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Doctor Who S6E12 Closing Time REview with Spoilers
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The Doctor
2011-09-25 02:51:55 UTC
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7/10 .


Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.

It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.

The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.


Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!

So a cybership crashed and they build on top without
suspecting anything there.


All right The Doctor is not up to being himself.

In this case he tracks down missing people and
silver rats.

It takes some time, but the teleport is local and not in space.

In the end love and protection causes a massive feedback loop
and the Doctor wins the Day.

Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.

So River is the Impossible Astronaut with surviving
Silence.

Get ready for a spectacular finale!
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Wouter Valentijn
2011-09-25 06:14:06 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Agreed.
Post by The Doctor
Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.
It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
Or is his 'flesh'...?
I just wonder....
Post by The Doctor
Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!
So a cybership crashed and they build on top without
suspecting anything there.
All right The Doctor is not up to being himself.
In this case he tracks down missing people and
silver rats.  
It takes some time, but the teleport is local and not in space.
In the end love and protection causes a massive feedback loop
and the Doctor wins the Day.
Amor Vincent Omni :-)
Post by The Doctor
Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
Indeed.
Very cool.
Amy's a model now!
Step up from kissing telegram.
Post by The Doctor
So River is the Impossible Astronaut with surviving
Silence.
That we already knew.
Only her age surprised me.
The last time we saw her in the Apollo suit she was a little girl.
Post by The Doctor
Get ready for a spectacular finale!
Yep!

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The Doctor
2011-09-25 12:05:48 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Agreed.
Post by The Doctor
Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.
It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
Or is his 'flesh'...?
I just wonder....
We will find out soon enough.
Post by Wouter Valentijn
Post by The Doctor
Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!
So a cybership crashed and they build on top without
suspecting anything there.
All right The Doctor is not up to being himself.
In this case he tracks down missing people and
silver rats. =A0
It takes some time, but the teleport is local and not in space.
In the end love and protection causes a massive feedback loop
and the Doctor wins the Day.
Amor Vincent Omni :-)
10/10 .
Post by Wouter Valentijn
Post by The Doctor
Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
Indeed.
Very cool.
Amy's a model now!
Step up from kissing telegram.
And she looks like one.
Post by Wouter Valentijn
Post by The Doctor
So River is the Impossible Astronaut with surviving
Silence.
That we already knew.
Only her age surprised me.
The last time we saw her in the Apollo suit she was a little girl.
10/10 or so we were led to believe.
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Post by The Doctor
Get ready for a spectacular finale!
Yep!
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solar penguin
2011-09-25 13:56:57 UTC
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Amor Vincent Omni :-)
10/10 .
If you're marking his Latin skills, that's only a 7/10.
Wouter Valentijn
2011-09-25 20:37:34 UTC
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Amor Vincent Omni :-)
10/10 .
If you're marking his Latin skills, that's only a 7/10.
That's okay. Never took Latin.
I remembered those words from English class.
I think they were associated with the Canterbury tales?
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The Doctor
2011-09-25 23:58:27 UTC
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Amor Vincent Omni :-)
10/10 .
If you're marking his Latin skills, that's only a 7/10.
That's okay. Never took Latin.
I remembered those words from English class.
I think they were associated with the Canterbury tales?
Good olde Chaucer.
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john smith
2011-09-26 00:05:25 UTC
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Amor Vincent Omni :-)
10/10 .
If you're marking his Latin skills, that's only a 7/10.
That's okay. Never took Latin.
I remembered those words from English class.
I think they were associated with the Canterbury tales?
Why not just Google it? If you're gonna show-off with Latin, you might as
well spend all of 20 seconds getting it right, eh?
The Doctor
2011-09-26 00:34:43 UTC
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Amor Vincent Omni :-)
10/10 .
If you're marking his Latin skills, that's only a 7/10.
That's okay. Never took Latin.
I remembered those words from English class.
I think they were associated with the Canterbury tales?
Why not just Google it? If you're gonna show-off with Latin, you might as
well spend all of 20 seconds getting it right, eh?
AFAIK Google is mostly English.
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Wouter Valentijn
2011-09-26 21:11:31 UTC
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Amor Vincent Omni :-)
10/10 .
If you're marking his Latin skills, that's only a 7/10.
That's okay. Never took Latin.
I remembered those words from English class.
I think they were associated with the Canterbury tales?
Why not just Google it? If you're gonna show-off with Latin, you
might as well spend all of 20 seconds getting it right, eh?
Thought I had!
Mind you, it was over *30* years ago....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prioress's_Tale

Ah... Amor vincit omnia!

As for 'show-off', I had no such intention. As I said, I never took Latin.
It was just anecdotal. Based on a memory that turns out not to be all that
perfect. :-)
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The Doctor
2011-09-25 23:50:55 UTC
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Amor Vincent Omni :-)
10/10 .
If you're marking his Latin skills, that's only a 7/10.
Then what is the correct Latin good Penguin?
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solar penguin
2011-09-26 09:08:52 UTC
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Amor Vincent Omni :-)
10/10 .
If you're marking his Latin skills, that's only a 7/10.
Then what is the correct Latin good Penguin?
Amor Vincit Omnia
The Doctor
2011-09-26 12:52:25 UTC
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Amor Vincent Omni :-)
10/10 .
If you're marking his Latin skills, that's only a 7/10.
Then what is the correct Latin good Penguin?
Amor Vincit Omnia
Must be a Chaucer fan.
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Norman Castle
2011-09-26 23:12:02 UTC
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Amor Vincent Omni :-)
10/10 .
If you're marking his Latin skills, that's only a 7/10.
Then what is the correct Latin good Penguin?
Amor Vincit Omnia
Amor omnia vincit, actually.
Keith Cunningham
2011-09-26 23:26:29 UTC
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If you're marking his Latin skills, that's only a 7/10.
Then what is the correct Latin good Penguin?
Amor Vincit Omnia
Amor omnia vincit, actually.
Memories. :-( Our school motto was "Labor Omnia Vincit". Yuk!
The Doctor
2011-09-27 12:57:21 UTC
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If you're marking his Latin skills, that's only a 7/10.
Then what is the correct Latin good Penguin?
Amor Vincit Omnia
Amor omnia vincit, actually.
Memories. :-( Our school motto was "Labor Omnia Vincit". Yuk!
Such are memories.
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John Hall
2011-09-27 09:15:29 UTC
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Amor Vincit Omnia
Amor omnia vincit, actually.
From what I can recall of Latin lessons from almost fifty years ago,
though it was usual to put the verb at the end of a sentence, if there
was another word that you particularly wanted to emphasise then you
could put that word last instead. So I think a good case can be made for
"amor vincit omnia".
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Andy Leighton
2011-09-27 11:49:47 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:12:02 -0700 (PDT),
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Post by The Doctor
Then what is the correct Latin good Penguin?
Amor Vincit Omnia
Amor omnia vincit, actually.
Actually word order in Latin is not prescribed.
Virgil used "omnia vincit amor" which still means love conquers all.
Solar Penguin's version seems to be first used by Caravaggio.

