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Doctor Who The Woman Who Fell to Earth review with spoilers
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The True Doctor
2018-10-11 20:46:05 UTC
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What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up their minds
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever get close,
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to bash those
stories by the time they did come around.
Not just that there were made a generation or two ago in TV times.
TV drama is just not shot or structured like that anymore. Having
To its detriment. It become totally plot-less and unwatchable.
re-watched The War Games recently (on the Twitch marathon) I don't
want stories structured like The War Games. Tomb was replete with
not-so-subtle racism and a load of idiotic plotting which just didn't
make sense.
Wrong! These stories were written as serials. Modern drama, if you can
call it that, is written as soap opera. It no longer has a plot, it's no
longer about new concepts and ideas, there is no credible romance in it,
there is no credible dialogue in it which conveys the story and the plot
in a concisely, but it's just people having pointless idiotic everyday
conversions to fill time, and then everything that should have been
shown actually happening, which should have been the object of
communication is revealed just before the end as happening off screen,
in a throw away line. And the reason for this terrible writing because
the education system has gone completely down the toilet, with the
classics from which all the great writers learned from, being removed
from the curriculum in state schools, and replaced with trash and
garbage equivalent to modern art.
The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:15:53 UTC
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Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
Whereas your idea of suitable is, what - yourself?

Let's see.

Aggy's professionally published output = 0
Aggy's professionally scripts = 0
Aggy's involvement in professional TV = 0
Aggy's ability as a professional writer = 0

Just some of Chris Chibnall's professional experience:
Life On Mars - writer of 2 episodes
Torchwood - writer of 8 episodes
Doctor Who - writer of 5 episodes (prior to 2018)
Law and Order - writer of 6 episodes
Broadchurch - creator

And Chibnall's first episode as showrunner has eclipsed all of Moffat's in
terms of overnight ratings and positive reviews.

Ultimately though, nobody cares what you think, Aggy. Nobody cares what your
lapdog (Yads) thinks. Chibnall doesn't care. The BBC doesn't care. I don't
care. radw doesn't care.

You're hooked on it, no matter what you say. You're going to watch the next
story, no matter what you say. And you can criticise it all you like. Nobody
cares. Unlike you (and Yads) - if we thought it was rubbish we'd stop
watching.

You can twist the facts all you like, Aggy. You can rant and rave all you
like. Your opinion has no impact. The only one who loses out is you.
The True Doctor
2018-10-11 21:53:47 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
Whereas your idea of suitable is, what - yourself?
Let's see.
Aggy's professionally published output = 0
Aggy's professionally scripts = 0
Aggy's involvement in professional TV = 0
Aggy's ability as a professional writer = 0
Professional Proshmessinal.

I've published over two dozen outlines for Doctor Who stories on this
forum including scene by scene outlines for one complete 14 part series
with Christmas special and 1 female Doctor story; also 6 other female
Doctor stories, and 6 parts of an epic Doctor Who serial. On top of that
1 full script.

What have you published?
Post by The Other Doctor
Life On Mars - writer of 2 episodes
Torchwood - writer of 8 episodes
Doctor Who - writer of 5 episodes (prior to 2018)
Law and Order - writer of 6 episodes
Broadchurch - creator
And all of them had one thing in common, apart from being mostly
rubbish. They all sought to demean, demonize, or humiliate men.
Post by The Other Doctor
And Chibnall's first episode as showrunner has eclipsed all of Moffat's in
terms of overnight ratings and positive reviews.
People are stupid. The final episode of Bodyguard was complete and utter
garbage, and yet more people watched it, all because of the media hype.
Post by The Other Doctor
Ultimately though, nobody cares what you think, Aggy. Nobody cares what your
lapdog (Yads) thinks. Chibnall doesn't care. The BBC doesn't care. I don't
care. radw doesn't care.
The BBC will soon start caring when it has had its license fee
abolished, and I and other fans refuse to buy any of its Doctor Who
merchandise.
Post by The Other Doctor
You're hooked on it, no matter what you say. You're going to watch the next
story, no matter what you say. And you can criticise it all you like. Nobody
cares. Unlike you (and Yads) - if we thought it was rubbish we'd stop
watching.
You can twist the facts all you like, Aggy. You can rant and rave all you
like. Your opinion has no impact. The only one who loses out is you.
The one who loses out is the BBC. I will not be spending my money with them.
The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 22:05:43 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
Whereas your idea of suitable is, what - yourself?
Let's see.
Aggy's professionally published output = 0
Aggy's professionally scripts = 0
Aggy's involvement in professional TV = 0
Aggy's ability as a professional writer = 0
Professional Proshmessinal.
I've published over two dozen outlines for Doctor Who stories on this
forum including scene by scene outlines for one complete 14 part series
with Christmas special and 1 female Doctor story; also 6 other female
Doctor stories, and 6 parts of an epic Doctor Who serial. On top of that 1
full script.
And not a single person would pay you for any of it.
Post by The True Doctor
What have you published?
I'm not a writer. I don't pretend I could do a better job than the
professionals. I think I could do better than you though. I'm also not a
professional musician. Yet I have had a number of songs released on CD -
both as arranger and performer. So I think my success in the entertainment
industry eclipses yours.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Life On Mars - writer of 2 episodes
Torchwood - writer of 8 episodes
Doctor Who - writer of 5 episodes (prior to 2018)
Law and Order - writer of 6 episodes
Broadchurch - creator
And all of them had one thing in common, apart from being mostly rubbish.
They all sought to demean, demonize, or humiliate men.
But only in your tiny mind.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
And Chibnall's first episode as showrunner has eclipsed all of Moffat's in
terms of overnight ratings and positive reviews.
People are stupid. The final episode of Bodyguard was complete and utter
garbage, and yet more people watched it, all because of the media hype.
"People are stupid". And they don't come miuch more stupid than you and
Yads...
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Ultimately though, nobody cares what you think, Aggy. Nobody cares what your
lapdog (Yads) thinks. Chibnall doesn't care. The BBC doesn't care. I don't
care. radw doesn't care.
The BBC will soon start caring when it has had its license fee abolished,
and I and other fans refuse to buy any of its Doctor Who merchandise.
That's because you don't have a proper job. So you can't afford to.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
You're hooked on it, no matter what you say. You're going to watch the next
story, no matter what you say. And you can criticise it all you like. Nobody
cares. Unlike you (and Yads) - if we thought it was rubbish we'd stop
watching.
You can twist the facts all you like, Aggy. You can rant and rave all you
like. Your opinion has no impact. The only one who loses out is you.
The one who loses out is the BBC. I will not be spending my money with them.
You never have, Aggy. You live with your parents. I expect they pay for a TV
license on your behalf.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:10:19 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
Whereas your idea of suitable is, what - yourself?
Let's see.
Aggy's professionally published output = 0
Aggy's professionally scripts = 0
Aggy's involvement in professional TV = 0
Aggy's ability as a professional writer = 0
Professional Proshmessinal.
I've published over two dozen outlines for Doctor Who stories on this
forum including scene by scene outlines for one complete 14 part series
with Christmas special and 1 female Doctor story; also 6 other female
Doctor stories, and 6 parts of an epic Doctor Who serial. On top of that 1
full script.
And not a single person would pay you for any of it.
Post by The True Doctor
What have you published?
I'm not a writer. I don't pretend I could do a better job than the
professionals. I think I could do better than you though. I'm also not a
professional musician. Yet I have had a number of songs released on CD -
both as arranger and performer. So I think my success in the entertainment
industry eclipses yours.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Life On Mars - writer of 2 episodes
Torchwood - writer of 8 episodes
Doctor Who - writer of 5 episodes (prior to 2018)
Law and Order - writer of 6 episodes
Broadchurch - creator
And all of them had one thing in common, apart from being mostly rubbish.
They all sought to demean, demonize, or humiliate men.
But only in your tiny mind.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
And Chibnall's first episode as showrunner has eclipsed all of Moffat's in
terms of overnight ratings and positive reviews.
People are stupid. The final episode of Bodyguard was complete and utter
garbage, and yet more people watched it, all because of the media hype.
"People are stupid". And they don't come miuch more stupid than you and
Yads...
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Ultimately though, nobody cares what you think, Aggy. Nobody cares what your
lapdog (Yads) thinks. Chibnall doesn't care. The BBC doesn't care. I don't
care. radw doesn't care.
The BBC will soon start caring when it has had its license fee abolished,
and I and other fans refuse to buy any of its Doctor Who merchandise.
That's because you don't have a proper job. So you can't afford to.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
You're hooked on it, no matter what you say. You're going to watch the next
story, no matter what you say. And you can criticise it all you like. Nobody
cares. Unlike you (and Yads) - if we thought it was rubbish we'd stop
watching.
You can twist the facts all you like, Aggy. You can rant and rave all you
like. Your opinion has no impact. The only one who loses out is you.
The one who loses out is the BBC. I will not be spending my money with them.
You never have, Aggy. You live with your parents. I expect they pay for a TV
license on your behalf.
Wait until the TV License is a thing of the past.
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The True Doctor
2018-10-11 22:28:28 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
Whereas your idea of suitable is, what - yourself?
Let's see.
Aggy's professionally published output = 0
Aggy's professionally scripts = 0
Aggy's involvement in professional TV = 0
Aggy's ability as a professional writer = 0
Professional Proshmessinal.
I've published over two dozen outlines for Doctor Who stories on this
forum including scene by scene outlines for one complete 14 part series
with Christmas special and 1 female Doctor story; also 6 other female
Doctor stories, and 6 parts of an epic Doctor Who serial. On top of that 1
full script.
And not a single person would pay you for any of it.
Money isn't everything. Just how shallow can you be?
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
What have you published?
I'm not a writer. I don't pretend I could do a better job than the
professionals. I think I could do better than you though. I'm also not a
professional musician. Yet I have had a number of songs released on CD -
both as arranger and performer. So I think my success in the entertainment
industry eclipses yours.
That is only part of the entertainment industry.
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Life On Mars - writer of 2 episodes
Torchwood - writer of 8 episodes
Doctor Who - writer of 5 episodes (prior to 2018)
Law and Order - writer of 6 episodes
Broadchurch - creator
And all of them had one thing in common, apart from being mostly rubbish.
They all sought to demean, demonize, or humiliate men.
But only in your tiny mind.
No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3dU2RmLX6c
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
And Chibnall's first episode as showrunner has eclipsed all of Moffat's in
terms of overnight ratings and positive reviews.
People are stupid. The final episode of Bodyguard was complete and utter
garbage, and yet more people watched it, all because of the media hype.
"People are stupid". And they don't come miuch more stupid than you and
Yads...
You are the one who is stupid by thinking that.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:39:21 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
Whereas your idea of suitable is, what - yourself?
Let's see.
Aggy's professionally published output = 0
Aggy's professionally scripts = 0
Aggy's involvement in professional TV = 0
Aggy's ability as a professional writer = 0
Professional Proshmessinal.
I've published over two dozen outlines for Doctor Who stories on this
forum including scene by scene outlines for one complete 14 part series
with Christmas special and 1 female Doctor story; also 6 other female
Doctor stories, and 6 parts of an epic Doctor Who serial. On top of that 1
full script.
And not a single person would pay you for any of it.
Money isn't everything. Just how shallow can you be?
SW is extremely shallow and insane.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
What have you published?
I'm not a writer. I don't pretend I could do a better job than the
professionals. I think I could do better than you though. I'm also not a
professional musician. Yet I have had a number of songs released on CD -
both as arranger and performer. So I think my success in the entertainment
industry eclipses yours.
That is only part of the entertainment industry.
Can SW act?
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Life On Mars - writer of 2 episodes
Torchwood - writer of 8 episodes
Doctor Who - writer of 5 episodes (prior to 2018)
Law and Order - writer of 6 episodes
Broadchurch - creator
And all of them had one thing in common, apart from being mostly rubbish.
They all sought to demean, demonize, or humiliate men.
But only in your tiny mind.
No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3dU2RmLX6c
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
And Chibnall's first episode as showrunner has eclipsed all of Moffat's in
terms of overnight ratings and positive reviews.
People are stupid. The final episode of Bodyguard was complete and utter
garbage, and yet more people watched it, all because of the media hype.
"People are stupid". And they don't come miuch more stupid than you and
Yads...
You are the one who is stupid by thinking that.
SW needs serious help!
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Idlehands
2018-10-12 05:26:28 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
Whereas your idea of suitable is, what - yourself?
Let's see.
Aggy's professionally published output = 0
Aggy's professionally scripts = 0
Aggy's involvement in professional TV = 0
Aggy's ability as a professional writer = 0
Professional Proshmessinal.
I've published over two dozen outlines for Doctor Who stories on this
forum including scene by scene outlines for one complete 14 part series
with Christmas special and 1 female Doctor story; also 6 other female
Doctor stories, and 6 parts of an epic Doctor Who serial. On top of that 1
full script.
And not a single person would pay you for any of it.
I love how he considers posting here as being "published", by that
"thinking" we are all published authors.

