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The Doctor
2011-08-28 01:22:47 UTC
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8/10 .

I loved this!!

Twists and turns that makes RTD look like an amateur.

Who would have thought that cousin MEl was Amy and Rory's daughter.

Who are these justice time travelelrs?

Will they be back.

Hitler to be killed? History would be messed up!

And River Song going nuts in a regen scene
add to that her murderous kisses!!

So the Doctr did get River to realise who she is.

Guess what. River is explained!

As for the Doctor, what will happen?

The Silence? A religious order? Hmmm!!

Headless monks.

And will the Time Lords be back?

Still River Song is the Child of the TARDIS.

Add to that the Flesh is still about.

Something is leading to a climax.
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Arthur Lipscomb
2011-08-28 02:36:57 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
8/10 .
I loved this!!
It was better than I thought it might be.
Post by The Doctor
Twists and turns that makes RTD look like an amateur.
Who would have thought that cousin MEl was Amy and Rory's daughter.
I know she said Amy raised her, but who were her parents? Where did she
come from? At what point was she brainwashed.
Post by The Doctor
Who are these justice time travelelrs?
Did they indicate that they were the *only* ones?
Post by The Doctor
Will they be back.
Hitler to be killed? History would be messed up!
They said they took people at the end of their lives. But how
incomplete are their records if they couldn't tell the difference
between 1938 Berlin and 1944 Berlin?
Post by The Doctor
And River Song going nuts in a regen scene
add to that her murderous kisses!!
So the Doctr did get River to realise who she is.
Guess what. River is explained!
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's part
Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
Post by The Doctor
As for the Doctor, what will happen?
The Silence? A religious order? Hmmm!!
Headless monks.
And will the Time Lords be back?
Still River Song is the Child of the TARDIS.
Add to that the Flesh is still about.
In 1938 so were the Silence.
Post by The Doctor
Something is leading to a climax.
The Doctor
2011-08-28 03:29:47 UTC
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Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by The Doctor
8/10 .
I loved this!!
It was better than I thought it might be.
Post by The Doctor
Twists and turns that makes RTD look like an amateur.
Who would have thought that cousin MEl was Amy and Rory's daughter.
I know she said Amy raised her, but who were her parents? Where did she
come from? At what point was she brainwashed.
When she was removed from Demon's Run.

The Doctor did have all summer.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by The Doctor
Who are these justice time travelelrs?
Did they indicate that they were the *only* ones?
Mother Ship is a hint.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by The Doctor
Will they be back.
Hitler to be killed? History would be messed up!
They said they took people at the end of their lives. But how
incomplete are their records if they couldn't tell the difference
between 1938 Berlin and 1944 Berlin?
And 1945 Berlin.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by The Doctor
And River Song going nuts in a regen scene
add to that her murderous kisses!!
So the Doctr did get River to realise who she is.
Guess what. River is explained!
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's part
Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
She mind have been train to cluod her mind.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by The Doctor
As for the Doctor, what will happen?
The Silence? A religious order? Hmmm!!
Headless monks.
And will the Time Lords be back?
Still River Song is the Child of the TARDIS.
Add to that the Flesh is still about.
In 1938 so were the Silence.
10/10 .
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by The Doctor
Something is leading to a climax.
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Dano
2011-08-28 07:05:30 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
8/10 .
I loved this!!
It was better than I thought it might be.
Post by The Doctor
Twists and turns that makes RTD look like an amateur.
Who would have thought that cousin MEl was Amy and Rory's daughter.
I know she said Amy raised her, but who were her parents? Where did she
come from? At what point was she brainwashed.
Post by The Doctor
Who are these justice time travelelrs?
Did they indicate that they were the *only* ones?
Post by The Doctor
Will they be back.
Hitler to be killed? History would be messed up!
They said they took people at the end of their lives. But how
incomplete are their records if they couldn't tell the difference
between 1938 Berlin and 1944 Berlin?
Post by The Doctor
And River Song going nuts in a regen scene
add to that her murderous kisses!!
So the Doctr did get River to realise who she is.
Guess what. River is explained!
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's part
Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.

==================================

Not sure that my memory serves...but was Melody not conceived on board the
Tardis? I think that's a key.
Wouter Valentijn
2011-08-28 07:24:49 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
8/10 .
I loved this!!
Me too.