omnia vincit amor is probably more poetic, and emphasises the love more
than in some of the other word orders. However all three forms listed
here would be understood by a Roman (remember the letter c is a hard-c
in classical Latin). Even "vincit amor omnia" (and the other combinations)
would be understandable although it is an odd word order choice (and
certainly wouldn't be a customary one by a native Latin speaker).
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The Doctor
2011-09-27 12:57:51 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:12:02 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Norman Castle
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
Then what is the correct Latin good Penguin?
Amor Vincit Omnia
Amor omnia vincit, actually.
Actually word order in Latin is not prescribed.
Virgil used "omnia vincit amor" which still means love conquers all.
Solar Penguin's version seems to be first used by Caravaggio.
omnia vincit amor is probably more poetic, and emphasises the love more
than in some of the other word orders. However all three forms listed
here would be understood by a Roman (remember the letter c is a hard-c
in classical Latin). Even "vincit amor omnia" (and the other combinations)
would be understandable although it is an odd word order choice (and
certainly wouldn't be a customary one by a native Latin speaker).
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Timothy Bruening
2018-04-15 20:06:11 UTC
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Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
Indeed.
Very cool.
Amy's a model now!
Step up from kissing telegram.
Kissing telegrams may be Politically Incorrect due to sexual harassment scandals.
The Other Doctor
2018-04-15 20:52:27 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
Indeed.
Very cool.
Amy's a model now!
Step up from kissing telegram.
Kissing telegrams may be Politically Incorrect due to sexual harassment scandals.
On the other hand they may be not. Anyway, she was't a "kissing telegram".
She was a kissogram. Or, in other words, a stripper.
The Doctor
2018-04-15 23:37:18 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
Indeed.
Very cool.
Amy's a model now!
Step up from kissing telegram.
Kissing telegrams may be Politically Incorrect due to sexual harassment scandals.
On the other hand they may be not. Anyway, she was't a "kissing telegram".
She was a kissogram. Or, in other words, a stripper.
Brill.
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Daniel60
2019-01-08 10:51:06 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
Indeed.
Very cool.
Amy's a model now!
Step up from kissing telegram.
Kissing telegrams may be Politically Incorrect due to sexual harassment scandals.
If a women applies for the position of a 'Kissing Telegram Delivering
Operator", she could hardly complain about getting kissed!! IMHO, of
course!!
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On the other hand they may be not. Anyway, she was't a "kissing telegram".
She was a kissogram. Or, in other words, a stripper.
Our Amy, a Stripper?? You're joking, surely??
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The Doctor
2018-04-15 23:22:28 UTC
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Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
Indeed.
Very cool.
Amy's a model now!
Step up from kissing telegram.
Kissing telegrams may be Politically Incorrect due to sexual harassment scandals.
Good one!!
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solar penguin
2011-09-25 07:28:32 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.
It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.
Unfortunately, yes. It would be nice to have a more more relaxed
finale for a change, rather than these contrived set-pieces that don't
make any plot sense.
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?

Or did he spend two centuries after "A Good Man..." searching for
Melody without ever coming close to finding her? If so, he's a bit
useless isn't he?
Post by The Doctor
Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!
Are they definitely Mondasian? The ship felt like it must've been
there long before Mondas drifted back home. It felt really, really
old somehow, possibly just because it was such a long way down. The
only Cybermen we've seen on Earth anywhere near that long ago were the
Cybus ones in "The Next Doctor".
Post by The Doctor
Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
I wonder how long has passed for them?

BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver? Why not just give him a phaser
or a ray gun!?!
John Hall
2011-09-25 09:58:38 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.
It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.
Unfortunately, yes. It would be nice to have a more more relaxed
finale for a change, rather than these contrived set-pieces that don't
make any plot sense.
I know what you mean. At least this time it's only one episode rather
than two.
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
I was wondering that too. Knowing Moffat, I wouldn't be surprised if the
apparent anomaly turns out to be deeply significant in some way.
Post by solar penguin
Or did he spend two centuries after "A Good Man..." searching for
Melody without ever coming close to finding her? If so, he's a bit
useless isn't he?
:)

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Charles E. Hardwidge
2011-09-25 11:13:21 UTC
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I was wondering that too. Knowing Moffat, I wouldn't be surprised if the
apparent anomaly turns out to be deeply significant in some way.
The Magic 8 Ball says, "As I see it, yes."

Hey, I dunno. It's only a piece of plastic.
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The Doctor
2011-09-25 12:12:55 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.
It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.
Unfortunately, yes. It would be nice to have a more more relaxed
finale for a change, rather than these contrived set-pieces that don't
make any plot sense.
I know what you mean. At least this time it's only one episode rather
than two.
Just keep watching.
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Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
I was wondering that too. Knowing Moffat, I wouldn't be surprised if the
apparent anomaly turns out to be deeply significant in some way.
Well Dr River Song is the assassin.
Post by John Hall
Post by solar penguin
Or did he spend two centuries after "A Good Man..." searching for
Melody without ever coming close to finding her? If so, he's a bit
useless isn't he?
:)
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Hand-of-Omega
2011-09-25 11:06:47 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.
It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.
Unfortunately, yes.  It would be nice to have a more more relaxed
finale for a change, rather than these contrived set-pieces that don't
make any plot sense.
Well, the audience expects it by now, so...(note the Dalek!)
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting?  The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor.  Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Well, he does know a LOT of people! Still, feels a bit too much like
how the 10th went out, although I suppose it makes sense. Bad enough
he
started wearing a coat...^^
BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver?  Why not just give him a phaser
or a ray gun!?!
Yeah, didn't like that either. Speaking of, I did like his call-back
to the Second Doctor, however: "You've redecorated! Don't like it."^_^

Dex
The Doctor
2011-09-25 12:14:25 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.
It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.
Unfortunately, yes. =A0It would be nice to have a more more relaxed
finale for a change, rather than these contrived set-pieces that don't
make any plot sense.
Well, the audience expects it by now, so...(note the Dalek!)
IS the Dalek giving a warning?
Post by Hand-of-Omega
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? =A0The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. =A0Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Well, he does know a LOT of people! Still, feels a bit too much like
how the 10th went out, although I suppose it makes sense. Bad enough
he
started wearing a coat...^^
We now know about the stetsin.
Post by Hand-of-Omega
BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver? =A0Why not just give him a phaser
or a ray gun!?!
Yeah, didn't like that either. Speaking of, I did like his call-back
to the Second Doctor, however: "You've redecorated! Don't like it."^_^
Same old :-)
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Dex
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The Doctor
2011-09-25 12:08:14 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.
It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.
Unfortunately, yes. It would be nice to have a more more relaxed
finale for a change, rather than these contrived set-pieces that don't
make any plot sense.
Ask Moffat the next time you see him.
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Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Or did he spend two centuries after "A Good Man..." searching for
Melody without ever coming close to finding her? If so, he's a bit
useless isn't he?
iSomeone must know his profile.
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!
Are they definitely Mondasian? The ship felt like it must've been
there long before Mondas drifted back home. It felt really, really
old somehow, possibly just because it was such a long way down. The
only Cybermen we've seen on Earth anywhere near that long ago were the
Cybus ones in "The Next Doctor".
Coming through the void. These ones one was not void.
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
I wonder how long has passed for them?
BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver? Why not just give him a phaser
or a ray gun!?!
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2011-09-25 14:17:47 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!
Are they definitely Mondasian? The ship felt like it must've been
there long before Mondas drifted back home. It felt really, really
old somehow, possibly just because it was such a long way down. The
only Cybermen we've seen on Earth anywhere near that long ago were the
Cybus ones in "The Next Doctor".
Coming through the void. These ones one was not void.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. The episode had
no mention _either way_ about these Cybermen coming through the void
or not coming through it. So we can't conclude anything from that.
The Doctor
2011-09-25 23:52:32 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!
Are they definitely Mondasian? The ship felt like it must've been
there long before Mondas drifted back home. It felt really, really
old somehow, possibly just because it was such a long way down. The
only Cybermen we've seen on Earth anywhere near that long ago were the
Cybus ones in "The Next Doctor".
Coming through the void. These ones one was not void.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. The episode had
no mention _either way_ about these Cybermen coming through the void
or not coming through it. So we can't conclude anything from that.
Did cybusmen ever create cybermats or cyberships?
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Adam H. Kerman
2011-09-25 13:15:52 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Or did he spend two centuries after "A Good Man..." searching for
Melody without ever coming close to finding her? If so, he's a bit
useless isn't he?
Are you putting pounds down that this will be yet another unaddressed
plot point?
solar penguin
2011-09-25 14:21:04 UTC
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Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Or did he spend two centuries after "A Good Man..." searching for
Melody without ever coming close to finding her? If so, he's a bit
useless isn't he?
Are you putting pounds down that this will be yet another unaddressed
plot point?
No, I hope it will eventually be addressed somehow.