<CHOP OF AGGY FROTH>
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divine reward then, brother, that person is a piece of shit"
Rustin Cohle
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:08:33 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
Whereas your idea of suitable is, what - yourself?
Let's see.
Aggy's professionally published output = 0
Aggy's professionally scripts = 0
Aggy's involvement in professional TV = 0
Aggy's ability as a professional writer = 0
Professional Proshmessinal.
I've published over two dozen outlines for Doctor Who stories on this
forum including scene by scene outlines for one complete 14 part series
with Christmas special and 1 female Doctor story; also 6 other female
Doctor stories, and 6 parts of an epic Doctor Who serial. On top of that
1 full script.
What have you published?
Wilson? Nothing!
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Life On Mars - writer of 2 episodes
Torchwood - writer of 8 episodes
Doctor Who - writer of 5 episodes (prior to 2018)
Law and Order - writer of 6 episodes
Broadchurch - creator
And all of them had one thing in common, apart from being mostly
rubbish. They all sought to demean, demonize, or humiliate men.
Wilson is such a human.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
And Chibnall's first episode as showrunner has eclipsed all of Moffat's in
terms of overnight ratings and positive reviews.
People are stupid. The final episode of Bodyguard was complete and utter
garbage, and yet more people watched it, all because of the media hype.
And the ending was extremely rushed.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Ultimately though, nobody cares what you think, Aggy. Nobody cares what your
lapdog (Yads) thinks. Chibnall doesn't care. The BBC doesn't care. I don't
care. radw doesn't care.
The BBC will soon start caring when it has had its license fee
abolished, and I and other fans refuse to buy any of its Doctor Who
merchandise.
And see deficit after deficit.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
You're hooked on it, no matter what you say. You're going to watch the next
story, no matter what you say. And you can criticise it all you like. Nobody
cares. Unlike you (and Yads) - if we thought it was rubbish we'd stop
watching.
You can twist the facts all you like, Aggy. You can rant and rave all you
like. Your opinion has no impact. The only one who loses out is you.
The one who loses out is the BBC. I will not be spending my money with them.
Same here!
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Mister E.
2018-10-11 23:33:06 UTC
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I've published over two dozen outlines for Doctor Who stories on this forum
including scene by scene outlines for one complete 14 part series with
Christmas special and 1 female Doctor story; also 6 other female Doctor
stories, and 6 parts of an epic Doctor Who serial. On top of that 1 full
script.
So you're saying you never published anything outside of this forum?
The True Doctor
2018-10-12 00:58:28 UTC
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Post by Mister E.
Post by The True Doctor
I've published over two dozen outlines for Doctor Who stories on this
forum including scene by scene outlines for one complete 14 part
series with Christmas special and 1 female Doctor story; also 6 other
female Doctor stories, and 6 parts of an epic Doctor Who serial. On
top of that 1 full script.
So you're saying you never published anything outside of this forum?
No, I have submissions and contributions published by parliament and
elsewhere.
The Doctor
2018-10-12 05:39:08 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by Mister E.
Post by The True Doctor
I've published over two dozen outlines for Doctor Who stories on this
forum including scene by scene outlines for one complete 14 part
series with Christmas special and 1 female Doctor story; also 6 other
female Doctor stories, and 6 parts of an epic Doctor Who serial. On
top of that 1 full script.
So you're saying you never published anything outside of this forum?
No, I have submissions and contributions published by parliament and
elsewhere.
Who is the mysterious Mister E?
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:03:15 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
Whereas your idea of suitable is, what - yourself?
Let's see.
Aggy's professionally published output = 0
Aggy's professionally scripts = 0
Aggy's involvement in professional TV = 0
Aggy's ability as a professional writer = 0
Life On Mars - writer of 2 episodes
Torchwood - writer of 8 episodes
Doctor Who - writer of 5 episodes (prior to 2018)
Law and Order - writer of 6 episodes
Broadchurch - creator
And Chibnall's first episode as showrunner has eclipsed all of Moffat's in
terms of overnight ratings and positive reviews.
Ultimately though, nobody cares what you think, Aggy. Nobody cares what your
lapdog (Yads) thinks. Chibnall doesn't care. The BBC doesn't care. I don't
care. radw doesn't care.
You're hooked on it, no matter what you say. You're going to watch the next
story, no matter what you say. And you can criticise it all you like. Nobody
cares. Unlike you (and Yads) - if we thought it was rubbish we'd stop
watching.
You can twist the facts all you like, Aggy. You can rant and rave all you
like. Your opinion has no impact. The only one who loses out is you.
You
Wilson have no shred of sanity!
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The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:19:00 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up their minds
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever get close,
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to bash those
stories by the time they did come around.
Not just that there were made a generation or two ago in TV times.
TV drama is just not shot or structured like that anymore. Having
To its detriment. It become totally plot-less and unwatchable.
re-watched The War Games recently (on the Twitch marathon) I don't
want stories structured like The War Games. Tomb was replete with
not-so-subtle racism and a load of idiotic plotting which just didn't
make sense.
Wrong! These stories were written as serials. Modern drama, if you can
call it that, is written as soap opera. It no longer has a plot, it's no
longer about new concepts and ideas, there is no credible romance in it,
there is no credible dialogue in it which conveys the story and the plot
in a concisely, but it's just people having pointless idiotic everyday
conversions to fill time, and then everything that should have been shown
actually happening, which should have been the object of communication is
revealed just before the end as happening off screen, in a throw away
line. And the reason for this terrible writing because the education
system has gone completely down the toilet, with the classics from which
all the great writers learned from, being removed from the curriculum in
state schools, and replaced with trash and garbage equivalent to modern
art.
Keep telling yourself that. It won't make it true. But if it makes you feel
better, go for it.

You could stick to watching videos from the 1960s. You claim to hate
everything that is modern. You watch it anyway. Don't you think that's
rather sad?
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:03:39 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up their minds
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever get close,
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to bash those
stories by the time they did come around.
Not just that there were made a generation or two ago in TV times.
TV drama is just not shot or structured like that anymore. Having
To its detriment. It become totally plot-less and unwatchable.
re-watched The War Games recently (on the Twitch marathon) I don't
want stories structured like The War Games. Tomb was replete with
not-so-subtle racism and a load of idiotic plotting which just didn't
make sense.
Wrong! These stories were written as serials. Modern drama, if you can
call it that, is written as soap opera. It no longer has a plot, it's no
longer about new concepts and ideas, there is no credible romance in it,
there is no credible dialogue in it which conveys the story and the plot
in a concisely, but it's just people having pointless idiotic everyday
conversions to fill time, and then everything that should have been shown
actually happening, which should have been the object of communication is
revealed just before the end as happening off screen, in a throw away
line. And the reason for this terrible writing because the education
system has gone completely down the toilet, with the classics from which
all the great writers learned from, being removed from the curriculum in
state schools, and replaced with trash and garbage equivalent to modern
art.
Keep telling yourself that. It won't make it true. But if it makes you feel
better, go for it.
You could stick to watching videos from the 1960s. You claim to hate
everything that is modern. You watch it anyway. Don't you think that's
rather sad?
You SW are sick in the head!
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The True Doctor
2018-10-11 21:17:58 UTC
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On Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:39:50 UTC+1, The True Doctor trolled...
On Wednesday, 10 October 2018 22:58:56 UTC+1, Aggy angrily argued...
Aggy, dear - almost everything you write is a work of fiction. And you
wouldn't know where to start when it comes to writing real characters.
You don't have a clue how to write anything that's convincing. My
characters reflect reality.
Reflect it in a distorting mirror, no doubt.
That would be Chibnall's reality, reality turned upside down and back to
front, so the world is run by women, and no one but women. Bodyguard has
shown us what to expect of the BBC's misandristic agenda. They don't
want any male viewers to watch anything on the station at all. Let's see
how they like it when the government abolishes the license fee.
I'm probably the only person in the country who hasn't seen
Bodyguard (neither the original Whitney Houston film, nor
this racist remake in which her character is replaced by
a white politician because we can't show blacks in
positions of power, can we?) so I can't judge how well
it was written.
But even if it didn't accurately reflect reality, that
still doesn't mean your writing does.
You missed Bodyguard Solar birdie?
He didn't miss much. It was sexist, and as he pointed out, racist garbage.
The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:31:05 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
On Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:39:50 UTC+1, The True Doctor trolled...
On Wednesday, 10 October 2018 22:58:56 UTC+1, Aggy angrily argued...
Aggy, dear - almost everything you write is a work of fiction. And you
wouldn't know where to start when it comes to writing real characters.
You don't have a clue how to write anything that's convincing. My
characters reflect reality.
Reflect it in a distorting mirror, no doubt.
That would be Chibnall's reality, reality turned upside down and back to
front, so the world is run by women, and no one but women. Bodyguard has
shown us what to expect of the BBC's misandristic agenda. They don't
want any male viewers to watch anything on the station at all. Let's see
how they like it when the government abolishes the license fee.
I'm probably the only person in the country who hasn't seen
Bodyguard (neither the original Whitney Houston film, nor
this racist remake in which her character is replaced by
a white politician because we can't show blacks in
positions of power, can we?) so I can't judge how well
it was written.
But even if it didn't accurately reflect reality, that
still doesn't mean your writing does.
You missed Bodyguard Solar birdie?
He didn't miss much. It was sexist, and as he pointed out, racist garbage.
I didn't watch it. But let's see the ratings on IMDB.
8.4/10.
Let's see how it performed in the ratings. Hmm. "Bodyguard sets amazing new
ratings record for BBC One" according to Digital Spy. "Bodyguard peaks with
10.4m viewers for series finale" according to the Guardian. "BBC One's
Bodyguard ends on a high and breaks BBC iPlayer records" according to the
BBC.

