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S7E01 Asylum of the Daleks
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Agamemnon
2012-09-01 20:51:55 UTC
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Very good opening episode.

Stephen Moffat is bringing the series back to how it was in the classic era,
setting up stuff intended to get the kids rushing behind the sofa and
writing stories which mostly take place on alien worlds and which put new
ideas in peoples' minds.

Unfortunately he's still being affected by the 45 or is it now 50 minute
format since this story could have easily twisted in a different direction
and continued for another part. It was pretty obvious that Jenna
Louise-Coleman had probably been converted by the Daleks when it was
revealed that the other members of the crew had been, but if it had been
done in the old 4 episode format episode 2 would have ended with her being
transported on board the Dalek ship in human form and taking control of it
with everyone wondering which direction the story would take in the next
episode. Instead it had to come to a conclusion early which didn't leave
much choice but to have the Doctor give Amy his bracelet thus saving her
from conversion and preventing any further development of that story line
and have Jenna Louise-Coleman save everyone by insisting that she was still
human thus brining that story line to an early conclusion too.

The story could have also easily been written an Auton story set on Earth
but for some reason Stephen Moffat decided to chose Daleks, maybe because he
already explored the idea with Auton Rory.

Skaro is back from complete destruction. No idea if the Doctor travelled
back in time to before it was destroyed or the Daleks brought it back during
the Time War.

Think the whole thing with the repitition of Doctor Who is going to go on
through the series like RTDs Bad Wolf.

Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek taking
on the mannerisms of Davros.

Probably the best Dalek story since Dalek.


10/10
Charles E. Hardwidge
2012-09-01 21:03:03 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Very good opening episode.
Stephen Moffat is bringing the series back to how it was in the classic
era, setting up stuff intended to get the kids rushing behind the sofa and
writing stories which mostly take place on alien worlds and which put new
ideas in peoples' minds.
Unfortunately he's still being affected by the 45 or is it now 50 minute
format since this story could have easily twisted in a different direction
and continued for another part.
I've been suckered like that before, and your description of the show sounds
completely the opposite of what was reported of the Moffat interview.

Writing for the screen (especially movies) is especially hard as you have to
do a lot with a really, really *low* word count.

So *if* I actually watch this thing am I going to find out someone's been
lying, and if so who?
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Tony
2012-09-01 21:03:27 UTC
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Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek taking
on the mannerisms of Davros.
President Dalek..

Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
(and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
treaty after the civil war.

Tony
Agamemnon
2012-09-01 21:52:44 UTC
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Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek taking
on the mannerisms of Davros.
<<<President Dalek..>>>

So that was Dalek Obama then?

Doesn't look to me like he was fairly elected. He's bigger than the rest of
them for a start. Talk about equality.

<<<Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
(and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
treaty after the civil war.

Tony>>>

Thought the whole idea with the new plastic Daleks was that they were
supposed to be the most racially pure.

On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?

I was expecting an attempt to escape which could have been easily done in a
two parter but it didn't seem likely that anyone was going to escape to the
Daleks on the ship. Was there supposed to be a dark force rising? No sign of
that either.

The Daleks should now start getting up to something more substantial like
conquering planets and then the whole universe or devising some new super
weapon or something alone those lines.
solar penguin
2012-09-02 10:59:40 UTC
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On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
I was expecting an attempt to escape which could have been easily done in a
two parter but it didn't seem likely that anyone was going to escape to the
Daleks on the ship. Was there supposed to be a dark force rising? No sign of
that either.
Good point. The insane Daleks were about as threatening as a chicken
vol-au-vent. The scariest thing on the planet was the nanogene cloud,
and that wouldn't affect Daleks anyway.

And despite the fact that the Daleks were supposedly afraid to go down
to the planet, the Doctor tells Amy that feeling fear isn't a Dalek
thing. That line really felt odd.

And why does someone need to go down to turn off the force field
anyway? It's not like there's a lever or big red button that needs to
be operated by hand, since Oswin did it by remote control from inside
here Dalek shell. We know the signals can get through the force field
(since they picked up Oswin's Carmen music) so they could just turn it
off from the safety of the spaceship.

The only way this all makes sense is if the Daleks were lying to the
Doctor, trying to manipulate him according to some subtle and evil
plan. But now their memories have been wiped, we'll never know what
they were really up to.

Unless... What if they'd already set up the trap for the second half
of the plan, before they forgot all about it? The trap's now left
unattended waiting to spring at the wrong time for the wrong person,
wreaking all sorts of unintended destruction. That's why the question
being asked is such a bad thing...