Of course, it makes the Ganger theory less likely, since the Ganger
Doctor would have had to live longer than all the original Doctor's
incarnations put together.
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2011-09-25 20:27:03 UTC
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Of course, it makes the Ganger theory less likely, since the Ganger
Doctor would have had to live longer than all the original Doctor's
incarnations put together.
How old was the First Doctor in the first episode?
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2011-09-25 23:58:03 UTC
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Of course, it makes the Ganger theory less likely, since the Ganger
Doctor would have had to live longer than all the original Doctor's
incarnations put together.
How old was the First Doctor in the first episode?
less than 500 years old IIRC.
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2011-09-25 23:53:07 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Or did he spend two centuries after "A Good Man..." searching for
Melody without ever coming close to finding her? If so, he's a bit
useless isn't he?
Are you putting pounds down that this will be yet another unaddressed
plot point?
No, I hope it will eventually be addressed somehow.
Of course, it makes the Ganger theory less likely, since the Ganger
Doctor would have had to live longer than all the original Doctor's
incarnations put together.
The Ganger just needs to appear when needed.
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2011-09-25 23:49:43 UTC
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Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Or did he spend two centuries after "A Good Man..." searching for
Melody without ever coming close to finding her? If so, he's a bit
useless isn't he?
Are you putting pounds down that this will be yet another unaddressed
plot point?
All right, which betting house do we use?
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2011-09-25 15:33:25 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.
It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.
Unfortunately, yes. It would be nice to have a more more relaxed
finale for a change, rather than these contrived set-pieces that don't
make any plot sense.
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Apparently so. I was rewatching select scenes with the closed captions
on pick up bits I missed and it does appear he spent almost 200 years on
his own.
Post by solar penguin
Or did he spend two centuries after "A Good Man..." searching for
Melody without ever coming close to finding her? If so, he's a bit
useless isn't he?
Post by The Doctor
Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!
Are they definitely Mondasian?
I read the same thing on another board. Figuring this out is one of the
reasons I was rewatching parts of it. I don't think anyone actually
said Mondasian but since the ship was there for centuries I guess it
couldn't have been the alternate universe one anyway. I guess as part
of the retcon the Cyberman *always* looked like that and the alternate
universe versions were copying the real universe design.


The ship felt like it must've been
Post by solar penguin
there long before Mondas drifted back home. It felt really, really
old somehow, possibly just because it was such a long way down. The
only Cybermen we've seen on Earth anywhere near that long ago were the
Cybus ones in "The Next Doctor".
Post by The Doctor
Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
Yeah, I was wondering why they were still in the opening credits.
Post by solar penguin
I wonder how long has passed for them?
Now that I think about it, this raises a point of confusion for me. We
know it was the future Doctor that takes them on the trip to the lake.
The Amy and Rory from this episode already had that experience. So is
the Doctor going to travel back in time to before he had the most recent
adventures?

As I recall, the Doctor overheard them talking about his eventual death.
What were the details he overheard? Is he *trying* to ensure he dies
the same way he overheard?
Post by solar penguin
BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver?
Maybe it's a throwback to old school Who. ;-)

Why not just give him a phaser
Post by solar penguin
or a ray gun!?!
solar penguin
2011-09-25 16:42:32 UTC
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Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!
Are they definitely Mondasian?
I read the same thing on another board. Figuring this out is one of the
reasons I was rewatching parts of it. I don't think anyone actually
said Mondasian but since the ship was there for centuries I guess it
couldn't have been the alternate universe one anyway.
Other way round. The ship being there for centuries means they're
_less_ likely to be Mondasian Cybermen.

We know the Mondasian history pretty well. Mondas didn't come back
home until the 1980s, and the Mondasians never properly developed time
travel, so there's no easy way they could be there before that. (And
no, I just plain don't believe the Cybermen we see in Earthshock are
time travellers either, so don't try using that argument!)

OTOH we know that coming back out of the void can send the alternate
universe Cybermen back in time (as in The Next Doctor) so maybe this
is what happened here.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
I guess as part
of the retcon the Cyberman *always* looked like that and the alternate
universe versions were copying the real universe design.
The Doctor
2011-09-25 23:55:46 UTC
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Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!
Are they definitely Mondasian?
I read the same thing on another board. Figuring this out is one of the
reasons I was rewatching parts of it. I don't think anyone actually
said Mondasian but since the ship was there for centuries I guess it
couldn't have been the alternate universe one anyway.
Other way round. The ship being there for centuries means they're
_less_ likely to be Mondasian Cybermen.
We know the Mondasian history pretty well. Mondas didn't come back
home until the 1980s, and the Mondasians never properly developed time
travel, so there's no easy way they could be there before that. (And
no, I just plain don't believe the Cybermen we see in Earthshock are
time travellers either, so don't try using that argument!)
OTOH we know that coming back out of the void can send the alternate
universe Cybermen back in time (as in The Next Doctor) so maybe this
is what happened here.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
I guess as part
of the retcon the Cyberman *always* looked like that and the alternate
universe versions were copying the real universe design.
Cybusmen were all tossed into the void.
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2011-09-25 17:09:04 UTC
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I read the same thing on another board.  Figuring this out is one of the
reasons I was rewatching parts of it.  I don't think anyone actually
said Mondasian but since the ship was there for centuries I guess it
couldn't have been the alternate universe one anyway.  I guess as part
of the retcon the Cyberman *always* looked like that and the alternate
universe versions were copying the real universe design.
The alternate universe cybermen were scattered through time when the
void started to break down; we know one place they made it to was
victorian london, there could be others. The ship is too early to fit
into any of the classic series timeline since Mondas wasn't in a
position to reach earth until the 1980s and the planet 14 cybermen
weren't able to reach earth until the 1970s. That means that whatever
universe they are from, they got there due to post-time-war
developments. The cybermen did have access to time travel as a result
of joining the pandorica alliance, so these cybermen could be from
pretty much anywhen.

That said, I think it's a *big* leap to say that they've retconned
cyber-appearance. We've *SEEN* a revenge-style cyberman helmet in the
new series. And the Daleks verified that the alt-universe cybermen
only look *similar* to cybermen.

I think that what we're seeing here is part of the "missing link"
between alternate universe cybermen we saw in the Tennant era and the
far-future cybermen of the pandorica alliance and demon's run.
The ship felt like it must've been
there long before Mondas drifted back home.  It felt really, really
old somehow, possibly just because it was such a long way down.  The
only Cybermen we've seen on Earth anywhere near that long ago were the
Cybus ones in "The Next Doctor".
Post by The Doctor
Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
Yeah, I was wondering why they were still in the opening credits.
I wonder how long has passed for them?
Now that I think about it, this raises a point of confusion for me.  We
know it was the future Doctor that takes them on the trip to the lake.
The Amy and Rory from this episode already had that experience.  So is
the Doctor going to travel back in time to before he had the most recent
adventures?
As I recall, the Doctor overheard them talking about his eventual death.
  What were the details he overheard?  Is he *trying* to ensure he dies
the same way he overheard?
BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver?
Maybe it's a throwback to old school Who.  ;-)
Why not just give him a phaser
or a ray gun!?!
Arthur Lipscomb
2011-09-25 18:41:47 UTC
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Post by Ross
That said, I think it's a *big* leap to say that they've retconned
cyber-appearance. We've *SEEN* a revenge-style cyberman helmet in the
new series. And the Daleks verified that the alt-universe cybermen
only look *similar* to cybermen.
What did the Daleks say about them being different?
The Doctor
2011-09-25 23:57:14 UTC
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Post by Ross
That said, I think it's a *big* leap to say that they've retconned
cyber-appearance. We've *SEEN* a revenge-style cyberman helmet in the
new series. And the Daleks verified that the alt-universe cybermen
only look *similar* to cybermen.
What did the Daleks say about them being different?
The key word is appear.
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On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:33:25 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.
It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.
Unfortunately, yes. It would be nice to have a more more relaxed
finale for a change, rather than these contrived set-pieces that don't
make any plot sense.
Agreed
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Apparently so. I was rewatching select scenes with the closed captions
on pick up bits I missed and it does appear he spent almost 200 years on
his own.
Post by solar penguin
Or did he spend two centuries after "A Good Man..." searching for
Melody without ever coming close to finding her? If so, he's a bit
useless isn't he?
Post by The Doctor
Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!
Are they definitely Mondasian?
I read the same thing on another board. Figuring this out is one of the
reasons I was rewatching parts of it. I don't think anyone actually
said Mondasian but since the ship was there for centuries I guess it
couldn't have been the alternate universe one anyway. I guess as part
of the retcon the Cyberman *always* looked like that and the alternate
universe versions were copying the real universe design.
There was (or will be) a classic Cyberman head in that guy's
underground museum in 2012, along with a Dalek that no-one recognises
as such (Eccleston story "Dalek").
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
The ship felt like it must've been
Post by solar penguin
there long before Mondas drifted back home. It felt really, really
old somehow, possibly just because it was such a long way down. The
only Cybermen we've seen on Earth anywhere near that long ago were the
Cybus ones in "The Next Doctor".
Post by The Doctor
Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
Yeah, I was wondering why they were still in the opening credits.
Contractual, I suspect.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by solar penguin
I wonder how long has passed for them?
Now that I think about it, this raises a point of confusion for me. We
know it was the future Doctor that takes them on the trip to the lake.
The Amy and Rory from this episode already had that experience. So is
the Doctor going to travel back in time to before he had the most recent
adventures?
As I recall, the Doctor overheard them talking about his eventual death.
What were the details he overheard? Is he *trying* to ensure he dies
the same way he overheard?
He's got the right hat now, but the wrong jacket, unless that's a Key
Plot Point being seeded.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by solar penguin
BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver?
Maybe it's a throwback to old school Who. ;-)
It now seems to be everything _except_ a screwdriver now, since he was
hacking the cybermat with a plain domestic human-type screwdriver.
Perhaps he's forgotten the setting for that.