Looks like you're on your own there, Aggy. Just for a change, eh? Still, one
consolation. At least you've got Yads to lick your arse for you...
The True Doctor
2018-10-11 21:58:53 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
On Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:39:50 UTC+1, The True Doctor trolled...
On Wednesday, 10 October 2018 22:58:56 UTC+1, Aggy angrily argued...
Aggy, dear - almost everything you write is a work of fiction. And you
wouldn't know where to start when it comes to writing real characters.
You don't have a clue how to write anything that's convincing. My
characters reflect reality.
Reflect it in a distorting mirror, no doubt.
That would be Chibnall's reality, reality turned upside down and back to
front, so the world is run by women, and no one but women. Bodyguard has
shown us what to expect of the BBC's misandristic agenda. They don't
want any male viewers to watch anything on the station at all. Let's see
how they like it when the government abolishes the license fee.
I'm probably the only person in the country who hasn't seen
Bodyguard (neither the original Whitney Houston film, nor
this racist remake in which her character is replaced by
a white politician because we can't show blacks in
positions of power, can we?) so I can't judge how well
it was written.
But even if it didn't accurately reflect reality, that
still doesn't mean your writing does.
You missed Bodyguard Solar birdie?
He didn't miss much. It was sexist, and as he pointed out, racist garbage.
I didn't watch it. But let's see the ratings on IMDB.
8.4/10.
Let's see how it performed in the ratings. Hmm. "Bodyguard sets amazing new
ratings record for BBC One" according to Digital Spy. "Bodyguard peaks with
10.4m viewers for series finale" according to the Guardian. "BBC One's
Bodyguard ends on a high and breaks BBC iPlayer records" according to the
BBC.
I also watched the finale, well, technically it was on in the background
because it was mindbogglingly boring, so that doesn't change the fact
that it was garbage.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:22:51 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
On Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:39:50 UTC+1, The True Doctor trolled...
On Wednesday, 10 October 2018 22:58:56 UTC+1, Aggy angrily argued...
Aggy, dear - almost everything you write is a work of fiction. And you
wouldn't know where to start when it comes to writing real characters.
You don't have a clue how to write anything that's convincing. My
characters reflect reality.
Reflect it in a distorting mirror, no doubt.
That would be Chibnall's reality, reality turned upside down and back to
front, so the world is run by women, and no one but women. Bodyguard has
shown us what to expect of the BBC's misandristic agenda. They don't
want any male viewers to watch anything on the station at all. Let's see
how they like it when the government abolishes the license fee.
I'm probably the only person in the country who hasn't seen
Bodyguard (neither the original Whitney Houston film, nor
this racist remake in which her character is replaced by
a white politician because we can't show blacks in
positions of power, can we?) so I can't judge how well
it was written.
But even if it didn't accurately reflect reality, that
still doesn't mean your writing does.
You missed Bodyguard Solar birdie?
He didn't miss much. It was sexist, and as he pointed out, racist garbage.
I didn't watch it. But let's see the ratings on IMDB.
8.4/10.
Let's see how it performed in the ratings. Hmm. "Bodyguard sets amazing new
ratings record for BBC One" according to Digital Spy. "Bodyguard peaks with
10.4m viewers for series finale" according to the Guardian. "BBC One's
Bodyguard ends on a high and breaks BBC iPlayer records" according to the
BBC.
Looks like you're on your own there, Aggy. Just for a change, eh? Still, one
consolation. At least you've got Yads to lick your arse for you...
Well The rushed ending looked like a train crash.

Government in league with Jihadis to get rid of tehir undesirables?
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:21:41 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
On Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:39:50 UTC+1, The True Doctor trolled...
On Wednesday, 10 October 2018 22:58:56 UTC+1, Aggy angrily argued...
Aggy, dear - almost everything you write is a work of fiction. And you
wouldn't know where to start when it comes to writing real characters.
You don't have a clue how to write anything that's convincing. My
characters reflect reality.
Reflect it in a distorting mirror, no doubt.
That would be Chibnall's reality, reality turned upside down and back to
front, so the world is run by women, and no one but women. Bodyguard has
shown us what to expect of the BBC's misandristic agenda. They don't
want any male viewers to watch anything on the station at all. Let's see
how they like it when the government abolishes the license fee.
I'm probably the only person in the country who hasn't seen
Bodyguard (neither the original Whitney Houston film, nor
this racist remake in which her character is replaced by
a white politician because we can't show blacks in
positions of power, can we?) so I can't judge how well
it was written.
But even if it didn't accurately reflect reality, that
still doesn't mean your writing does.
You missed Bodyguard Solar birdie?
He didn't miss much. It was sexist, and as he pointed out, racist garbage.
WEll conspiracy theorists would love it.
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The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:20:47 UTC
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It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
The True Doctor
2018-10-11 21:31:32 UTC
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It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a
man, and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel
happy.
The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:40:49 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a man,
and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel happy.
Hmm. Chris Chibnall. Born 1970. MA from University of Sheffield. Married to
Madeline.
Argyros Argyrou. Unpaid DJ on a community radio station. Unmarried.

One of you is successful and married. 'nuff said.
The True Doctor
2018-10-11 22:01:59 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a man,
and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel happy.
Hmm. Chris Chibnall. Born 1970. MA from University of Sheffield. Married to
Madeline.
Having a wife does not change anything. Chibnall still has issues with
his identity, as can easily be seen in his misandristic writing. I have
no such issues.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:09:37 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a man,
and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel happy.
Hmm. Chris Chibnall. Born 1970. MA from University of Sheffield. Married to
Madeline.
Having a wife does not change anything. Chibnall still has issues with
his identity, as can easily be seen in his misandristic writing. I have
no such issues.
So does Madeline influence his writings?
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The True Doctor
2018-10-11 22:15:02 UTC
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It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a man,
and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel happy.
Hmm. Chris Chibnall. Born 1970. MA from University of Sheffield. Married to
Madeline.
Having a wife does not change anything. Chibnall still has issues with
his identity, as can easily be seen in his misandristic writing. I have
no such issues.
So does Madeline influence his writings?
It is possible that she rules over him. That would explain it. Just look
at how he wrote Bradley Walsh and whatshername. It's not like the
relationship that a romantic writer like Edgar Rice Burroughs, or E. E.
Smith would write.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:23:55 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a man,
and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel happy.
Hmm. Chris Chibnall. Born 1970. MA from University of Sheffield. Married to
Madeline.
Having a wife does not change anything. Chibnall still has issues with
his identity, as can easily be seen in his misandristic writing. I have
no such issues.
So does Madeline influence his writings?
It is possible that she rules over him. That would explain it. Just look
at how he wrote Bradley Walsh and whatshername. It's not like the
relationship that a romantic writer like Edgar Rice Burroughs, or E. E.
Smith would write.
Exactly why I ask.
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:05:12 UTC
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It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a man,
and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel happy.
Hmm. Chris Chibnall. Born 1970. MA from University of Sheffield. Married to
Madeline.
Argyros Argyrou. Unpaid DJ on a community radio station. Unmarried.
One of you is successful and married. 'nuff said.
I wonder if Chibnall's wife writes most of the feminist scripts Chris is
credited with.
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The True Doctor
2018-10-11 22:18:03 UTC
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I wonder if Chibnall's wife writes most of the feminist scripts Chris is
credited with.
By portraying week male characters he might be depicting his
relationship with his wife, where she is the one who is dominant.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:24:29 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
I wonder if Chibnall's wife writes most of the feminist scripts Chris is
credited with.
By portraying week male characters he might be depicting his
relationship with his wife, where she is the one who is dominant.
weak, but you are getting the idea!
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Mister E.
2018-10-11 23:26:10 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
I wonder if Chibnall's wife writes most of the feminist scripts Chris is
credited with.
By portraying week male characters he might be depicting his relationship
with his wife, where she is the one who is dominant.
Sounds like you think you've got him pegged.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 23:35:08 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
I wonder if Chibnall's wife writes most of the feminist scripts Chris is
credited with.
By portraying week male characters he might be depicting his relationship
with his wife, where she is the one who is dominant.
Sounds like you think you've got him pegged.
Google that for goodness sake!
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Mister E.
2018-10-11 23:28:42 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
I wonder if Chibnall's wife writes most of the feminist scripts Chris is
credited with.
I wonder if your cat writes most of the posts you are credited with.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 23:35:50 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
I wonder if Chibnall's wife writes most of the feminist scripts Chris is
credited with.
I wonder if your cat writes most of the posts you are credited with.
No to your question.
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Idlehands
2018-10-12 05:30:23 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
I wonder if Chibnall's wife writes most of the feminist scripts Chris is
credited with.
I wonder if your cat writes most of the posts you are credited with.
His cat lost his computer privileges when it turned more intelligent,
well thought out and logical posts than binky (aka The Doctor) ever has.
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Tim Bruening
2018-10-12 05:35:33 UTC
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Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
I wonder if Chibnall's wife writes most of the feminist scripts Chris is
credited with.
I wonder if your cat writes most of the posts you are credited with.
His cat lost his computer privileges when it turned more intelligent,
well thought out and logical posts than binky (aka The Doctor) ever has.
Did his cat eat his mouse?
The Doctor
2018-10-12 05:46:23 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
I wonder if Chibnall's wife writes most of the feminist scripts Chris is
credited with.
I wonder if your cat writes most of the posts you are credited with.
His cat lost his computer privileges when it turned more intelligent,
well thought out and logical posts than binky (aka The Doctor) ever has.
Did his cat eat his mouse?
If happens to Idlehands every day!
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Idlehands
2018-10-12 12:39:12 UTC
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Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Idlehands
Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
I wonder if Chibnall's wife writes most of the feminist scripts Chris is
credited with.
I wonder if your cat writes most of the posts you are credited with.
His cat lost his computer privileges when it turned more intelligent,
well thought out and logical posts than binky (aka The Doctor) ever has.
Did his cat eat his mouse?
If happens to Idlehands every day!
Poor binky, it must be hard to take when a cat walking across your
keyboard produces a better post than you ever will.
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:04:25 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a
man, and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel
happy.
Hear! Hear!!
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The True Doctor
2018-10-11 22:19:56 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a
man, and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel
happy.
Hear! Hear!!
Maybe Chibnall is crying out for help?
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:25:19 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a
man, and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel
happy.
Hear! Hear!!
Maybe Chibnall is crying out for help?
He needs it with his views.

