour.
: >
: > I have a feeling that the topless doctor was for all the female fans of
: > Doctor Who.
: >>

: Fair enough. Why should the male fans get all the eye candy?

So how many ladies when right on on that scene?
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2013-12-29 17:28:51 UTC
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I have a feeling that the topless doctor was for all the female fans of
Doctor Who.
I have a hard time believing that many (much less all) fans of either gender
see Matt Smith as a sex symbol. I believe that it was just intended for
comedic effect, although it does highlight the hypocrisy when it comes to
displaying male versus female nudity (or even partial nudity) on screen.
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2013-12-29 20:29:48 UTC
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Post by Brian
I have a feeling that the topless doctor was for all the female fans of
Doctor Who.
I have a hard time believing that many (much less all) fans of either gender
see Matt Smith as a sex symbol.
Well, you're wrong - apparently dweeb is the new fad (or at least was
in 2012).
http://www.list.co.uk/article/24938-sex-symbol-matt-smith/
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2012/jul/27/unlikely-male-sex-symbols
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
I believe that it was just intended for comedic effect, although it does
highlight the hypocrisy when it comes to displaying male versus female
nudity (or even partial nudity) on screen.
All you really saw was a bare male chest, which is not even remotely
considered "nudity" in most countries these days.
The Coca Cola Kid
2013-12-30 04:06:16 UTC
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Well, you're wrong - apparently dweeb is the new fad (or at least was in
2012).
A couple of web sites, on the internet, proclaiming it to be so does not
translate into it necessarily being true for many (much less 'all') female
fans. Contrary to many sci-fi nerds' fantasies, most women do not find
lanky dweebs to be attractive.
All you really saw was a bare male chest, which is not even remotely
considered "nudity" in most countries these days.
If it were a bare female chest, it would most certainly be considered
'nudity', in most countries, these days. Even that aside, it was fine for
them to show everything from the waist up and the lower thighs down for
Matt, with T.A.R.D.I.S. console obscuring the rest, but for some reason it
was 'inappropriate' for Jenna to show some skin (outside of the censorable
areas) to demonstrate her character's nudity.
Siri Cruz
2013-12-30 04:38:26 UTC
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Well, you're wrong - apparently dweeb is the new fad (or at least was in
2012).
A couple of web sites, on the internet, proclaiming it to be so does not
translate into it necessarily being true for many (much less 'all') female
fans. Contrary to many sci-fi nerds' fantasies, most women do not find
lanky dweebs to be attractive.
All you really saw was a bare male chest, which is not even remotely
considered "nudity" in most countries these days.
If it were a bare female chest, it would most certainly be considered
'nudity', in most countries, these days. Even that aside, it was fine for
them to show everything from the waist up and the lower thighs down for
Matt, with T.A.R.D.I.S. console obscuring the rest, but for some reason it
was 'inappropriate' for Jenna to show some skin (outside of the censorable
areas) to demonstrate her character's nudity.
At least they didn't need a bathing machine.