It used to just undo screws and pick locks (but not mechanical one),
although the additional powers started fairly early on, when Pertwee
used his as a gas igniter in Carnival of MOnsters.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Why not just give him a phaser
Post by solar penguin
or a ray gun!?!
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solar penguin
2011-09-25 18:29:33 UTC
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On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:33:25 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by solar penguin
BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver?
Maybe it's a throwback to old school Who. ;-)
It now seems to be everything _except_ a screwdriver now, since he was
hacking the cybermat with a plain domestic human-type screwdriver.
Perhaps he's forgotten the setting for that.
It used to just undo screws and pick locks (but not mechanical one),
although the additional powers started fairly early on, when Pertwee
used his as a gas igniter in Carnival of MOnsters.
It started getting additional powers long before that, when Troughton
used it to drill through rock in The Dominators.
Jerry Brown
2011-09-25 20:58:30 UTC
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On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 11:29:33 -0700 (PDT), solar penguin
Post by solar penguin
Post by Jerry Brown
On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:33:25 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by solar penguin
BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver?
Maybe it's a throwback to old school Who. ;-)
It now seems to be everything _except_ a screwdriver now, since he was
hacking the cybermat with a plain domestic human-type screwdriver.
Perhaps he's forgotten the setting for that.
It used to just undo screws and pick locks (but not mechanical one),
although the additional powers started fairly early on, when Pertwee
used his as a gas igniter in Carnival of MOnsters.
It started getting additional powers long before that, when Troughton
used it to drill through rock in The Dominators.
Oh, I'd forgotten that, and I only saw it last year.
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The Doctor
2011-09-25 23:55:02 UTC
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Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.
It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.
Unfortunately, yes. It would be nice to have a more more relaxed
finale for a change, rather than these contrived set-pieces that don't
make any plot sense.
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Apparently so. I was rewatching select scenes with the closed captions
on pick up bits I missed and it does appear he spent almost 200 years on
his own.
Post by solar penguin
Or did he spend two centuries after "A Good Man..." searching for
Melody without ever coming close to finding her? If so, he's a bit
useless isn't he?
Post by The Doctor
Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!
Are they definitely Mondasian?
I read the same thing on another board. Figuring this out is one of the
reasons I was rewatching parts of it. I don't think anyone actually
said Mondasian but since the ship was there for centuries I guess it
couldn't have been the alternate universe one anyway. I guess as part
of the retcon the Cyberman *always* looked like that and the alternate
universe versions were copying the real universe design.
Well can Cybusmen develop Cybermats?
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
The ship felt like it must've been
Post by solar penguin
there long before Mondas drifted back home. It felt really, really
old somehow, possibly just because it was such a long way down. The
only Cybermen we've seen on Earth anywhere near that long ago were the
Cybus ones in "The Next Doctor".
Post by The Doctor
Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
Yeah, I was wondering why they were still in the opening credits.
Post by solar penguin
I wonder how long has passed for them?
Now that I think about it, this raises a point of confusion for me. We
know it was the future Doctor that takes them on the trip to the lake.
The Amy and Rory from this episode already had that experience. So is
the Doctor going to travel back in time to before he had the most recent
adventures?
As I recall, the Doctor overheard them talking about his eventual death.
What were the details he overheard? Is he *trying* to ensure he dies
the same way he overheard?
Post by solar penguin
BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver?
Maybe it's a throwback to old school Who. ;-)
Why not just give him a phaser
Post by solar penguin
or a ray gun!?!
REcall the Doctor is not fond of weaponsx/.
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2011-09-25 16:43:07 UTC
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Post by solar penguin
BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver?  Why not just give him a phaser
or a ray gun!?!
I didn't like that either. He was interfering with an electronic
device, so everything he did with the screwdriver seemed legit, but to
realize that visually as the screwdriver shooting a phaser beam at the
cybermat didn't sit right with me.
The Doctor
2011-09-25 23:56:19 UTC
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Post by Ross
Post by solar penguin
BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver? =A0Why not just give him a phaser
or a ray gun!?!
I didn't like that either. He was interfering with an electronic
device, so everything he did with the screwdriver seemed legit, but to
realize that visually as the screwdriver shooting a phaser beam at the
cybermat didn't sit right with me.
Electrical reaction comes to mind.
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Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.
Huh? 2 couple?
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.
Unfortunately, yes. It would be nice to have a more more relaxed
finale for a change, rather than these contrived set-pieces that don't
make any plot sense.
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Apparently the Doctor in this story is 200 years older than the Doctor in
last week's story...
Post by solar penguin
Or did he spend two centuries after "A Good Man..." searching for
Melody without ever coming close to finding her? If so, he's a bit
useless isn't he?
Post by The Doctor
Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!
Are they definitely Mondasian? The ship felt like it must've been
there long before Mondas drifted back home. It felt really, really
old somehow, possibly just because it was such a long way down. The
only Cybermen we've seen on Earth anywhere near that long ago were the
Cybus ones in "The Next Doctor".
I don't think the episode gave any indication one way or the other. The
Cybermen looked like Cybusmen, but lacked the "C" on their chestplates.
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
It was? Why? Harldy like they've been away for long...
Post by solar penguin
I wonder how long has passed for them?
BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver? Why not just give him a phaser
or a ray gun!?!
I'm more interested as to why thinks this episode was so fantastic. If it
had gone out under RTD he'd have been slating it. The Doctor is more gay in
this episode than he ever was under RTD...
Ross
2011-09-25 23:43:53 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wilson
Are they definitely Mondasian?  The ship felt like it must've been
there long before Mondas drifted back home.  It felt really, really
old somehow, possibly just because it was such a long way down.  The
only Cybermen we've seen on Earth anywhere near that long ago were the
Cybus ones in "The Next Doctor".
I don't think the episode gave any indication one way or the other. The
Cybermen looked like Cybusmen, but lacked the "C" on their chestplates.
Some of the cybermen didn't have center plates on their chests at all.
The lack of a C emblem may be because they are being built up from
spare parts.

There's a similar thing in an episode of Stargate SG-1 where a self-
replicating alien machine creature takes over a submarine on earth.
While it and the other replicators we'd seen so far were a sort of
blue metallic color, because it had to use parts scavanged from the
sub, the replicators it built were all brownish (And weren't
waterproof, this being how they were eventually stopped).