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Post by Arthur Lipscomb
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's
part Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
==================================
Not sure that my memory serves...but was Melody not conceived on
board the Tardis? I think that's a key.
Indeed.
At the moment of conception (the honeymoon of Amy and Rory Pond) she was
exposed to the Time Vortex.
And as she was raised as a weapon to be used against him, I'm sure the enemy
put some kind of cloak in place around the Time Lord aspect.
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The Doctor
2011-08-28 13:03:09 UTC
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Post by Wouter Valentijn
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by The Doctor
8/10 .
I loved this!!
Me too.
<snip>
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's
part Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
==================================
Not sure that my memory serves...but was Melody not conceived on
board the Tardis? I think that's a key.
Indeed.
At the moment of conception (the honeymoon of Amy and Rory Pond) she was
exposed to the Time Vortex.
And as she was raised as a weapon to be used against him, I'm sure the enemy
put some kind of cloak in place around the Time Lord aspect.
Call it mental training.
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The Doctor
2011-08-28 13:02:28 UTC
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Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by The Doctor
8/10 .
I loved this!!
It was better than I thought it might be.
There you go.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by The Doctor
Twists and turns that makes RTD look like an amateur.
Who would have thought that cousin MEl was Amy and Rory's daughter.
I know she said Amy raised her, but who were her parents? Where did she
come from? At what point was she brainwashed.
Probably after the Silence kipnapped Amy
and the pathcy eye took the baby away.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by The Doctor
Who are these justice time travelelrs?
Did they indicate that they were the *only* ones?
Mother ship.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by The Doctor
Will they be back.
Hitler to be killed? History would be messed up!
They said they took people at the end of their lives. But how
incomplete are their records if they couldn't tell the difference
between 1938 Berlin and 1944 Berlin?
What about 1945 Berlin.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by The Doctor
And River Song going nuts in a regen scene
add to that her murderous kisses!!
So the Doctr did get River to realise who she is.
Guess what. River is explained!
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's part
Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
Cloak trained.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
==================================
Not sure that my memory serves...but was Melody not conceived on board the
Tardis? I think that's a key.
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China Blue Tip Wrench
2011-08-28 11:00:57 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Guess what. River is explained!
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's part
Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
Why should she be part Time Lord? The Vortex alterred her human DNA the way it
alterred Gallyfrean DNA into Time Lords.
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The Doctor
2011-08-28 13:04:53 UTC
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Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by The Doctor
Guess what. River is explained!
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's part
Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
Why should she be part Time Lord? The Vortex alterred her human DNA the way it
alterred Gallyfrean DNA into Time Lords.
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Everyday my mind is all around you,| I'm whoever you want me to be.
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Day after day. | At least I can stay in character.
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Well there is an induction period for Gallifreyan to become Time Lords.
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john smith
2011-08-28 16:44:21 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Guess what. River is explained!
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's part
Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
Why should she be part Time Lord? The Vortex alterred her human DNA the way it
alterred Gallyfrean DNA into Time Lords.
So all Time Lords are the result of mutation now, are they? Bleh!

The opening scene was good, but then - when they cut to that cheap crappy
overhead shot showing 'Doctor' written in the corn - my heart sank. I
thought the episode was Moffat's usual contrived bollocks. I couldn't give
a shit about River Song anyway... the whole thing was just so many rabbits
pulled out of hats...

Thank God next week's episode is a stand-alone story. It looks nice and
creepy, plus it has that newish actor Daniel Mays ("Red Riding", "Ashes to
Ashes", "The Street") playing the dad. At least he can act...
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Ross
2011-08-28 17:38:34 UTC
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Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Guess what.  River is explained!
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's part
Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
Why should she be part Time Lord? The Vortex alterred her human DNA the way it
alterred Gallyfrean DNA into Time Lords.
So all Time Lords are the result of mutation now, are they?  Bleh!
Yes. Exactly the same way that all humans are the result of mutation.
Random mutations, naturally selected for over many many generations.
It's called "evolution".

(River, due to being conceived in the TARDIS, suffered some kind of
mutation which has some similarity to the pattern of selective
adaptations that occurred on gallifrey as life there was exposed to
the untempered schism over millions of years. Vastra suggests that
Madame Korven and her band did further manipulation to Melody in utero
to reinforce and enhance those mutations)
Adam H. Kerman
2011-08-28 18:13:36 UTC
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Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Guess what. River is explained!
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's part
Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
Why should she be part Time Lord? The Vortex alterred her human DNA
the way it alterred Gallyfrean DNA into Time Lords.
So all Time Lords are the result of mutation now, are they? Bleh!
Yes. Exactly the same way that all humans are the result of mutation.
Random mutations, naturally selected for over many many generations.
It's called "evolution".
Yeah, it's a fabulous analogy, except that we don't live inches from the
source of mutation. That doesn't explain how Gallyfreans were well suited
to live with life-long exposure to the time vortex in the first place,
let alone how they developed technology to manipulate it.

We don't know if regeneration came before or after.