SWilson can use the same help!
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Mister E.
2018-10-11 23:51:05 UTC
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No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a man,
and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel happy.
Considering how many times you've changed your screen name, claiming someone
else has issues with his identity is really rich coming from you.
The Doctor
2018-10-12 00:27:41 UTC
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Post by Mister E.
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a man,
and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel happy.
Considering how many times you've changed your screen name, claiming someone
else has issues with his identity is really rich coming from you.
How many is that?
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The True Doctor
2018-10-12 01:04:10 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a
man, and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to
feel happy.
Considering how many times you've changed your screen name, claiming
someone else has issues with his identity is really rich coming from you.
My screen name has remained consistent considerably longer than most
people's, including and especially, Stephen Wilson's and Mike M's
The Doctor
2018-10-12 05:39:41 UTC
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Post by Mister E.
Post by The True Doctor
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a
man, and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to
feel happy.
Considering how many times you've changed your screen name, claiming
someone else has issues with his identity is really rich coming from you.
My screen name has remained consistent considerably longer than most
people's, including and especially, Stephen Wilson's and Mike M's
Those 2 are on the edge propped by Idlehands.
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:04:07 UTC
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It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
SW is typing from a sheltered life as usual!
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:42:46 UTC
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Davison was panned by many as a bland, unconvincing actor who played the
Doctor as weak and feeble, and his interactions with his companions was
all
wrong (the writers totally misunderstood the dynamic of the original four
person TARDIS crew). Troughton played the Doctor like a clown (the show
even explicitly acknowledged this later) and at times his portrayal even
verged on queer, hardly an authority figure. Not surprising the show was
on
the verge of cancellation when Troughton left.
Unless you agree with the above criticisms, then your bashing of Whittaker
for having female chords is really a joke.
What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up their minds
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever get close,
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to bash those
stories by the time they did come around.
Tomb was Early Troughton! Black Guardian Thrillogy was Mid-Davison.

Later in their runs? What are you?

Add Genesis of the Daleks and Inferno to the list!
So? I thought we agreed that the Doctor is still male, despite the female
casting. Just like the Doctor's still an alien, despite the human
casting.
In the case of Chibnall , he has a complex about male characters.
You mean he writes complex male characters. Already covered that.
They are not complex, rather weak!
You sound like a real wuss when you write stuff like this. Acknowledging
the reality that men are complex creatures is hardly demeaning, especially
when the male protagonists are shown to be facing and overcoming their
weaknesses or demons. You got a problem with Ryan giving a eulogy vlog
for
his gran? Damn, that says more about you and your insecurities than it
does
about Chibnall or any writer you'd be bashing in his place.
chibnall is unsuitable!
Nonsense. A quick Google image search of Chris Chibnall wearing a suit
easily disproves that claim.
I am sorry but you do not pass the Solar Penguin Troll Test!
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2018-10-11 21:48:54 UTC
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chibnall is unsuitable!
Nonsense. A quick Google image search of Chris Chibnall wearing a suit
easily disproves that claim.
I am sorry but you do not pass the Solar Penguin Troll Test!
It is my honour and pleasure to confirm that you have passed the Solar
Penguin "I'm an Idiot" Test. In fact you passed with flying colours (as well
as feathers). Congratulations.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:05:55 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
chibnall is unsuitable!
Nonsense. A quick Google image search of Chris Chibnall wearing a suit
easily disproves that claim.
I am sorry but you do not pass the Solar Penguin Troll Test!
It is my honour and pleasure to confirm that you have passed the Solar
Penguin "I'm an Idiot" Test. In fact you passed with flying colours (as well
as feathers). Congratulations.
Sorry Wilson you are a certified lunatic of a troll.

You are Idlehands's lapdog.
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Mister E.
2018-10-11 23:47:39 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Tomb was Early Troughton! Black Guardian Thrillogy was Mid-Davison.
Later in their runs? What are you?
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far. With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Post by The Doctor
They are not complex, rather weak!
Yeah, whatever.
Post by The Doctor
Nonsense. A quick Google image search of Chris Chibnall wearing a suit
easily disproves that claim.
I am sorry but you do not pass the Solar Penguin Troll Test!
I have no idea what that even is, other than possibly an oblique reference
to a penguin suit?
The Doctor
2018-10-12 00:27:22 UTC
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Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
Tomb was Early Troughton! Black Guardian Thrillogy was Mid-Davison.
Later in their runs? What are you?
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far. With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
They are not complex, rather weak!
Yeah, whatever.
Get with the programme!
Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
Nonsense. A quick Google image search of Chris Chibnall wearing a suit
easily disproves that claim.
I am sorry but you do not pass the Solar Penguin Troll Test!
I have no idea what that even is, other than possibly an oblique reference
to a penguin suit?
Solar Penguin, please introduce yourself to Mister E.
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Mister E.
2018-10-12 17:23:31 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far. With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Yes. I can guarantee you there were curmudgeons around who bashed Baker and
HInchcliffe from the moment they first appeared.
Post by The Doctor
Get with the programme!
An odd statement to make from someone who appears be acting contrarian for
the sake of being contrarian.
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
I have no idea what that even is, other than possibly an oblique reference
to a penguin suit?
Solar Penguin, please introduce yourself to Mister E.
*covers eyes*

Ugh! Put that thing away, Yads.
The Last Doctor
2018-10-12 18:13:05 UTC
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Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far. With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Yes. I can guarantee you there were curmudgeons around who bashed Baker and
HInchcliffe from the moment they first appeared.
I quite liked Robot, but I had the very same Action Man Scorpion Tank that
they tried to use as an ordinary effect in ep 4. So that got cruelly
mocked. And I thought the effect of the giant Robot growing was a bit shit.
And I was 13 at the time so I was totally the target audience. Took me a
while to mellow to Tom as well after the magnificence of Pat and Jon.
Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
Get with the programme!
An odd statement to make from someone who appears be acting contrarian for
the sake of being contrarian.
No, he doesn’t understand what contrarian means.
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2018-10-12 20:58:19 UTC
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Post by The Last Doctor
Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far. With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Yes. I can guarantee you there were curmudgeons around who bashed Baker and
HInchcliffe from the moment they first appeared.
I quite liked Robot, but I had the very same Action Man Scorpion Tank that
they tried to use as an ordinary effect in ep 4. So that got cruelly
mocked. And I thought the effect of the giant Robot growing was a bit shit.
And I was 13 at the time so I was totally the target audience. Took me a
while to mellow to Tom as well after the magnificence of Pat and Jon.
Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
Get with the programme!
An odd statement to make from someone who appears be acting contrarian for
the sake of being contrarian.
No, he doesn’t understand what contrarian means.
Still has to meet Solar Penguin.
Post by The Last Doctor
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The Doctor
2018-10-12 20:57:38 UTC
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Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far. With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Yes. I can guarantee you there were curmudgeons around who bashed Baker and
HInchcliffe from the moment they first appeared.
Robot was clearly meant for Pertwee!
Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
Get with the programme!
An odd statement to make from someone who appears be acting contrarian for
the sake of being contrarian.
Anti-deluvian are you?!
Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
I have no idea what that even is, other than possibly an oblique reference
to a penguin suit?
Solar Penguin, please introduce yourself to Mister E.
*covers eyes*
Ugh! Put that thing away, Yads.
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The True Doctor
2018-10-13 16:23:37 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first
episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far.  With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Yes.  I can guarantee you there were curmudgeons around who bashed Baker
and HInchcliffe from the moment they first appeared.
Hinchcliffe didn't produce Robot. It was Barry Letts.
The Other Doctor
2018-10-13 16:31:22 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far.  With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Yes.  I can guarantee you there were curmudgeons around who bashed
Baker and HInchcliffe from the moment they first appeared.
Hinchcliffe didn't produce Robot. It was Barry Letts.
So what? Robot was the only Baker story that Letts produced. Hinchcliffe
took over from the next story.
The True Doctor
2018-10-13 17:44:19 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far.  With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Yes.  I can guarantee you there were curmudgeons around who bashed
Baker and HInchcliffe from the moment they first appeared.
Hinchcliffe didn't produce Robot. It was Barry Letts.
So what? Robot was the only Baker story that Letts produced. Hinchcliffe
took over from the next story.
Not only was Robot produced by Letts, but Letts also cast Tom Baker in
the lead role. He also executive produced Tom Baker's last series.
The Doctor
2018-10-13 21:55:56 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far.  With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Yes.  I can guarantee you there were curmudgeons around who bashed
Baker and HInchcliffe from the moment they first appeared.
Hinchcliffe didn't produce Robot. It was Barry Letts.
So what? Robot was the only Baker story that Letts produced. Hinchcliffe
took over from the next story.
Not only was Robot produced by Letts, but Letts also cast Tom Baker in
the lead role. He also executive produced Tom Baker's last series.
With JN-T?
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2018-10-13 21:55:17 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far.  With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Yes.  I can guarantee you there were curmudgeons around who bashed
Baker and HInchcliffe from the moment they first appeared.
Hinchcliffe didn't produce Robot. It was Barry Letts.
So what? Robot was the only Baker story that Letts produced. Hinchcliffe
took over from the next story.
Splittng hairs as usual SW>
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The Doctor
2018-10-13 21:52:10 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far.  With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Yes.  I can guarantee you there were curmudgeons around who bashed Baker
and HInchcliffe from the moment they first appeared.
Hinchcliffe didn't produce Robot. It was Barry Letts.
Different is those days.
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The True Doctor
2018-10-13 16:22:28 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
Tomb was Early Troughton! Black Guardian Thrillogy was Mid-Davison.
Later in their runs? What are you?
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far. With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Robot was brilliant. It's what got me hooked!
The Other Doctor
2018-10-13 16:28:39 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
Tomb was Early Troughton!   Black Guardian Thrillogy was Mid-Davison.
Later in their runs?  What are you?
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first
episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far.  With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Robot was brilliant. It's what got me hooked!
Robot was acceptable. Back in 1975. It wouldn't hook a new audience
today, Aggy. What's hooking a new audience today is The Woman Who Fell
to Earth.