It could be that the reason the far-future cybermen we've seen a few
times in seasons 5 and 6 have similar backstories to the ones we saw
this time. It could be that other cybus cyberships were scattered
through time, and the ships' computers cobbled together new cyber-
crews from nearby humans and spare parts -- possibly even salvaging
leftover parts from the invasions in the 70s and 80s. That would make
the C-less Moffat-era cybermen essentially a third distinct cyber-sub-
species (or more likely fourth, since I'm inclined to treat the
mondasians and the "Planet 14" cybermen as distinct subspecies
already) entirely native to this universe, but influenced by collected
knowledge and design principles of the cybus cybermen
Tim Bruening
2017-01-21 16:23:15 UTC
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Post by Ross
Some of the cybermen didn't have center plates on their chests at all.
The lack of a C emblem may be because they are being built up from
spare parts.
There's a similar thing in an episode of Stargate SG-1 where a self-
replicating alien machine creature takes over a submarine on earth.
While it and the other replicators we'd seen so far were a sort of
blue metallic color, because it had to use parts scavanged from the
sub, the replicators it built were all brownish (And weren't
waterproof, this being how they were eventually stopped).
Since subs are water proof, why would replicators built from a sub NOT be water proof?
The Doctor
2017-01-21 22:06:01 UTC
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Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Ross
Some of the cybermen didn't have center plates on their chests at all.
The lack of a C emblem may be because they are being built up from
spare parts.
There's a similar thing in an episode of Stargate SG-1 where a self-
replicating alien machine creature takes over a submarine on earth.
While it and the other replicators we'd seen so far were a sort of
blue metallic color, because it had to use parts scavanged from the
sub, the replicators it built were all brownish (And weren't
waterproof, this being how they were eventually stopped).
Since subs are water proof, why would replicators built from a sub NOT be water proof?
They could be.
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john smith
2011-09-26 00:07:33 UTC
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Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Nice to see 2 couple back from the Moffat ERa.
Huh? 2 couple?
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
It looks as if we are in for a BIG season Finale.
Unfortunately, yes. It would be nice to have a more more relaxed
finale for a change, rather than these contrived set-pieces that don't
make any plot sense.
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Apparently the Doctor in this story is 200 years older than the Doctor in
last week's story...
Post by solar penguin
Or did he spend two centuries after "A Good Man..." searching for
Melody without ever coming close to finding her? If so, he's a bit
useless isn't he?
Post by The Doctor
Brownie points for the mondasian cybermen!
Are they definitely Mondasian? The ship felt like it must've been
there long before Mondas drifted back home. It felt really, really
old somehow, possibly just because it was such a long way down. The
only Cybermen we've seen on Earth anywhere near that long ago were the
Cybus ones in "The Next Doctor".
I don't think the episode gave any indication one way or the other. The
Cybermen looked like Cybusmen, but lacked the "C" on their chestplates.
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
It was? Why? Harldy like they've been away for long...
Post by solar penguin
I wonder how long has passed for them?
BTW am I the only one who doesn't like that beam of green light
shooting out of the sonic screwdriver? Why not just give him a phaser
or a ray gun!?!
I'm more interested as to why thinks this episode was so fantastic. If it
had gone out under RTD he'd have been slating it. The Doctor is more gay
in this episode than he ever was under RTD...
Exactly! What utter fucking hypocrites those anti-gay RTD haters show
themselves to be, eh?
Charles E. Hardwidge
2011-09-26 03:44:59 UTC
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Post by john smith
Exactly! What utter fucking hypocrites those anti-gay RTD haters show
themselves to be, eh?
Ever thought nobody can be bothered? It's not as if there aren't plenty of
things to hate and gay bashing is so yesterday. All those tears on Newsnight
and gaudy mincing gets a bit boring after a while.

Reality check: RTD was an overblown producer who lost the plot, and the gay
agenda pushed itself too hard on the market. Moffat's no better with shit
stories and turning it into the Amy Pond Show.

As I've said before: I'm an equal opportunity bastard. Get over it!

The show was shit and I'm not sanity checking every damn beep and fart
because that's not fun it's work, and if anyone wants that they can pay me
for it. I might be cheap but I'm not free, dear. ;-)
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john smith
2011-09-26 05:03:05 UTC
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Post by Charles E. Hardwidge
Post by john smith
Exactly! What utter fucking hypocrites those anti-gay RTD haters show
themselves to be, eh?
Ever thought nobody can be bothered? It's not as if there aren't plenty of
things to hate and gay bashing is so yesterday. All those tears on Newsnight
and gaudy mincing gets a bit boring after a while.
Reality check: RTD was an overblown producer who lost the plot, and the gay
agenda pushed itself too hard on the market. Moffat's no better with shit
stories and turning it into the Amy Pond Show.
As I've said before: I'm an equal opportunity bastard. Get over it!
The show was shit and I'm not sanity checking every damn beep and fart
because that's not fun it's work, and if anyone wants that they can pay me
for it. I might be cheap but I'm not free, dear. ;-)
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Queer or straight. Who gives a toss? But Moffat's WAAAAAY over-egging the
gay shit, far more than RTD ever did.. And he WAS/IS gay! (Oooo, the shiny
irony of it all - c.f. Sean Locke on Friday's "Q.I." where they discussed
the five forms of irony.)

What conclusions can we draw from this? Anyone? Homophobes? You always
have a drooly livery-lipped condescending point of view, don't you?
Charles E. Hardwidge
2011-09-26 08:11:47 UTC
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Post by john smith
Post by Charles E. Hardwidge
Reality check: RTD was an overblown producer who lost the plot, and the
gay agenda pushed itself too hard on the market. Moffat's no better with
shit stories and turning it into the Amy Pond Show.
Queer or straight. Who gives a toss? But Moffat's WAAAAAY over-egging
the gay shit, far more than RTD ever did.. And he WAS/IS gay! (Oooo, the
shiny irony of it all - c.f. Sean Locke on Friday's "Q.I." where they
discussed the five forms of irony.)
It's just a brand management and marketing, and rudimentary philosophical
issue. These things apply universally and are nothing special. C'mon, even
you've got to admit "Brand Gay" is ossified and and over-exposed. Gays
coming out of the closet is one thing but when they start shaking out of the
fucking cereal box the wrong side of an empty stomach it gets a bit much.
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Mark Outrage
2011-09-29 01:49:36 UTC
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Post by Charles E. Hardwidge
Post by john smith
Post by Charles E. Hardwidge
Reality check: RTD was an overblown producer who lost the plot, and the
gay agenda pushed itself too hard on the market. Moffat's no better with
shit stories and turning it into the Amy Pond Show.
Queer or straight. Who gives a toss? But Moffat's WAAAAAY over-egging
the gay shit, far more than RTD ever did.. And he WAS/IS gay! (Oooo, the
shiny irony of it all - c.f. Sean Locke on Friday's "Q.I." where they
discussed the five forms of irony.)
It's just a brand management and marketing, and rudimentary philosophical
issue. These things apply universally and are nothing special. C'mon, even
you've got to admit "Brand Gay" is ossified and and over-exposed. Gays
coming out of the closet is one thing but when they start shaking out of the
fucking cereal box the wrong side of an empty stomach it gets a bit much.
Gay-Fat-Anglican-Marine-who-looks-like-RTD is nodding his head in agreement,
wondering "What was the point of me, then?"
China Blue Corn Chips
2011-09-29 02:00:12 UTC
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Post by Mark Outrage
Gay-Fat-Anglican-Marine-who-looks-like-RTD is nodding his head in agreement,
wondering "What was the point of me, then?"
The gay-thin-anglican-marine survived and remembers what was done to his
husband. Which could be ignored or could mean the Doctor has another
anglican-marine ally.
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The Doctor
2011-09-29 12:21:03 UTC
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Post by Charles E. Hardwidge
Post by john smith
Post by Charles E. Hardwidge
Reality check: RTD was an overblown producer who lost the plot, and the
gay agenda pushed itself too hard on the market. Moffat's no better with
shit stories and turning it into the Amy Pond Show.
Queer or straight. Who gives a toss? But Moffat's WAAAAAY over-egging
the gay shit, far more than RTD ever did.. And he WAS/IS gay! (Oooo, the
shiny irony of it all - c.f. Sean Locke on Friday's "Q.I." where they
discussed the five forms of irony.)
It's just a brand management and marketing, and rudimentary philosophical
issue. These things apply universally and are nothing special. C'mon, even
you've got to admit "Brand Gay" is ossified and and over-exposed. Gays
coming out of the closet is one thing but when they start shaking out of the
fucking cereal box the wrong side of an empty stomach it gets a bit much.
Gay-Fat-Anglican-Marine-who-looks-like-RTD is nodding his head in agreement,
wondering "What was the point of me, then?"
And then become a member of the order of the Headless Monks.
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2011-09-26 12:49:17 UTC
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Post by Charles E. Hardwidge
Exactly! What utter bleeping hypocrites those anti-gay RTD haters show
themselves to be, eh?
Ever thought nobody can be bothered? It's not as if there aren't plenty of
things to hate and gay bashing is so yesterday. All those tears on Newsnight
and gaudy mincing gets a bit boring after a while.
Reality check: RTD was an overblown producer who lost the plot, and the gay
agenda pushed itself too hard on the market. Moffat's no better with bleep
stories and turning it into the Amy Pond Show.
As I've said before: I'm an equal opportunity bastard. Get over it!
The show was bleep and I'm not sanity checking every damn beep and fart
because that's not fun it's work, and if anyone wants that they can pay me
for it. I might be cheap but I'm not free, dear. ;-)
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Queer or straight. Who gives a toss? But Moffat's WAAAAAY over-egging the
gay bleep, far more than RTD ever did.. And he WAS/IS gay! (Oooo, the shiny
irony of it all - c.f. Sean Locke on Friday's "Q.I." where they discussed
the five forms of irony.)
What conclusions can we draw from this? Anyone? Homophobes? You always
have a drooly livery-lipped condescending point of view, don't you?
This homosexual agenda will be damaging if the BBC does not get a grip.
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solar penguin
2011-09-26 09:05:25 UTC
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I'm more interested as to why thinks this episode was so fantastic.
Well, I don't know about him, but I think it was so fantastic because
it was silly, lightweight fluff that's closer to light entertainment
than dull drama. Everything that good Saturday evening television
should be. What more could you ask for?
The Doctor
2011-09-26 12:51:58 UTC
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Post by solar penguin
Post by Stephen Wilson
I'm more interested as to why thinks this episode was so fantastic.
Well, I don't know about him, but I think it was so fantastic because
it was silly, lightweight fluff that's closer to light entertainment
than dull drama. Everything that good Saturday evening television
should be. What more could you ask for?
Next week could get deep.
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David Barnett
2011-10-01 20:37:24 UTC
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In article <ulNfq.460$***@newsfe24.ams2>,
***@ntlworld.com says...
<snip>
I'm more interested as to why thinks this episode was so fantastic. If >
it had gone out under RTD he'd have been slating it. The Doctor is more
gay in this episode than he ever was under RTD...
I was bored with this episode, aired last night in Australia.
I could only watch my recording of it this morning 5 minutes at a time.