Well, that's what I'd like to see happen anyway.
Don't make my brown eyes China Blue
2012-09-02 11:30:30 UTC
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On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
I was expecting an attempt to escape which could have been easily done in a
two parter but it didn't seem likely that anyone was going to escape to the
Daleks on the ship. Was there supposed to be a dark force rising? No sign of
that either.
Good point. The insane Daleks were about as threatening as a chicken
vol-au-vent. The scariest thing on the planet was the nanogene cloud,
and that wouldn't affect Daleks anyway.
They were frightenned of the dalek Oswin had become. And, as seen at the end,
with good reason.
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Mark Outrage
2012-09-02 11:36:10 UTC
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On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
The "nanogenes" infected the asylum Daleks with Humanity.
Agamemnon
2012-09-02 14:58:28 UTC
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On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
The "nanogenes" infected the asylum Daleks with Humanity.
They were human converts to begin with. They started of that way and the
conversion didn't work.
The Doctor
2012-09-02 22:07:22 UTC
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On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
The "nanogenes" infected the asylum Daleks with Humanity.
They were human converts to begin with. They started of that way and the
conversion didn't work.
I like the guy who died in the snow.
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Andrew M
2012-09-02 17:42:22 UTC
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On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
What they wanted to eradicate was Oswin. A Dalek that believed herself
to be human and who was able to latch into their "collective mind"
would offend the Dalek sensibilities on superiority and purity in quite
fundamental ways.
It's clear from the loss of memory sequence at the end that, with the
defensive net down, Oswin had access to the Dalek shared consciousness
in a way that would have been devastating to them. Imagine the
possibility of a human being able to affect the thinking of Daleks
everywhere.
Raymond Daley
2012-09-03 03:40:41 UTC
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On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
What they wanted to eradicate was Oswin. A Dalek that believed herself to
be human
Has been done before. As a novel.
And a very good one too, basically all they've done is stolen most of it and
slashed a lot.
The Doctor
2012-09-03 14:41:01 UTC
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On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
What they wanted to eradicate was Oswin. A Dalek that believed herself to
be human
Has been done before. As a novel.
And a very good one too, basically all they've done is stolen most of it and
slashed a lot.
Hold on the what you are. That will force the angtagoinst to do something.
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Agamemnon
2012-09-04 17:35:30 UTC
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On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
What they wanted to eradicate was Oswin. A Dalek that believed herself
They didn't even recognise who she was.
Post by Andrew M
to be human and who was able to latch into their "collective mind" would
offend the Dalek sensibilities on superiority and purity in quite
fundamental ways.
It's clear from the loss of memory sequence at the end that, with the
defensive net down, Oswin had access to the Dalek shared consciousness in
a way that would have been devastating to them. Imagine the
Only with the forcefield down.
Post by Andrew M
possibility of a human being able to affect the thinking of Daleks
everywhere.
Ross
2012-09-05 13:21:28 UTC
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On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
What they wanted to eradicate was Oswin. A Dalek that believed herself
They didn't even recognise who she was.
Post by Andrew M
to be human and who was able to latch into their "collective mind" would
offend the Dalek sensibilities on superiority and purity in quite
fundamental ways.
It's clear  from the loss of memory sequence at the end that, with the
defensive net down, Oswin had access to the Dalek shared consciousness in
a way that would have been devastating to them. Imagine the
Only with the forcefield down.
We can take the Daleks at their word in part; the fact that an earth
ship had breached the defenses and crashed with survivors meant that
the defenses weren't inpenetrable. Oswin was the thing the Daleks
weren't telling the Doctor: the specific threat they didn't want
getting out. There are other hints; the daleks keep the asylum because
they find it anathema to destroy other daleks who are still
"beautiful" in their hatred -- they only become willing to destroy the
asylum when there is a Dalek inside who *doesn't hate*.