You watched it too. And you'll be watching every other story this
series, despite all your protestations.

You're a fraud.
The True Doctor
2018-10-13 17:51:45 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
Tomb was Early Troughton!   Black Guardian Thrillogy was Mid-Davison.
Later in their runs?  What are you?
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far.  With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Robot was brilliant. It's what got me hooked!
Robot was acceptable. Back in 1975. It wouldn't hook a new audience
The first episode was showing in 1974. And if it were made today it
would have far better special effects, which were already good for the
time, and it would hook more people that Chibnall's rubbish, since it
actually had a meaningfully story with a plot, all the actors played
their parts perfectly, unlike Whittaker, and it wasn't fill up with PC
lunatic and SJW propaganda. It was made to entertain, not to brainwash!
Post by The Other Doctor
today, Aggy. What's hooking a new audience today is The Woman Who Fell
to Earth.
No. The audience has been brainwashed, and the feminists who demanded
the ridiculous sex change are not even watching it!
Post by The Other Doctor
You watched it too. And you'll be watching every other story this
series, despite all your protestations.
That does not imply that I like it. Look at all those who watch The Lost
Jedi, and the majority hated it, resulting in Solo which was a far
better movie making a loss.
Post by The Other Doctor
You're a fraud.
No, you are. You will eat crap served to you on a plate, just as long as
it has Doctor Who written on it.
The Doctor
2018-10-13 21:56:21 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
Tomb was Early Troughton!   Black Guardian Thrillogy was Mid-Davison.
Later in their runs?  What are you?
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far.  With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Robot was brilliant. It's what got me hooked!
Robot was acceptable. Back in 1975. It wouldn't hook a new audience
The first episode was showing in 1974. And if it were made today it
would have far better special effects, which were already good for the
time, and it would hook more people that Chibnall's rubbish, since it
actually had a meaningfully story with a plot, all the actors played
their parts perfectly, unlike Whittaker, and it wasn't fill up with PC
lunatic and SJW propaganda. It was made to entertain, not to brainwash!
Post by The Other Doctor
today, Aggy. What's hooking a new audience today is The Woman Who Fell
to Earth.
No. The audience has been brainwashed, and the feminists who demanded
the ridiculous sex change are not even watching it!
Post by The Other Doctor
You watched it too. And you'll be watching every other story this
series, despite all your protestations.
That does not imply that I like it. Look at all those who watch The Lost
Jedi, and the majority hated it, resulting in Solo which was a far
better movie making a loss.
Post by The Other Doctor
You're a fraud.
No, you are. You will eat crap served to you on a plate, just as long as
it has Doctor Who written on it.
lson iss a sheep told what to do!
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2018-10-13 21:53:03 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
Tomb was Early Troughton!   Black Guardian Thrillogy was Mid-Davison.
Later in their runs?  What are you?
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far.  With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Robot was brilliant. It's what got me hooked!
Robot was acceptable. Back in 1975. It wouldn't hook a new audience
today, Aggy. What's hooking a new audience today is The Woman Who Fell
to Earth.
You watched it too. And you'll be watching every other story this
series, despite all your protestations.
You're a fraud.
Look who is talking fradulent SW!
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The Doctor
2018-10-13 21:51:53 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Mister E.
Post by The Doctor
Tomb was Early Troughton! Black Guardian Thrillogy was Mid-Davison.
Later in their runs? What are you?
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes, which
is all you've seen of Whittaker so far. With the exception of McGann,
passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first episode the way
you and your partner have is absurd.
Like Robot?
Robot was brilliant. It's what got me hooked!
Rock on!
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The True Doctor
2018-10-13 16:12:21 UTC
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Post by Mister E.
Tomb was Early Troughton!   Black Guardian Thrillogy was Mid-Davison.
Later in their runs?  What are you?
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes,
which is all you've seen of Whittaker so far.  With the exception of
McGann, passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first
episode the way you and your partner have is absurd.
Unless Whittaker is going to start speaking like a proper doctor or a
scientist, instead of like Mickey Mouse, and drop the Yorkshire accent
and the hysterics, there there is going to be no improvement. Whittaker
cannot convey intellect, she cannot covey authority, she cannot convey
emotion, she cannot convey strength; and the writers don't have a clue
about characterization. We are going to be stuck with the same situation
as with Sylvester McCoy, except McCoy could act, but was given extremely
bad scripts except for the TVM which was his best performance, but
Whittaker can't act, even with good scripts.
The Doctor
2018-10-13 21:51:37 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by Mister E.
Tomb was Early Troughton!   Black Guardian Thrillogy was Mid-Davison.
Later in their runs?  What are you?
In both cases they were much later than those Doctors' first episodes,
which is all you've seen of Whittaker so far.  With the exception of
McGann, passing judgment on any Doctor based solely on their first
episode the way you and your partner have is absurd.
Unless Whittaker is going to start speaking like a proper doctor or a
scientist, instead of like Mickey Mouse, and drop the Yorkshire accent
and the hysterics, there there is going to be no improvement. Whittaker
cannot convey intellect, she cannot covey authority, she cannot convey
emotion, she cannot convey strength; and the writers don't have a clue
about characterization. We are going to be stuck with the same situation
as with Sylvester McCoy, except McCoy could act, but was given extremely
bad scripts except for the TVM which was his best performance, but
Whittaker can't act, even with good scripts.
Chibnall will go down and take Whittaker with him.
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:43:45 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
And we are still waiting for the final figures.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
programme. There was no indication that people were turning off.
It is totally acceptable for you not to enjoy the new series,
but you shouldn't s*t all over the people who do.
I would thank you not to edit my words - I said s*t not s*t.
Do learn not to swear.
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The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:49:52 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
And we are still waiting for the final figures.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
programme. There was no indication that people were turning off.
It is totally acceptable for you not to enjoy the new series,
but you shouldn't s*t all over the people who do.
I would thank you not to edit my words - I said s*t not s*t.
Do learn not to swear.
Do learn to fuck off.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:06:23 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
And we are still waiting for the final figures.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
programme. There was no indication that people were turning off.
It is totally acceptable for you not to enjoy the new series,
but you shouldn't s*t all over the people who do.
I would thank you not to edit my words - I said s*t not s*t.
Do learn not to swear.
Do learn to f8k off.
Rude as usual SW!
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:44:48 UTC
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What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up their minds
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever get close,
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to bash those
stories by the time they did come around.
Not just that there were made a generation or two ago in TV times.
TV drama is just not shot or structured like that anymore. Having
re-watched The War Games recently (on the Twitch marathon) I don't
want stories structured like The War Games. Tomb was replete with
not-so-subtle racism and a load of idiotic plotting which just didn't
make sense.
Tomb does not make sense? Excuse me but do the words Red scare
come to mind?

Also add Inferno and Genesis of the Daleks to the list.
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2018-10-11 22:41:46 UTC
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What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up their minds
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever get close,
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to bash those
stories by the time they did come around.
Not just that there were made a generation or two ago in TV times.
TV drama is just not shot or structured like that anymore. Having
re-watched The War Games recently (on the Twitch marathon) I don't
want stories structured like The War Games. Tomb was replete with
not-so-subtle racism and a load of idiotic plotting which just didn't
make sense.
Tomb does not make sense? Excuse me but do the words Red scare
come to mind?
I said idiotic plotting - not doesn't make sense.

The whole thought process that with one "cyber-gun"/x-ray laser
that Klieg thinks he can control a cyber-army seems very weak.
Especially when he is supposed to be one of the Brotherhood of
Logicians.

Locking the two bad-guys in the weapons-testing room seems to
be a bit silly.

The whole repairing the rocket requiring everyone to spend
the night in the Tomb also didn't work for me.

The whole point of the Tomb was a set of tests and traps to
try and find the best minds for conversion. However it is
Toberman who is partially converted, Klieg and Kaftan get
killed.

Building the Tomb so it is impossible to open from
the inside also seems a bit short-sighted. Especially when
the episode kind of peters out - the cybermen decide to
go back to sleep.

What of The Doctor who said about the Cybermen trapped in
the vault - "They're more dangerous down there than they are
up here." Even Captain Hooper didn't buy that! Yet at the
end the solution was to leave them down in the vaults.

Sure there were a few good visuals and the odd great bit of
dialogue but that ain't good enough.
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:44:18 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:44:48 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
Post by The Doctor
What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up their minds
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever
get close,
Post by The Doctor
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to bash those
stories by the time they did come around.
Not just that there were made a generation or two ago in TV times.
TV drama is just not shot or structured like that anymore. Having
re-watched The War Games recently (on the Twitch marathon) I don't
want stories structured like The War Games. Tomb was replete with
not-so-subtle racism and a load of idiotic plotting which just didn't
make sense.
Tomb does not make sense? Excuse me but do the words Red scare
come to mind?
I said idiotic plotting - not doesn't make sense.
The whole thought process that with one "cyber-gun"/x-ray laser
that Klieg thinks he can control a cyber-army seems very weak.
Especially when he is supposed to be one of the Brotherhood of
Logicians.
Locking the two bad-guys in the weapons-testing room seems to
be a bit silly.
The whole repairing the rocket requiring everyone to spend
the night in the Tomb also didn't work for me.
The whole point of the Tomb was a set of tests and traps to
try and find the best minds for conversion. However it is
Toberman who is partially converted, Klieg and Kaftan get
killed.
Building the Tomb so it is impossible to open from
the inside also seems a bit short-sighted. Especially when
the episode kind of peters out - the cybermen decide to
go back to sleep.
What of The Doctor who said about the Cybermen trapped in
the vault - "They're more dangerous down there than they are
up here." Even Captain Hooper didn't buy that! Yet at the
end the solution was to leave them down in the vaults.
Sure there were a few good visuals and the odd great bit of
dialogue but that ain't good enough.
Sorry I rate it 9/10
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Andy Leighton
2018-10-11 23:12:26 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:44:48 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
Post by The Doctor
What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up their minds
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever
get close,
Post by The Doctor
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to bash those
stories by the time they did come around.
Not just that there were made a generation or two ago in TV times.
TV drama is just not shot or structured like that anymore. Having
re-watched The War Games recently (on the Twitch marathon) I don't
want stories structured like The War Games. Tomb was replete with
not-so-subtle racism and a load of idiotic plotting which just didn't
make sense.
Tomb does not make sense? Excuse me but do the words Red scare
come to mind?
I said idiotic plotting - not doesn't make sense.
The whole thought process that with one "cyber-gun"/x-ray laser
that Klieg thinks he can control a cyber-army seems very weak.
Especially when he is supposed to be one of the Brotherhood of
Logicians.
Locking the two bad-guys in the weapons-testing room seems to
be a bit silly.
The whole repairing the rocket requiring everyone to spend
the night in the Tomb also didn't work for me.
The whole point of the Tomb was a set of tests and traps to
try and find the best minds for conversion. However it is
Toberman who is partially converted, Klieg and Kaftan get
killed.
Building the Tomb so it is impossible to open from
the inside also seems a bit short-sighted. Especially when
the episode kind of peters out - the cybermen decide to
go back to sleep.
What of The Doctor who said about the Cybermen trapped in
the vault - "They're more dangerous down there than they are
up here." Even Captain Hooper didn't buy that! Yet at the
end the solution was to leave them down in the vaults.
Sure there were a few good visuals and the odd great bit of
dialogue but that ain't good enough.
Sorry I rate it 9/10
Yep but you haven't fucking engaged with any of the points
I have raised have you? You haven't mentioned the racial
coding (the bad guys are all shifty foreigners and a big
dumb black guy*). The gender politics was also crap in
this serial. Victoria seemed more progressive than
Cooper and Parry to me - although probably you and Aggie
prefer the days when men were men and women 'knew their
place'.