Next weeks episode looks more promising, but I am prepared to be
disappointed.
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Adam H. Kerman
2011-10-01 20:55:20 UTC
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Post by John Hall
<snip>
I'm more interested as to why thinks this episode was so fantastic. If >
it had gone out under RTD he'd have been slating it. The Doctor is more
gay in this episode than he ever was under RTD...
I was bored with this episode, aired last night in Australia.
I could only watch my recording of it this morning 5 minutes at a time.
It wasn't fantastic. None of the Doctor Who revival episodes have been
fantastic. However, the baby jokes made me laugh, and something about
The Doctor's attitude was especially amusing. Nothing scary about
the Cybermats or Cybermen, alas.

The gay jokes, assuming they were a couple, weren't funny. Given the number
of times the same joke was repeated, it was tiresome. No idea why
stephen.wilson claims that failed gay jokes make The Doctor gay.
I'll blame that on the writers, probably responding to a note from the
producer ordering them to include Canadian content.
john smith
2011-10-01 23:05:58 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by John Hall
<snip>
I'm more interested as to why thinks this episode was so fantastic. If >
it had gone out under RTD he'd have been slating it. The Doctor is more
gay in this episode than he ever was under RTD...
I was bored with this episode, aired last night in Australia.
I could only watch my recording of it this morning 5 minutes at a time.
It wasn't fantastic. None of the Doctor Who revival episodes have been
fantastic. However, the baby jokes made me laugh, and something about
The Doctor's attitude was especially amusing. Nothing scary about
the Cybermats or Cybermen, alas.
The gay jokes, assuming they were a couple, weren't funny. Given the number
of times the same joke was repeated, it was tiresome. No idea why
stephen.wilson claims that failed gay jokes make The Doctor gay.
Did he? I can't remember him ever saying anything like that. Care to back
up your assertion?
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I'll blame that on the writers, probably responding to a note from the
producer ordering them to include Canadian content.
And also, can you explain what that even means?
Adam H. Kerman
2011-10-02 03:06:22 UTC
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Post by john smith
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by John Hall
<snip>
I'm more interested as to why thinks this episode was so fantastic. If >
it had gone out under RTD he'd have been slating it. The Doctor is more
gay in this episode than he ever was under RTD...
I was bored with this episode, aired last night in Australia.
I could only watch my recording of it this morning 5 minutes at a time.
It wasn't fantastic. None of the Doctor Who revival episodes have been
fantastic. However, the baby jokes made me laugh, and something about
The Doctor's attitude was especially amusing. Nothing scary about
the Cybermats or Cybermen, alas.
The gay jokes, assuming they were a couple, weren't funny. Given the number
of times the same joke was repeated, it was tiresome. No idea why
stephen.wilson claims that failed gay jokes make The Doctor gay.
Did he? I can't remember him ever saying anything like that. Care to back
up your assertion?
Perhaps you could read the quote for yourself, yads.
The Doctor
2011-10-02 03:12:55 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by john smith
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by John Hall
<snip>
I'm more interested as to why thinks this episode was so fantastic. If >
it had gone out under RTD he'd have been slating it. The Doctor is more
gay in this episode than he ever was under RTD...
I was bored with this episode, aired last night in Australia.
I could only watch my recording of it this morning 5 minutes at a time.
It wasn't fantastic. None of the Doctor Who revival episodes have been
fantastic. However, the baby jokes made me laugh, and something about
The Doctor's attitude was especially amusing. Nothing scary about
the Cybermats or Cybermen, alas.
The gay jokes, assuming they were a couple, weren't funny. Given the number
of times the same joke was repeated, it was tiresome. No idea why
stephen.wilson claims that failed gay jokes make The Doctor gay.
Did he? I can't remember him ever saying anything like that. Care to back
up your assertion?
Perhaps you could read the quote for yourself, yads.
Who?
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2011-10-01 23:08:13 UTC
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<snip>
I'm more interested as to why thinks this episode was so fantastic. If >
it had gone out under RTD he'd have been slating it. The Doctor is more
gay in this episode than he ever was under RTD...
I was bored with this episode, aired last night in Australia.
I could only watch my recording of it this morning 5 minutes at a time.
Next weeks episode looks more promising, but I am prepared to be
disappointed.
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Chess ot the death ?
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2011-10-02 11:00:57 UTC
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Post by John Hall
<snip>
I'm more interested as to why thinks this episode was so fantastic. If >
it had gone out under RTD he'd have been slating it. The Doctor is more
gay in this episode than he ever was under RTD...
I was bored with this episode, aired last night in Australia.
I could only watch my recording of it this morning 5 minutes at a time.
Next weeks episode looks more promising, but I am prepared to be
disappointed.
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Chess ot the death ?
"Blake's 7" did that 32 years ago in the episode "Gambit".
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The Doctor
2011-10-02 12:15:58 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by John Hall
<snip>
I'm more interested as to why thinks this episode was so fantastic. If >
it had gone out under RTD he'd have been slating it. The Doctor is more
gay in this episode than he ever was under RTD...
I was bored with this episode, aired last night in Australia.
I could only watch my recording of it this morning 5 minutes at a time.
Next weeks episode looks more promising, but I am prepared to be
disappointed.
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Chess ot the death ?
"Blake's 7" did that 32 years ago in the episode "Gambit".
Got you.
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Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Meditation a la Season 9 start?
The Doctor
2018-04-15 23:31:20 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Meditation a la Season 9 start?
Along those lines.
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Timothy Bruening
2018-05-18 12:39:38 UTC
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Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Did he meditate (as per "The Magician's Apprentice")? Did he mail anyone his Confession Dial?
The Doctor
2018-05-18 14:58:19 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Did he meditate (as per "The Magician's Apprentice")? Did he mail
anyone his Confession Dial?
no.
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Timothy Bruening
2018-08-21 05:31:00 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Did he meditate (as per "The Magician's Apprentice")? Did he mail
anyone his Confession Dial?
no.
Y not, if he was certain of death?
The Doctor
2018-08-21 06:04:27 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Did he meditate (as per "The Magician's Apprentice")? Did he mail
anyone his Confession Dial?
no.
Y not, if he was certain of death?
How quickly would he know?
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Timothy Bruening
2018-12-05 12:22:41 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Did he meditate (as per "The Magician's Apprentice")? Did he mail
anyone his Confession Dial?
no.
Y not, if he was certain of death?
How quickly would he know?
He became certain when he learned that the Brig had died. Did he then deliver his Confession Dial to anyone and throw a weird party for himself?
The Doctor
2018-12-05 16:11:00 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by The Doctor
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by Timothy Bruening
Post by solar penguin
Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Did he meditate (as per "The Magician's Apprentice")? Did he mail
anyone his Confession Dial?
no.
Y not, if he was certain of death?
How quickly would he know?
He became certain when he learned that the Brig had died. Did he then
deliver his Confession Dial to anyone and throw a weird party for
himself?
I.e. not at all.
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The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Did he meditate (as per "The Magician's Apprentice")? Did he mail
anyone his Confession Dial?
no.
Y not, if he was certain of death?
How quickly would he know?
He became certain when he learned that the Brig had died. Did he then
deliver his Confession Dial to anyone and throw a weird party for
himself?
I.e. not at all.
But he should have as per Magician's Apprentice!
The Doctor
2018-12-05 20:33:56 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
The Doctor is doing a farewell tour, or so he thinks.
How long is this tour lasting? The Doctor who got shot "The
Impossible Astronaut" was nearly 200 years older than that story's
present-day Doctor. Was he really spending all this time moping
around, feeling sorry for himself?
Did he meditate (as per "The Magician's Apprentice")? Did he mail
anyone his Confession Dial?
no.
Y not, if he was certain of death?
How quickly would he know?
He became certain when he learned that the Brig had died. Did he then
deliver his Confession Dial to anyone and throw a weird party for
himself?
I.e. not at all.
But he should have as per Magician's Apprentice!
Please implicate.
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Adam H. Kerman
2011-09-25 13:14:21 UTC
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Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
As they weren't part of the story, their cameo wasn't entertaining. We are
reminded that this is what a family raising a child looks like and that
the writers have failed to do anything with Amy's and Rory's emotional
state for having had their own child kidnapped.
The Doctor
2011-09-25 23:48:54 UTC
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Nice to see Amy and Rory in a cameo.
As they weren't part of the story, their cameo wasn't entertaining. We are
reminded that this is what a family raising a child looks like and that
the writers have failed to do anything with Amy's and Rory's emotional
state for having had their own child kidnapped.
ONly to see Amy as a perfume model.
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Legend-11
2011-09-25 21:22:37 UTC
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7/10 .
7/10 for that bag of old shite? WAY too generous.