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Which is constantly carries about,
And believes that they add to the beauty of scenes‹
A sentiment open to doubt.
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2013-12-30 05:17:19 UTC
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Well, you're wrong - apparently dweeb is the new fad (or at least was in
2012).
A couple of web sites, on the internet, proclaiming it to be so does not
translate into it necessarily being true for many (much less 'all') female
fans. Contrary to many sci-fi nerds' fantasies, most women do not find
lanky dweebs to be attractive.
It wasn't "a couple of web sites" ... it was apparently a magazine poll
(or polls?) voted by the readers. Obviously only a silly poll with a
subset of people voting, but it was still the public who voted, so yes,
apparently enough women did vote for the "lanky dweebs" to put them at
the top of the list.
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
All you really saw was a bare male chest, which is not even remotely
considered "nudity" in most countries these days.
If it were a bare female chest, it would most certainly be considered
'nudity', in most countries, these days.
Matt Smith is a male. I purposely said male.
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
Even that aside, it was fine for them to show everything from the waist
up and the lower thighs down for Matt, with T.A.R.D.I.S. console
obscuring the rest, but for some reason it was 'inappropriate' for
Jenna to show some skin (outside of the censorable areas) to
demonstrate her character's nudity.
She wasn't actually naked. She was using a projection to make the
Church officials think she was.
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2013-12-31 03:21:47 UTC
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It wasn't "a couple of web sites" ... it was apparently a magazine poll
(or polls?) voted by the readers.
I did not see anything about a magazine poll, or polls, in either of the two
web articles to which you linked, so I have no idea to what you are
alluding.
Post by Your Name
Obviously only a silly poll with a subset of people voting, but it was
still the public who voted, so yes,
apparently enough women did vote for the "lanky dweebs" to put them at the
top of the list.
How was this poll conducted? What was the sample size? What were the other
choices, if any? Until I see compelling evidence to the contrary, I shall
remain confident that I am not 'wrong' in my perceptions of what most women
find attractive, nor in my refutation of the original point referring to
'all' female fans, in spite of what some 'silly' magazine polls said.
Post by Your Name
Matt Smith is a male. I purposely said male.
Yes, I caught that. I purposely alluded to the cultural hypocrisy when it
comes to male and female 'nudity'.
Post by Your Name
She wasn't actually naked. She was using a projection to make the
Church officials think she was.
????
Er, no. The church officials could see through holograms. The
projection was of her clothes, mostly for her own benefit. Later, when the
weeping angel grabbed her foot, the Doctor had to remind her that she was
not wearing shoes.
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2013-12-31 04:50:01 UTC
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Yes, I caught that. I purposely alluded to the cultural hypocrisy when it
comes to male and female 'nudity'.
On the other hand brief female full frontal nudity can get past MPAA far easier
than any male full frontal nudity.
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2013-12-31 14:53:51 UTC
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Yes, I caught that. I purposely alluded to the cultural hypocrisy when it
comes to male and female 'nudity'.
On the other hand brief female full frontal nudity can get past MPAA far easier
than any male full frontal nudity.
What use to be banned in the past is becoming more accepted these days as
long as nakedness does not dominate the scene.
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Yes, I caught that. I purposely alluded to the cultural hypocrisy when it
comes to male and female 'nudity'.
On the other hand brief female full frontal nudity can get past MPAA far easier
than any male full frontal nudity.
REcall what film Robin Williams is naked in Central Park New York?
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Yes, I caught that. I purposely alluded to the cultural hypocrisy when it
comes to male and female 'nudity'.
On the other hand brief female full frontal nudity can get past MPAA far easier
than any male full frontal nudity.
REcall what film Robin Williams is naked in Central Park New York?
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The movie was the Fisher King. It's bit unrealistic as nobody lies naked in
New York park...but its been a while since I've seen the movie so maybe
there was a good reason for his nakedness.
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Post by The Doctor
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
Yes, I caught that. I purposely alluded to the cultural hypocrisy when it
comes to male and female 'nudity'.
On the other hand brief female full frontal nudity can get past MPAA far easier
than any male full frontal nudity.
REcall what film Robin Williams is naked in Central Park New York?
Is your New Year's Resolution to /come out/, David?
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In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:23:13 +0000 (UTC), The Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
Yes, I caught that. I purposely alluded to the cultural hypocrisy when it
comes to male and female 'nudity'.
On the other hand brief female full frontal nudity can get past MPAA far easier
than any male full frontal nudity.
REcall what film Robin Williams is naked in Central Park New York?
Is your New Year's Resolution to /come out/, David?
0/10 PJR.
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Post by Your Name
It wasn't "a couple of web sites" ... it was apparently a magazine poll
(or polls?) voted by the readers.
I did not see anything about a magazine poll, or polls, in either of the
two web articles to which you linked, so I have no idea to what you are alluding.
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Obviously only a silly poll with a subset of people voting, but it was
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still the public who voted, so yes,
apparently enough women did vote for the "lanky dweebs" to put them at
the >top of the list.
How was this poll conducted? What was the sample size? What were the
other choices, if any? Until I see compelling evidence to the contrary, I
shall remain confident that I am not 'wrong' in my perceptions of what
most women find attractive, nor in my refutation of the original point
referring to 'all' female fans, in spite of what some 'silly' magazine polls said.
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Matt Smith is a male. I purposely said male.
Yes, I caught that. I purposely alluded to the cultural hypocrisy when
it comes to male and female 'nudity'.
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She wasn't actually naked. She was using a projection to make the
Church officials think she was.
????
Er, no. The church officials could see through holograms. The
projection was of her clothes, mostly for her own benefit. Later, when
the weeping angel grabbed her foot, the Doctor had to remind her that she
was not wearing shoes.
Now without saying much I know what would push up the ratings (grin).
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2013-12-30 23:29:01 UTC
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Well, you're wrong - apparently dweeb is the new fad (or at least was in
2012).
A couple of web sites, on the internet, proclaiming it to be so does not
translate into it necessarily being true for many (much less 'all') female
fans. Contrary to many sci-fi nerds' fantasies, most women do not find
lanky dweebs to be attractive.
All you really saw was a bare male chest, which is not even remotely
considered "nudity" in most countries these days.
If it were a bare female chest, it would most certainly be considered
'nudity', in most countries, these days. Even that aside, it was fine for
them to show everything from the waist up and the lower thighs down for
Matt, with T.A.R.D.I.S. console obscuring the rest, but for some reason it
was 'inappropriate' for Jenna to show some skin (outside of the censorable
areas) to demonstrate her character's nudity.
I didn't want to start an attention seeky topic so short of anywhere else to
shoehorn them in here's links to two articles which cover erasure and
cliffhangers. IMHO, if people can get past the gender politics and culture
issues there's a lot in both on perspective and quality. (There's a glut of
other articles I'd like to link to and a review of Robert Redford's 'All is
Lost' to add balance but felt this was OTT.)