There are far better Troughton stories.

* Yes I know Toberman was really supposed to be deaf,
but that wasn't apparent in the programme as broadcast
so he comes across as generic big dumb black guy. And yes
I am aware that Toberman redeems himself at the end with
his self-sacrifice.
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 23:34:03 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:44:18 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
Post by The Doctor
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:44:48 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
Post by The Doctor
What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up
their minds
Post by The Doctor
Post by The Doctor
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever
get close,
Post by The Doctor
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to
bash those
Post by The Doctor
Post by The Doctor
stories by the time they did come around.
Not just that there were made a generation or two ago in TV times.
TV drama is just not shot or structured like that anymore. Having
re-watched The War Games recently (on the Twitch marathon) I don't
want stories structured like The War Games. Tomb was replete with
not-so-subtle racism and a load of idiotic plotting which just didn't
make sense.
Tomb does not make sense? Excuse me but do the words Red scare
come to mind?
I said idiotic plotting - not doesn't make sense.
The whole thought process that with one "cyber-gun"/x-ray laser
that Klieg thinks he can control a cyber-army seems very weak.
Especially when he is supposed to be one of the Brotherhood of
Logicians.
Logicians who forgot the evils of what Cybermen were.
Post by The Doctor
Locking the two bad-guys in the weapons-testing room seems to
be a bit silly.
Where would you lock them?
Post by The Doctor
The whole repairing the rocket requiring everyone to spend
the night in the Tomb also didn't work for me.
WEll where else would you stay?
Post by The Doctor
The whole point of the Tomb was a set of tests and traps to
try and find the best minds for conversion. However it is
Toberman who is partially converted, Klieg and Kaftan get
killed.
Because they turned and did not run.
Post by The Doctor
Building the Tomb so it is impossible to open from
the inside also seems a bit short-sighted. Especially when
the episode kind of peters out - the cybermen decide to
go back to sleep.
Into a trap.
Post by The Doctor
What of The Doctor who said about the Cybermen trapped in
the vault - "They're more dangerous down there than they are
up here." Even Captain Hooper didn't buy that! Yet at the
end the solution was to leave them down in the vaults.
And next is Attack of the Cybermen.
Post by The Doctor
Sure there were a few good visuals and the odd great bit of
dialogue but that ain't good enough.
Sorry I rate it 9/10
Yep but you haven't engaged with any of the points
I have raised have you? You haven't mentioned the racial
coding (the bad guys are all shifty foreigners and a big
dumb black guy*). The gender politics was also crap in
this serial. Victoria seemed more progressive than
Cooper and Parry to me - although probably you and Aggie
prefer the days when men were men and women 'knew their
place'.
There are far better Troughton stories.
* Yes I know Toberman was really supposed to be deaf,
but that wasn't apparent in the programme as broadcast
so he comes across as generic big dumb black guy. And yes
I am aware that Toberman redeems himself at the end with
his self-sacrifice.
The strong man who was nearly cyberised?
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:46:50 UTC
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:30:02 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
Time for Chibnall to go!
Yeah. Because his Doctor Who debut is the most watched launch in 10 years
and is an unequivocal success.
Time for you to quit whining. Loser.
Wilson, you are non-rational as it gets.
Your endoresement of Chibnall is a great atni-endorsement!
Really?
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
There are more than that. You're only counting new Doctor debuts.
TDD 1 AL 0
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
On the other hand it is obvious that you (and Ags) had made your
mind up as soon as the casting was announced. It is you that
What else do you expect when the talent-less Jodie Whittaker, who has
only ever played the part of hysterical northern woman as cast in the
lead role? It was already bad enough that Chibnall who had made a
complete mess of Torchwood, making almost every character unlikable, so
he could kill them all off in the end, without anyone batting an eyelid,
was made show runner.
They said look at Broadchurch. UGH!!
are flooding the groups with negative posts - all saying much
the same thing. If you don't like the show anymore don't watch it.
How about the BBC making a show which men (who haven't been emasculated)
and science fiction fans actually want to watch, instead of taking one
away from them and leaving them with nothing? The BBC talks about
diversity, but turning what used to be a science fiction family show
into a soap opera directed almost exclusively at women, and attacking
and demeaning all the male characters in the process, like is happening
with everything else that's on the BBC now, isn't helping diversity in
any way.
The BBC is fundamentally and institutionally sexist, racist, and
chauvinistic in every way possible; and the new series of Doctor Who is
an example of that sexist and racist chauvinism, which is directed
against white, heterosexual males; as was Troy: Fall of a City, which
didn't cast a single Greek actor, let alone any Greek looking ones, in
any leading role.
And DW is heading the same way under Chibnall!
I mean there are other avenues you can get your Doctor Who fix such
as BF audio,comics and books - which I can't recall you posting
about recently. Although the comics and books have moved on to
Jodie's Doctor a load of other stuff still exists.
If the BBC were to allow others to make live action Doctor Who, only
then would people have a real choice of an alternative; and the market
would decide if people preferred a male or a female Doctor, not the
BBC's sexist, racist, and heterophobic agenda.
Time to clean house!
It is totally acceptable for you not to enjoy the new series,
but you shouldn't shit all over the people who do.
The majority of people did not enjoy the new series. Only about 12% of
the population of this country watched the first episode, and most of
that would have been out of curiosity because of the ridiculous media hype.
I hear the appreciation share coule be low.
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2018-10-11 21:51:38 UTC
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I hear the appreciation share coule be low.
Well done. You hear wrong. Perhaps you need a hearing aid. And glasses. And
a brain...
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:07:04 UTC
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I hear the appreciation share coule be low.
Well done. You hear wrong. Perhaps you need a hearing aid. And glasses. And
a brain...
Hey Wilson , you benefitted from Margaret Thatcher when closed the mental
hospitals.
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2018-10-11 21:50:28 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
programme. There was no indication that people were turning off.
There is no indication that the same people watched the episode all the
way though from start to finish either. What are the numbers for unique
individuals who watched at least 90% of the episode, including the
ending, and unique individuals who made up the 8.2 million average
throughout, and the total time watched between them? Having a show where
half the viewers leave in the middle and are replaced by an equal number
who watch it from middle to end, might be ok for selling advertising,
but is a totally ridiculous way of indicating weather people actually
liked it enough to watch it all. Also how many people are counted who
just had the TV on in the background, like I did when I watched the last
episode of Bodyguard, which turned out to be another over-hyped sexist
gimmick.
Hear! Hear!!
It is totally acceptable for you not to enjoy the new series,
but you shouldn't s*t all over the people who do.
I would thank you not to edit my words - I said s*t not s*t.
Someone needs to learn to have manners.
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The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:55:28 UTC
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I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
You did. Despite claiming to hate it. And you'll be watching every second of
the next episode.

Loser.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:09:04 UTC
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I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
You did. Despite claiming to hate it. And you'll be watching every second of
the next episode.
Loser.
And overall. SW is an uninformed and lives a sheltered life.
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2018-10-12 00:16:45 UTC
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I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
You did. Despite claiming to hate it. And you'll be watching every second of
the next episode.
So the programme only has one viewer hour. That's not very good going.
Post by The Other Doctor
Loser.
Clueless fool!
The Doctor
2018-10-12 00:29:43 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The Doctor
I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
You did. Despite claiming to hate it. And you'll be watching every second of
the next episode.
So the programme only has one viewer hour. That's not very good going.
Post by The Other Doctor
Loser.
Clueless fool!
SWilson is hugely emascualted!
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
No-one.

There were 8 million who watched the first 10 minutes, then 8 million
different people watching the next 10 minutes and so on.

When you see numbers that consistent throughout then it is more likely
it is 8 million who watched the entire show, not lots more than 8
million people randomly dipping in and out of the show conveniently
cancelling each other out.

BTW the audience figures for every TV programme are calculated the
same way. I never heard people complain about "watching the full
programme" before when the figures were high for a particular Doctor
Who story. So it is a bit hypocritical bleating about it now.

Finally we can look at how many are watching after the overnight
figures. After 3 days that has put on an extra 1.56m which also
compares extremely well with past seasons.
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2018-10-11 23:31:11 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
No-one.
There were 8 million who watched the first 10 minutes, then 8 million
different people watching the next 10 minutes and so on.
When you see numbers that consistent throughout then it is more likely
it is 8 million who watched the entire show, not lots more than 8
million people randomly dipping in and out of the show conveniently
cancelling each other out.
BTW the audience figures for every TV programme are calculated the
same way. I never heard people complain about "watching the full
programme" before when the figures were high for a particular Doctor
Who story. So it is a bit hypocritical bleating about it now.
Finally we can look at how many are watching after the overnight
figures. After 3 days that has put on an extra 1.56m which also
compares extremely well with past seasons.
Therefore how do you come up with the number for viewing?
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2018-10-12 00:54:22 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
No-one.
There were 8 million who watched the first 10 minutes, then 8 million
different people watching the next 10 minutes and so on.
And you have this information from where?
Post by Andy Leighton
When you see numbers that consistent throughout then it is more likely
it is 8 million who watched the entire show, not lots more than 8
million people randomly dipping in and out of the show conveniently
cancelling each other out.
People dropping in and out could conceivably happen. That's how most
radio listening works. Most people only listen for about 5 minutes or
less and then leave when they don't want to listen to a particular song,
or the presenter talking, or the ads.