Remember when the Cybermen were at least a little scary? Cybermen
stories in RTD/Tennant's era were [mostly] really grand and epic. That
was the James fucking Corden show, with the Cybermen relegated to
something that I have trouble even calling a plot device.

We're approaching the end of the second series of the Moffat/Smith era
and rarely have I experienced being on the edge of my seat and really
excited, which happened for me almost on a weekly basis during the
RTD/Tennant era. Only The Silence have really done it for me as regards
a 'big bad', so I'm holding out some hope for the finale at least.
However, I'm growing increasingly cheesed off with the man who has given
us little more than United Colours of Benetton Daleks and turned the
Cybermen into bit-part players. Which even I'm surprised about as
Moffat's writing input under RTD was spectacularly good.

I hope the finale is good, but at least I have my series 1-4 DVD's to
fall back on.
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The Doctor
2011-09-25 23:59:49 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
Remember when the Cybermen were at least a little scary? Cybermen
stories in RTD/Tennant's era were [mostly] really grand and epic. That
was the James Corden show, with the Cybermen relegated to
something that I have trouble even calling a plot device.
We're approaching the end of the second series of the Moffat/Smith era
and rarely have I experienced being on the edge of my seat and really
excited, which happened for me almost on a weekly basis during the
RTD/Tennant era. Only The Silence have really done it for me as regards
a 'big bad', so I'm holding out some hope for the finale at least.
However, I'm growing increasingly cheesed off with the man who has given
us little more than United Colours of Benetton Daleks and turned the
Cybermen into bit-part players. Which even I'm surprised about as
Moffat's writing input under RTD was spectacularly good.
I hope the finale is good, but at least I have my series 1-4 DVD's to
fall back on.
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Peter J Ross
2011-09-26 07:56:27 UTC
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Post by Legend-11
Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
7/10 for that bag of old shite? WAY too generous.
Remember when the Cybermen were at least a little scary?
It was the bit in The Tenth Planet before one of them spoke, wasn't
it?

In New Who, they don't even need to speak to stop being scary. As soon
as they start doing their trademark formation clog-dance they become
laughable.

Cybermats have always been crap too, but I'll grant you that they were
a little less *un* scary before their teeth fell out and they had to
be fitted with giant dentures.
Post by Legend-11
Cybermen
stories in RTD/Tennant's era were [mostly] really grand and epic.
Or overblown and risible, to put it another way.
Post by Legend-11
That
was the James fucking Corden show, with the Cybermen relegated to
something that I have trouble even calling a plot device.
It's a shame the cybermen were in it, but Doctor Who won't be made if
the toys aren't sold, and the toys won't be sold if they're not
marketed.

James Corden was adequate. I understand that he's widely hated, but
I've never seen in him in anthing but Doctor Who. He was adequate in
The Lodger too.