(Did anyone else think Amy was uncharacteristically stupid? I sorted
out what had happened (mostly; I thought Oswin was an inmate in the
asylum from the beginning, not a human who was converted by
"accident") as soon as the Doctor first asked where she got the milk.
Seems like we've seen Amy be clever enough in the past to cotton on to
what he's getting at, but this time she just dismisses him as being
silly.)
Stephen Wilson
2012-09-05 16:18:59 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
What they wanted to eradicate was Oswin. A Dalek that believed herself
They didn't even recognise who she was.
Post by Andrew M
to be human and who was able to latch into their "collective mind" would
offend the Dalek sensibilities on superiority and purity in quite
fundamental ways.
It's clear from the loss of memory sequence at the end that, with the
defensive net down, Oswin had access to the Dalek shared consciousness in
a way that would have been devastating to them. Imagine the
Only with the forcefield down.
We can take the Daleks at their word in part; the fact that an earth
ship had breached the defenses and crashed with survivors meant that
the defenses weren't inpenetrable. Oswin was the thing the Daleks
weren't telling the Doctor: the specific threat they didn't want
getting out. There are other hints; the daleks keep the asylum because
they find it anathema to destroy other daleks who are still
"beautiful" in their hatred -- they only become willing to destroy the
asylum when there is a Dalek inside who *doesn't hate*.
(Did anyone else think Amy was uncharacteristically stupid? I sorted
out what had happened (mostly; I thought Oswin was an inmate in the
asylum from the beginning, not a human who was converted by
"accident") as soon as the Doctor first asked where she got the milk.
Seems like we've seen Amy be clever enough in the past to cotton on to
what he's getting at, but this time she just dismisses him as being
silly.)
I thought that the Daleks managed to capture the Doctor, Amy and Rory with
too much ease. If it was that easy to locate them, why didn't they do it
years ago?
I couldn't see the point of the Dalek eyestick popping out of the
"possessed" human's foreheads (or how the human managed to function as half
their brain must have been removed to accommodate it).
I thought Amy and Rory's break-up happened too quickly and seemed unlikely.
I thought Skaro and the Daleks were meant to have been destroyed in the
Timewar along with Gallifrey and all the Time Lords.
I couldn't work out what the bracelets were meant to do. If Amy lost hers,
did the act of wearing the Doctor's cure her? If the Doctor was infected,
did he get cured by wearing a bracelet once they'd left the planet?
I thought the idea of the dead being reanimated was silly.
In fact I thought a lot of things!!

solar penguin
2012-09-02 08:10:25 UTC
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Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
(and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
treaty after the civil war.
I assumed the Parliament was just another name for the Supreme Council
- or possibly the next step down, a sort of Not-Quite-Supreme Council.

After all, parliaments don't have to be democratically elected. Even
on Earth there have been plenty of puppet parliaments supporting
military regimes.
The Doctor
2012-09-02 11:57:46 UTC
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Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
(and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
treaty after the civil war.
I assumed the Parliament was just another name for the Supreme Council
- or possibly the next step down, a sort of Not-Quite-Supreme Council.
After all, parliaments don't have to be democratically elected. Even
on Earth there have been plenty of puppet parliaments supporting
military regimes.
A Parliament of millions?
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The Doctor
2012-09-01 21:15:37 UTC
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Very good opening episode.
Stephen Moffat is bringing the series back to how it was in the classic era,
setting up stuff intended to get the kids rushing behind the sofa and
writing stories which mostly take place on alien worlds and which put new
ideas in peoples' minds.
Unfortunately he's still being affected by the 45 or is it now 50 minute
format since this story could have easily twisted in a different direction
and continued for another part. It was pretty obvious that Jenna
Louise-Coleman had probably been converted by the Daleks when it was
revealed that the other members of the crew had been, but if it had been
done in the old 4 episode format episode 2 would have ended with her being
transported on board the Dalek ship in human form and taking control of it
with everyone wondering which direction the story would take in the next
episode. Instead it had to come to a conclusion early which didn't leave
much choice but to have the Doctor give Amy his bracelet thus saving her
from conversion and preventing any further development of that story line
and have Jenna Louise-Coleman save everyone by insisting that she was still
human thus brining that story line to an early conclusion too.
The story could have also easily been written an Auton story set on Earth
but for some reason Stephen Moffat decided to chose Daleks, maybe because he
already explored the idea with Auton Rory.
Skaro is back from complete destruction. No idea if the Doctor travelled
back in time to before it was destroyed or the Daleks brought it back during
the Time War.
Think the whole thing with the repitition of Doctor Who is going to go on
through the series like RTDs Bad Wolf.
Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek taking
on the mannerisms of Davros.
Probably the best Dalek story since Dalek.
10/10
Getting ready to spoiler this!
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Stephen Wilson
2012-09-01 23:20:11 UTC
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Getting ready to spoiler this!
What is that meant to mean? Have you any idea what a spoiler is?
The Doctor
2012-09-02 00:22:32 UTC
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Getting ready to spoiler this!
What is that meant to mean? Have you any idea what a spoiler is?
Of course I do!
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