Of course the same behaviour could also apply to previous series, but
unless there is concrete data, accurate conclusions cannot be drawn.
Post by Andy Leighton
BTW the audience figures for every TV programme are calculated the
same way. I never heard people complain about "watching the full
programme" before when the figures were high for a particular Doctor
Who story. So it is a bit hypocritical bleating about it now.
If you were the writer or director of the programme, you would want to
know that your programme was watched by the same people from start to
finish, not people just popping in for 10 minutes and then going. You
would also like to know that people actually watched it and didn't just
have it on in the background.
Post by Andy Leighton
Finally we can look at how many are watching after the overnight
figures. After 3 days that has put on an extra 1.56m which also
compares extremely well with past seasons.
The iPlayer statistics cannot be trusted as the same people could be
watching it more than once.
The Doctor
2018-10-12 05:38:42 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:50:28 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
Post by The Doctor
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
No-one.
There were 8 million who watched the first 10 minutes, then 8 million
different people watching the next 10 minutes and so on.
And you have this information from where?
When you see numbers that consistent throughout then it is more likely
it is 8 million who watched the entire show, not lots more than 8
million people randomly dipping in and out of the show conveniently
cancelling each other out.
People dropping in and out could conceivably happen. That's how most
radio listening works. Most people only listen for about 5 minutes or
less and then leave when they don't want to listen to a particular song,
or the presenter talking, or the ads.
Of course the same behaviour could also apply to previous series, but
unless there is concrete data, accurate conclusions cannot be drawn.
I.E. overhyped numbers.
Post by The True Doctor
BTW the audience figures for every TV programme are calculated the
same way. I never heard people complain about "watching the full
programme" before when the figures were high for a particular Doctor
Who story. So it is a bit hypocritical bleating about it now.
If you were the writer or director of the programme, you would want to
know that your programme was watched by the same people from start to
finish, not people just popping in for 10 minutes and then going. You
would also like to know that people actually watched it and didn't just
have it on in the background.
10/10
Post by The True Doctor
Finally we can look at how many are watching after the overnight
figures. After 3 days that has put on an extra 1.56m which also
compares extremely well with past seasons.
The iPlayer statistics cannot be trusted as the same people could be
watching it more than once.
Good point.
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Andy Leighton
2018-10-12 08:36:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
Post by The Doctor
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
No-one.
There were 8 million who watched the first 10 minutes, then 8 million
different people watching the next 10 minutes and so on.
And you have this information from where?
Umm that was sarcasm btw I don't really believe that - and in fact it
can't really be true.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
When you see numbers that consistent throughout then it is more likely
it is 8 million who watched the entire show, not lots more than 8
million people randomly dipping in and out of the show conveniently
cancelling each other out.
People dropping in and out could conceivably happen. That's how most
radio listening works. Most people only listen for about 5 minutes or
less and then leave when they don't want to listen to a particular song,
or the presenter talking, or the ads.
Of course the same behaviour could also apply to previous series, but
unless there is concrete data, accurate conclusions cannot be drawn.
Post by Andy Leighton
BTW the audience figures for every TV programme are calculated the
same way. I never heard people complain about "watching the full
programme" before when the figures were high for a particular Doctor
Who story. So it is a bit hypocritical bleating about it now.
If you were the writer or director of the programme, you would want to
know that your programme was watched by the same people from start to
finish, not people just popping in for 10 minutes and then going. You
would also like to know that people actually watched it and didn't just
have it on in the background.
But no-one publishes those figures. I guess theoretically Neilsen knows
which of their sample viewers stuck with it but they don't publish that.
So all you can do is use the Neilsen figures - compare like with like.
In that case all you can say is it had high viewership figures for
drama (not just Doctor Who), high figures for its slot, and a
consistently sized audience throughout (which not all DW has had).

No-one mentioned the dipping in and out when they were crowing about
the high viewership of Rose or Eleventh Hour etc - so why bring it up
now?
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
Finally we can look at how many are watching after the overnight
figures. After 3 days that has put on an extra 1.56m which also
compares extremely well with past seasons.
The iPlayer statistics cannot be trusted as the same people could be
watching it more than once.
I think it is done by Neilsen again not raw iPlayer stats.

But again I don't mind how you cut the cake as long as you compare
like to like. If you remove post-overnight views from one you have
to remove post-overnight views from all.
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The Doctor
2018-10-12 14:19:52 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 01:54:22 +0100, The True Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:50:28 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
Post by The Doctor
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
No-one.
There were 8 million who watched the first 10 minutes, then 8 million
different people watching the next 10 minutes and so on.
And you have this information from where?
Umm that was sarcasm btw I don't really believe that - and in fact it
can't really be true.
Post by The True Doctor
When you see numbers that consistent throughout then it is more likely
it is 8 million who watched the entire show, not lots more than 8
million people randomly dipping in and out of the show conveniently
cancelling each other out.
People dropping in and out could conceivably happen. That's how most
radio listening works. Most people only listen for about 5 minutes or
less and then leave when they don't want to listen to a particular song,
or the presenter talking, or the ads.
Of course the same behaviour could also apply to previous series, but
unless there is concrete data, accurate conclusions cannot be drawn.
BTW the audience figures for every TV programme are calculated the
same way. I never heard people complain about "watching the full
programme" before when the figures were high for a particular Doctor
Who story. So it is a bit hypocritical bleating about it now.
If you were the writer or director of the programme, you would want to
know that your programme was watched by the same people from start to
finish, not people just popping in for 10 minutes and then going. You
would also like to know that people actually watched it and didn't just
have it on in the background.
But no-one publishes those figures. I guess theoretically Neilsen knows
which of their sample viewers stuck with it but they don't publish that.
So all you can do is use the Neilsen figures - compare like with like.
In that case all you can say is it had high viewership figures for
drama (not just Doctor Who), high figures for its slot, and a
consistently sized audience throughout (which not all DW has had).
No-one mentioned the dipping in and out when they were crowing about
the high viewership of Rose or Eleventh Hour etc - so why bring it up
now?
Post by The True Doctor
Finally we can look at how many are watching after the overnight
figures. After 3 days that has put on an extra 1.56m which also
compares extremely well with past seasons.
The iPlayer statistics cannot be trusted as the same people could be
watching it more than once.
I think it is done by Neilsen again not raw iPlayer stats.
But again I don't mind how you cut the cake as long as you compare
like to like. If you remove post-overnight views from one you have
to remove post-overnight views from all.
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The True Doctor
2018-10-12 21:45:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andy Leighton
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
Post by The Doctor
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
No-one.
There were 8 million who watched the first 10 minutes, then 8 million
different people watching the next 10 minutes and so on.
And you have this information from where?
Umm that was sarcasm btw I don't really believe that - and in fact it
can't really be true.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
When you see numbers that consistent throughout then it is more likely
it is 8 million who watched the entire show, not lots more than 8
million people randomly dipping in and out of the show conveniently
cancelling each other out.
People dropping in and out could conceivably happen. That's how most
radio listening works. Most people only listen for about 5 minutes or
less and then leave when they don't want to listen to a particular song,
or the presenter talking, or the ads.
Of course the same behaviour could also apply to previous series, but
unless there is concrete data, accurate conclusions cannot be drawn.
Post by Andy Leighton
BTW the audience figures for every TV programme are calculated the
same way. I never heard people complain about "watching the full
programme" before when the figures were high for a particular Doctor
Who story. So it is a bit hypocritical bleating about it now.
If you were the writer or director of the programme, you would want to
know that your programme was watched by the same people from start to
finish, not people just popping in for 10 minutes and then going. You
would also like to know that people actually watched it and didn't just
have it on in the background.
But no-one publishes those figures. I guess theoretically Neilsen knows
This is the UK. Neilsen doesn't do the stats here. It's BARB
Post by Andy Leighton
which of their sample viewers stuck with it but they don't publish that.
So all you can do is use the Neilsen figures - compare like with like.
In that case all you can say is it had high viewership figures for
drama (not just Doctor Who), high figures for its slot, and a
consistently sized audience throughout (which not all DW has had).
How many people that watched it were women? How many were feminists?

My guess is that virtually no feminists, especially the ones calling for
a female Doctor, watch it at all, or even any part of it.
Post by Andy Leighton
No-one mentioned the dipping in and out when they were crowing about
the high viewership of Rose or Eleventh Hour etc - so why bring it up
now?
So the writer and director know if people actually liked their work. You
don't write a story to find out that people just skipped though it. You
want them to read it properly.
Post by Andy Leighton
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
Finally we can look at how many are watching after the overnight
figures. After 3 days that has put on an extra 1.56m which also
compares extremely well with past seasons.
The iPlayer statistics cannot be trusted as the same people could be
watching it more than once.
I think it is done by Neilsen again not raw iPlayer stats.
It's BARB not Neilsen.
Post by Andy Leighton
But again I don't mind how you cut the cake as long as you compare
like to like. If you remove post-overnight views from one you have
to remove post-overnight views from all.
iPlayer, repeat showing and +1 statistics should not be used unless
there is a way to determine if the same person watched it more than
once, and remove them from the over all count. Repeat viewings might
make no difference to advertisers, but the BBC isn't funded by adverts.
Also people who had it on in the background should not be counted either.
The Doctor
2018-10-12 22:43:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by The True Doctor
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 01:54:22 +0100, The True Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:50:28 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
Post by The Doctor
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
No-one.
There were 8 million who watched the first 10 minutes, then 8 million
different people watching the next 10 minutes and so on.
And you have this information from where?
Umm that was sarcasm btw I don't really believe that - and in fact it
can't really be true.
Post by The True Doctor
When you see numbers that consistent throughout then it is more likely
it is 8 million who watched the entire show, not lots more than 8
million people randomly dipping in and out of the show conveniently
cancelling each other out.
People dropping in and out could conceivably happen. That's how most
radio listening works. Most people only listen for about 5 minutes or
less and then leave when they don't want to listen to a particular song,
or the presenter talking, or the ads.
Of course the same behaviour could also apply to previous series, but
unless there is concrete data, accurate conclusions cannot be drawn.
BTW the audience figures for every TV programme are calculated the
same way. I never heard people complain about "watching the full
programme" before when the figures were high for a particular Doctor
Who story. So it is a bit hypocritical bleating about it now.
If you were the writer or director of the programme, you would want to
know that your programme was watched by the same people from start to
finish, not people just popping in for 10 minutes and then going. You
would also like to know that people actually watched it and didn't just
have it on in the background.
But no-one publishes those figures. I guess theoretically Neilsen knows
This is the UK. Neilsen doesn't do the stats here. It's BARB
which of their sample viewers stuck with it but they don't publish that.
So all you can do is use the Neilsen figures - compare like with like.
In that case all you can say is it had high viewership figures for
drama (not just Doctor Who), high figures for its slot, and a
consistently sized audience throughout (which not all DW has had).
How many people that watched it were women? How many were feminists?
My guess is that virtually no feminists, especially the ones calling for
a female Doctor, watch it at all, or even any part of it.
No-one mentioned the dipping in and out when they were crowing about
the high viewership of Rose or Eleventh Hour etc - so why bring it up
now?
So the writer and director know if people actually liked their work. You
don't write a story to find out that people just skipped though it. You
want them to read it properly.
Post by The True Doctor
Finally we can look at how many are watching after the overnight
figures. After 3 days that has put on an extra 1.56m which also
compares extremely well with past seasons.
The iPlayer statistics cannot be trusted as the same people could be
watching it more than once.
I think it is done by Neilsen again not raw iPlayer stats.
It's BARB not Neilsen.
But again I don't mind how you cut the cake as long as you compare
like to like. If you remove post-overnight views from one you have
to remove post-overnight views from all.
iPlayer, repeat showing and +1 statistics should not be used unless
there is a way to determine if the same person watched it more than
once, and remove them from the over all count. Repeat viewings might
make no difference to advertisers, but the BBC isn't funded by adverts.
Also people who had it on in the background should not be counted either.
The BBC is pullinf a skew.
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Andy Leighton
2018-10-13 07:58:46 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
My guess is that virtually no feminists, especially the ones calling for
a female Doctor, watch it at all, or even any part of it.
Well no-one actually knows how many feminists watched.