But if only he'd gone away for the week-end and left Daisy Haggard to
be the temporary companion...
Post by Legend-11
We're approaching the end of the second series of the Moffat/Smith era
and rarely have I experienced being on the edge of my seat and really
excited, which happened for me almost on a weekly basis during the
RTD/Tennant era. Only The Silence have really done it for me as regards
a 'big bad', so I'm holding out some hope for the finale at least.
However, I'm growing increasingly cheesed off with the man who has given
us little more than United Colours of Benetton Daleks and turned the
Cybermen into bit-part players. Which even I'm surprised about as
Moffat's writing input under RTD was spectacularly good.
He was told what to do under RTD.
Post by Legend-11
I hope the finale is good, but at least I have my series 1-4 DVD's to
fall back on.
Although I enjoyed both Closing Time and The Lodger, I much preferred
Gareth Roberts's scripts for RTD. Having somebody competent in charge
of the show really makes a difference. (RTD v Moffatt is beginning to
look like Hinchcliffe v JNT in that respect.)
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Jerry Brown
2011-09-26 10:41:03 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
In rec.arts.drwho on Sun, 25 Sep 2011 22:22:37 +0100, Legend-11
Post by Legend-11
Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
7/10 for that bag of old shite? WAY too generous.
Remember when the Cybermen were at least a little scary?
It was the bit in The Tenth Planet before one of them spoke, wasn't
it?
In New Who, they don't even need to speak to stop being scary. As soon
as they start doing their trademark formation clog-dance they become
laughable.
Cybermats have always been crap too, but I'll grant you that they were
a little less *un* scary before their teeth fell out and they had to
be fitted with giant dentures.
Post by Legend-11
Cybermen
stories in RTD/Tennant's era were [mostly] really grand and epic.
Or overblown and risible, to put it another way.
Post by Legend-11
That
was the James fucking Corden show, with the Cybermen relegated to
something that I have trouble even calling a plot device.
It's a shame the cybermen were in it, but Doctor Who won't be made if
the toys aren't sold, and the toys won't be sold if they're not
marketed.
James Corden was adequate. I understand that he's widely hated, but
I've never seen in him in anthing but Doctor Who. He was adequate in
The Lodger too.
Well, he's definitely burnt his bridges with the Star Trek franchise.
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The Doctor
2011-09-26 12:53:30 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
In rec.arts.drwho on Sun, 25 Sep 2011 22:22:37 +0100, Legend-11
Post by Legend-11
Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
7/10 for that bag of old shite? WAY too generous.
Remember when the Cybermen were at least a little scary?
It was the bit in The Tenth Planet before one of them spoke, wasn't
it?
In New Who, they don't even need to speak to stop being scary. As soon
as they start doing their trademark formation clog-dance they become
laughable.
Cybermats have always been crap too, but I'll grant you that they were
a little less *un* scary before their teeth fell out and they had to
be fitted with giant dentures.
Post by Legend-11
Cybermen
stories in RTD/Tennant's era were [mostly] really grand and epic.
Or overblown and risible, to put it another way.
Post by Legend-11
That
was the James fucking Corden show, with the Cybermen relegated to
something that I have trouble even calling a plot device.
It's a shame the cybermen were in it, but Doctor Who won't be made if
the toys aren't sold, and the toys won't be sold if they're not
marketed.
James Corden was adequate. I understand that he's widely hated, but
I've never seen in him in anthing but Doctor Who. He was adequate in
The Lodger too.
Well, he's definitely burnt his bridges with the Star Trek franchise.
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Stephen Wilson
2011-09-26 17:04:27 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
James Corden was adequate. I understand that he's widely hated, but
I've never seen in him in anthing but Doctor Who. He was adequate in
The Lodger too.
Well, he's definitely burnt his bridges with the Star Trek franchise.
Don't know whether that's strictly true. Corden and Patrick Stewart had a
bit of a dig at each other. I doubt that Stewart has much influence on the
future of Star Trek these days...
john smith
2011-09-26 17:26:23 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
James Corden was adequate. I understand that he's widely hated, but
I've never seen in him in anthing but Doctor Who. He was adequate in
The Lodger too.
Well, he's definitely burnt his bridges with the Star Trek franchise.
Don't know whether that's strictly true. Corden and Patrick Stewart had a
bit of a dig at each other. I doubt that Stewart has much influence on the
future of Star Trek these days...
What future?
The Doctor
2011-09-26 22:08:29 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
James Corden was adequate. I understand that he's widely hated, but
I've never seen in him in anthing but Doctor Who. He was adequate in
The Lodger too.
Well, he's definitely burnt his bridges with the Star Trek franchise.
Don't know whether that's strictly true. Corden and Patrick Stewart had a
bit of a dig at each other. I doubt that Stewart has much influence on the
future of Star Trek these days...
What future?
Just reboot that ignore Whare No Man Has Gone Before.
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The Doctor
2011-09-26 22:04:11 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
James Corden was adequate. I understand that he's widely hated, but
I've never seen in him in anthing but Doctor Who. He was adequate in
The Lodger too.
Well, he's definitely burnt his bridges with the Star Trek franchise.
Don't know whether that's strictly true. Corden and Patrick Stewart had a
bit of a dig at each other. I doubt that Stewart has much influence on the
future of Star Trek these days...
Bakula might even moreso.
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The Doctor
2011-09-26 12:51:14 UTC
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In rec.arts.drwho on Sun, 25 Sep 2011 22:22:37 +0100, Legend-11
Post by Legend-11
Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
7/10 for that bag of old shite? WAY too generous.
Remember when the Cybermen were at least a little scary?
It was the bit in The Tenth Planet before one of them spoke, wasn't
it?
In New Who, they don't even need to speak to stop being scary. As soon
as they start doing their trademark formation clog-dance they become
laughable.
Cybermats have always been crap too, but I'll grant you that they were
a little less *un* scary before their teeth fell out and they had to
be fitted with giant dentures.
Post by Legend-11
Cybermen
stories in RTD/Tennant's era were [mostly] really grand and epic.
Or overblown and risible, to put it another way.
Post by Legend-11
That
was the James fucking Corden show, with the Cybermen relegated to
something that I have trouble even calling a plot device.
It's a shame the cybermen were in it, but Doctor Who won't be made if
the toys aren't sold, and the toys won't be sold if they're not
marketed.
James Corden was adequate. I understand that he's widely hated, but
I've never seen in him in anthing but Doctor Who. He was adequate in
The Lodger too.
But if only he'd gone away for the week-end and left Daisy Haggard to
be the temporary companion...
Post by Legend-11
We're approaching the end of the second series of the Moffat/Smith era
and rarely have I experienced being on the edge of my seat and really
excited, which happened for me almost on a weekly basis during the
RTD/Tennant era. Only The Silence have really done it for me as regards
a 'big bad', so I'm holding out some hope for the finale at least.
However, I'm growing increasingly cheesed off with the man who has given
us little more than United Colours of Benetton Daleks and turned the
Cybermen into bit-part players. Which even I'm surprised about as
Moffat's writing input under RTD was spectacularly good.
He was told what to do under RTD.
Post by Legend-11
I hope the finale is good, but at least I have my series 1-4 DVD's to
fall back on.
Although I enjoyed both Closing Time and The Lodger, I much preferred
Gareth Roberts's scripts for RTD. Having somebody competent in charge
of the show really makes a difference. (RTD v Moffatt is beginning to
look like Hinchcliffe v JNT in that respect.)
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Soze
2011-10-02 11:30:27 UTC
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7/10 .
7/10 for that bag of old shite? WAY too generous.
Remember when the Cybermen were at least a little scary? Cybermen stories
in RTD/Tennant's era were [mostly] really grand and epic. That was the
James fucking Corden show, with the Cybermen relegated to something that I
have trouble even calling a plot device.
We're approaching the end of the second series of the Moffat/Smith era and
rarely have I experienced being on the edge of my seat and really excited,
which happened for me almost on a weekly basis during the RTD/Tennant era.
Only The Silence have really done it for me as regards a 'big bad', so I'm
holding out some hope for the finale at least. However, I'm growing
increasingly cheesed off with the man who has given us little more than
United Colours of Benetton Daleks and turned the Cybermen into bit-part
players. Which even I'm surprised about as Moffat's writing input under RTD
was spectacularly good.
I hope the finale is good, but at least I have my series 1-4 DVD's to fall
back on.
The cybermen were pretty crap in RTD's time too. They were buffoons in the
Xmas special and slaughtered as an afterthought by the daleks in the episode
before. The original RTD story was reasonably decent but I don't think the
cybermen have been well represented since. In fairness there weren't that
many great cybermen stories in the original series either...Tomb, Invasion,
Earthshock...that's about it.
Wouter Valentijn
2011-10-02 11:48:38 UTC
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The cybermen were pretty crap in RTD's time too. They were buffoons in the
Xmas special and slaughtered as an afterthought by the daleks in the
episode before. The original RTD story was reasonably decent but I don't
think the cybermen have been well represented since. In fairness there
weren't that many great cybermen stories in the original series
either...Tomb, Invasion, Earthshock...that's about it.
I loved this one:

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Revenge_of_the_Cybermen
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solar penguin
2011-10-02 14:13:13 UTC
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In fairness there weren't that
many great cybermen stories in the original series either...
Close, but no cigar. You need to remove "that m" from your sentence
before it's right.
Post by Soze
Tomb, Invasion,
Earthshock...that's about it.
No, not even those.
The Doctor
2011-10-02 20:01:38 UTC
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Post by Soze
In fairness there weren't that
many great cybermen stories in the original series either...
Close, but no cigar. You need to remove "that m" from your sentence
before it's right.
Post by Soze
Tomb, Invasion,
Earthshock...that's about it.
No, not even those.
Not a cyberman fan SP?
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john smith
2011-10-02 15:47:37 UTC
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7/10 .
7/10 for that bag of old shite? WAY too generous.
Remember when the Cybermen were at least a little scary? Cybermen stories
in RTD/Tennant's era were [mostly] really grand and epic. That was the
James fucking Corden show, with the Cybermen relegated to something that I
have trouble even calling a plot device.
We're approaching the end of the second series of the Moffat/Smith era and
rarely have I experienced being on the edge of my seat and really excited,
which happened for me almost on a weekly basis during the RTD/Tennant era.
Only The Silence have really done it for me as regards a 'big bad', so I'm
holding out some hope for the finale at least. However, I'm growing
increasingly cheesed off with the man who has given us little more than
United Colours of Benetton Daleks and turned the Cybermen into bit-part
players. Which even I'm surprised about as Moffat's writing input under
RTD was spectacularly good.
I hope the finale is good, but at least I have my series 1-4 DVD's to fall
back on.
The cybermen were pretty crap in RTD's time too. They were buffoons in the
Xmas special and slaughtered as an afterthought by the daleks in the
episode before. The original RTD story was reasonably decent but I don't
think the cybermen have been well represented since. In fairness there
weren't that many great cybermen stories in the original series
either...Tomb, Invasion, Earthshock...that's about it.
"Earthshock" is great - I remember I even made a cassette tape of it to
listen to, I was such a saddo in those days...
The Doctor
2011-10-02 20:03:45 UTC
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Post by Soze
Post by The Doctor
7/10 .
7/10 for that bag of old shite? WAY too generous.
Remember when the Cybermen were at least a little scary? Cybermen stories
in RTD/Tennant's era were [mostly] really grand and epic. That was the
James fucking Corden show, with the Cybermen relegated to something that I
have trouble even calling a plot device.
We're approaching the end of the second series of the Moffat/Smith era and
rarely have I experienced being on the edge of my seat and really excited,
which happened for me almost on a weekly basis during the RTD/Tennant era.
Only The Silence have really done it for me as regards a 'big bad', so I'm
holding out some hope for the finale at least. However, I'm growing
increasingly cheesed off with the man who has given us little more than
United Colours of Benetton Daleks and turned the Cybermen into bit-part
players. Which even I'm surprised about as Moffat's writing input under
RTD was spectacularly good.
I hope the finale is good, but at least I have my series 1-4 DVD's to fall
back on.
The cybermen were pretty crap in RTD's time too. They were buffoons in the
Xmas special and slaughtered as an afterthought by the daleks in the
episode before. The original RTD story was reasonably decent but I don't
think the cybermen have been well represented since. In fairness there
weren't that many great cybermen stories in the original series
either...Tomb, Invasion, Earthshock...that's about it.
"Earthshock" is great - I remember I even made a cassette tape of it to
listen to, I was such a saddo in those days...
You still are a saddo js.
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