Remind me again why Matt Smith's regeneration was blocked, except that
he had signed his contract.
Anim8rFSK
2011-08-28 20:40:52 UTC
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Post by Ross
Post by China Blue Tip Wrench
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Guess what. River is explained!
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's part
Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
Why should she be part Time Lord? The Vortex alterred her human DNA
the way it alterred Gallyfrean DNA into Time Lords.
So all Time Lords are the result of mutation now, are they? Bleh!
Yes. Exactly the same way that all humans are the result of mutation.
Random mutations, naturally selected for over many many generations.
It's called "evolution".
Yeah, it's a fabulous analogy, except that we don't live inches from the
source of mutation. That doesn't explain how Gallyfreans were well suited
to live with life-long exposure to the time vortex in the first place,
let alone how they developed technology to manipulate it.
We don't know if regeneration came before or after.
Remind me again why Matt Smith's regeneration was blocked, except that
he had signed his contract.
The TARDIS vocal interface just said so, and he took her at her word.
No explanation beyond that.

Apparently he thinks he has another regeneration left (and there is some
limit on them still; River had it, although they didn't say what it was)
but of course he CAN'T regenerate since he's going to die in this form.

Wouldn't it have been nice if they'd had the interface be played by the
actress that WAS the TARDIS? Not that I objected to seeing Martha and
Rose again, albeit briefly. Fanwank would be that River got in and did
something.
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john smith
2011-08-28 20:28:10 UTC
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Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Guess what. River is explained!
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's part
Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
Why should she be part Time Lord? The Vortex alterred her human DNA the way it
alterred Gallyfrean DNA into Time Lords.
So all Time Lords are the result of mutation now, are they? Bleh!
Yes. Exactly the same way that all humans are the result of mutation.
Random mutations, naturally selected for over many many generations.
It's called "evolution".



Exactly - "over many generations" - not coz their mum and dad shagged while
they were in the time vortex!




(River, due to being conceived in the TARDIS, suffered some kind of
mutation which has some similarity to the pattern of selective
adaptations that occurred on gallifrey as life there was exposed to
the untempered schism over millions of years.


Exactly - "over millions of years"!



Vastra suggests that
Madame Korven and her band did further manipulation to Melody in utero
to reinforce and enhance those mutations)
Andy Leighton
2011-08-28 19:23:50 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 17:44:21 +0100,
Post by john smith
Thank God next week's episode is a stand-alone story. It looks nice and
creepy, plus it has that newish actor Daniel Mays ("Red Riding", "Ashes to
Ashes", "The Street") playing the dad. At least he can act...
Hmm, did you see Outcasts?
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john smith
2011-08-28 20:29:22 UTC
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Post by Andy Leighton
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 17:44:21 +0100,
Post by john smith
Thank God next week's episode is a stand-alone story. It looks nice and
creepy, plus it has that newish actor Daniel Mays ("Red Riding", "Ashes to
Ashes", "The Street") playing the dad. At least he can act...
Hmm, did you see Outcasts?
No, it looked shit. Why? Was his acting crap in that?
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Monsieur Tabernac
2011-08-28 21:00:16 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 17:44:21 +0100, "john smith"
Post by john smith
The opening scene was good, but then - when they cut to that cheap crappy
overhead shot showing 'Doctor' written in the corn - my heart sank. I
thought the episode was Moffat's usual contrived bollocks. I couldn't give
a shit about River Song anyway... the whole thing was just so many rabbits
pulled out of hats...
I think the problem I have with much of SM's Who is that I don't care
at all about River, Rory, Amy or their miserable baby so all of this
"drama" leaves me cold. However, I can see how viewers could be
greatly enjoying it all, as long as they cared about the characters.
China Blue Tip Wrench
2011-08-28 22:07:22 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Guess what. River is explained!
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's part
Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
Why should she be part Time Lord? The Vortex alterred her human DNA the way it
alterred Gallyfrean DNA into Time Lords.
So all Time Lords are the result of mutation now, are they? Bleh!
Everyone after the primorial ooze is the result of mutation.
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Looking out from my lonely room | Annoying Usenet one post at a time.
Day after day. | At least I can stay in character.
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cloud dreamer
2011-08-28 11:59:35 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
8/10 .
I know she said Amy raised her, but who were her parents? Where did she
come from? At what point was she brainwashed.
Obviously she was brainwashed as a toddler then placed with adoptive
parents near Amy....by whom remains the question.
Post by The Doctor
Who are these justice time travelelrs?
New guys.
Did they indicate that they were the *only* ones?
No. They are not alone.
Post by The Doctor
Will they be back.
Probably.
I'm still not clear on how she's part Time Lord or why since she's part
Time Lord the Doctor couldn't sense her.
They explained it because she was conceived aboard the TARDIS.


Moffat is pure genius.

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Charles E. Hardwidge
2011-08-28 13:12:27 UTC
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Post by cloud dreamer
Moffat is pure genius.
Sorry, I missed the memo on that one.
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