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/30/lesbians-queer-as-pop-music-documentary

<<The makers of Queer as Pop must know that "queer" cannot be reduced to
"white gay man". [...] Given the sheer amount of important music lesbian,
trans and bisexual women have made during previous decades, our omission
from the documentary is no oversight. [...] This kind of revisionism, part
of the process by which women are so regularly erased from history, is a
common, outdated archiving tactic...>>

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/dec/30/netflix-evil-genius-tv-revolution-ted-sarandos

<<"Those cliffhangers usually have such a little pay-off in the next
episode. They're cheap tricks." He contrasts them with the end of the second
episode of House of Cards. "[Spacey's character] is just working out on a
rowing machine. He's not in jeopardy. Instead of being tricked into episode
three, I'm coming back because I got to know him and I want to know him
more.">>
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2013-12-27 15:20:12 UTC
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No Story
No Plot
No Characters
I am afraid to say that I have to agree with most of your review. The only
real saving grace was the brief time that Peter Capaldi made an appearance
at the end. Despite the stupid dialogue about the colour of his kidneys, he
had a stronger presence and was more convincing as the Doctor than Smith did
during the entire episode, if not since the time that he started 'phoning it
in'.
I will give Steven Moffat credit, though, for pulling off the naked
gag. That was actually funny, especially when you think about how many
other times in the series that that might have happened, and we did not even
know about it. I look forward to hearing about the complaints from modern
day Mary Whitehouses about how it is damaging to children, and that they
might try to imitate this behaviour.
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No River Song.
Tasha Lem was, more or less, River Song.
IMDB rates this 8.2/10
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2014-01-02 13:18:50 UTC
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No Story
No Plot
No Characters
No River Song.
The Doctor whiles away his final incarnation on a planet where it's always
Christmas. And just like the 'festive season', it doesn't half drag.
After a cracking return to form with The Day of the Doctor it's no big
surprise that Moffat was running short of ideas. But this dreary pageant
of flying saucers, resurrected monsters, and Christmas cliches, has all
the hallmarks of a story so bogged down in it's own flea-bitten mythology
that it's doomed forever to recycle the same monotonous theme.
This time the Timelords are returning through Amy's Crack. And all the
powers of the UNIVERSE are gathered to forestall them. There's the odd
brief skirmish with Daleks Cybermen Sontarans Angels etc... but for the
most part we're subjected to interminable speeches on the meaning of it
all, until the humble Christmas hour really does begin to feel like Nine
Hundred Years, with as much intrigue and suspense as the heated over
remains of Christmas dinner on Boxing Day.
The conclusion to the siege, with the Doctor emitting death rays to
destroy his enemies (after the usual bragging about how fearsome he is),
was trite lazy, and insulting to the audience.
At least I was right about the Return of the Pond. And the Bean Counters
can endlessly debate about whether Capaldi is Doctor One of Two.
But if the show doesn't ditch some of it's excess baggage and begin
exploring new territory, I can foresee Capaldi being the last Doctor for
some considerable time.
0/10
River was there. One of the few properly clever things in the episode was that the Doctor never calls her by her real name.
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