I have seen figures showing a large increase in young girls watching.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
No-one mentioned the dipping in and out when they were crowing about
the high viewership of Rose or Eleventh Hour etc - so why bring it up
now?
So the writer and director know if people actually liked their work. You
don't write a story to find out that people just skipped though it. You
want them to read it properly.
But no-one has ever known that from the data. Authors writing paper books
don't know that, people who write TV don't know that. They get some
kind of indication through fan mail and through appearances at
conventions and the like. But that is someway down the line. They
work off the audience sampling figures - and that shows 9.95m viewers
so far - more than all but a few non-Christmas episodes.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
But again I don't mind how you cut the cake as long as you compare
like to like. If you remove post-overnight views from one you have
to remove post-overnight views from all.
iPlayer, repeat showing and +1 statistics should not be used unless
there is a way to determine if the same person watched it more than
once, and remove them from the over all count. Repeat viewings might
make no difference to advertisers, but the BBC isn't funded by adverts.
Also people who had it on in the background should not be counted either.
OK so do you have those figures for any other episode of Doctor Who?
Or any other show for that matter. If you want to do comparisons with
what has gone before then we have to work with the figures we do have.
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The Doctor
2018-10-13 12:22:14 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 22:45:38 +0100, The True Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
My guess is that virtually no feminists, especially the ones calling for
a female Doctor, watch it at all, or even any part of it.
Well no-one actually knows how many feminists watched.
I have seen figures showing a large increase in young girls watching.
If only we know.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
No-one mentioned the dipping in and out when they were crowing about
the high viewership of Rose or Eleventh Hour etc - so why bring it up
now?
So the writer and director know if people actually liked their work. You
don't write a story to find out that people just skipped though it. You
want them to read it properly.
But no-one has ever known that from the data. Authors writing paper books
don't know that, people who write TV don't know that. They get some
kind of indication through fan mail and through appearances at
conventions and the like. But that is someway down the line. They
work off the audience sampling figures - and that shows 9.95m viewers
so far - more than all but a few non-Christmas episodes.
Well everything counts.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
But again I don't mind how you cut the cake as long as you compare
like to like. If you remove post-overnight views from one you have
to remove post-overnight views from all.
iPlayer, repeat showing and +1 statistics should not be used unless
there is a way to determine if the same person watched it more than
once, and remove them from the over all count. Repeat viewings might
make no difference to advertisers, but the BBC isn't funded by adverts.
Also people who had it on in the background should not be counted either.
OK so do you have those figures for any other episode of Doctor Who?
Or any other show for that matter. If you want to do comparisons with
what has gone before then we have to work with the figures we do have.
What about appreciation ratings?
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The Other Doctor
2018-10-13 16:24:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
Post by The True Doctor
iPlayer, repeat showing and +1 statistics should not be used unless
there is a way to determine if the same person watched it more than
once, and remove them from the over all count. Repeat viewings might
make no difference to advertisers, but the BBC isn't funded by adverts.
Also people who had it on in the background should not be counted either.
OK so do you have those figures for any other episode of Doctor Who?
Or any other show for that matter. If you want to do comparisons with
what has gone before then we have to work with the figures we do have.
What about appreciation ratings?
Why not start with your favourite site - IMDB?

Oh look. 7.7/10 so far. Pretty good, then.
The True Doctor
2018-10-13 18:02:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
Post by The True Doctor
iPlayer, repeat showing and +1 statistics should not be used unless
there is a way to determine if the same person watched it more than
once, and remove them from the over all count. Repeat viewings might
make no difference to advertisers, but the BBC isn't funded by adverts.
Also people who had it on in the background should not be counted either.
OK so do you have those figures for any other episode of Doctor Who?
Or any other show for that matter. If you want to do comparisons with
what has gone before then we have to work with the figures we do have.
What about appreciation ratings?
Why not start with your favourite site - IMDB?
Oh look. 7.7/10 so far. Pretty good, then.
It's no better than Capaldi got, and even his rubbish episodes got 9s.
The Doctor
2018-10-13 21:57:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
Post by The True Doctor
iPlayer, repeat showing and +1 statistics should not be used unless
there is a way to determine if the same person watched it more than
once, and remove them from the over all count. Repeat viewings might
make no difference to advertisers, but the BBC isn't funded by adverts.
Also people who had it on in the background should not be counted either.
OK so do you have those figures for any other episode of Doctor Who?
Or any other show for that matter. If you want to do comparisons with
what has gone before then we have to work with the figures we do have.
What about appreciation ratings?
Why not start with your favourite site - IMDB?
Oh look. 7.7/10 so far. Pretty good, then.
It's no better than Capaldi got, and even his rubbish episodes got 9s.
chibnall and whitaker are the sacrificial lambs. Game close to over!
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The Doctor
2018-10-13 21:52:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
Post by The True Doctor
iPlayer, repeat showing and +1 statistics should not be used unless
there is a way to determine if the same person watched it more than
once, and remove them from the over all count. Repeat viewings might
make no difference to advertisers, but the BBC isn't funded by adverts.
Also people who had it on in the background should not be counted either.
OK so do you have those figures for any other episode of Doctor Who?
Or any other show for that matter. If you want to do comparisons with
what has gone before then we have to work with the figures we do have.
What about appreciation ratings?
Why not start with your favourite site - IMDB?
Oh look. 7.7/10 so far. Pretty good, then.
Well it was at 5.7 so below 8!
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The True Doctor
2018-10-13 18:00:33 UTC
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Post by Andy Leighton
Post by The True Doctor
My guess is that virtually no feminists, especially the ones calling for
a female Doctor, watch it at all, or even any part of it.
Well no-one actually knows how many feminists watched.
I have seen figures showing a large increase in young girls watching.
Figures from where?

I have first hand accounts that feminists can't stand it, even though
they've not even watched it, and will never watch it even ones in their
entire lives.
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
No-one mentioned the dipping in and out when they were crowing about
the high viewership of Rose or Eleventh Hour etc - so why bring it up
now?
So the writer and director know if people actually liked their work. You
don't write a story to find out that people just skipped though it. You
want them to read it properly.
But no-one has ever known that from the data. Authors writing paper books
don't know that, people who write TV don't know that. They get some
Author's selling books know how many they've sold, so they expect most
of the people who bought them did not waster their money for nothing and
actually read them.
Post by Andy Leighton
kind of indication through fan mail and through appearances at
conventions and the like. But that is someway down the line. They
work off the audience sampling figures - and that shows 9.95m viewers
so far - more than all but a few non-Christmas episodes.
Matt Smith got over 11 million for his first story.
Post by Andy Leighton
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
But again I don't mind how you cut the cake as long as you compare
like to like. If you remove post-overnight views from one you have
to remove post-overnight views from all.
iPlayer, repeat showing and +1 statistics should not be used unless
there is a way to determine if the same person watched it more than
once, and remove them from the over all count. Repeat viewings might
make no difference to advertisers, but the BBC isn't funded by adverts.
Also people who had it on in the background should not be counted either.
OK so do you have those figures for any other episode of Doctor Who?
Or any other show for that matter. If you want to do comparisons with
what has gone before then we have to work with the figures we do have.
I have never trusted figures which include repeat showings.

The statistics should be available to distinguish, since they are
collected digitally, so they should be published.
The Doctor
2018-10-13 21:56:49 UTC
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 22:45:38 +0100, The True Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
My guess is that virtually no feminists, especially the ones calling for
a female Doctor, watch it at all, or even any part of it.
Well no-one actually knows how many feminists watched.
I have seen figures showing a large increase in young girls watching.
Figures from where?
I have first hand accounts that feminists can't stand it, even though
they've not even watched it, and will never watch it even ones in their
entire lives.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
No-one mentioned the dipping in and out when they were crowing about
the high viewership of Rose or Eleventh Hour etc - so why bring it up
now?
So the writer and director know if people actually liked their work. You
don't write a story to find out that people just skipped though it. You
want them to read it properly.
But no-one has ever known that from the data. Authors writing paper books
don't know that, people who write TV don't know that. They get some
Author's selling books know how many they've sold, so they expect most
of the people who bought them did not waster their money for nothing and
actually read them.
kind of indication through fan mail and through appearances at
conventions and the like. But that is someway down the line. They
work off the audience sampling figures - and that shows 9.95m viewers
so far - more than all but a few non-Christmas episodes.
Matt Smith got over 11 million for his first story.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
But again I don't mind how you cut the cake as long as you compare
like to like. If you remove post-overnight views from one you have
to remove post-overnight views from all.
iPlayer, repeat showing and +1 statistics should not be used unless
there is a way to determine if the same person watched it more than
once, and remove them from the over all count. Repeat viewings might
make no difference to advertisers, but the BBC isn't funded by adverts.
Also people who had it on in the background should not be counted either.
OK so do you have those figures for any other episode of Doctor Who?
Or any other show for that matter. If you want to do comparisons with
what has gone before then we have to work with the figures we do have.
I have never trusted figures which include repeat showings.
The statistics should be available to distinguish, since they are
collected digitally, so they should be published.
wilson is just another typical Male Jodieite.
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2018-10-14 08:37:53 UTC
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Post by Andy Leighton
But no-one has ever known that from the data. Authors writing paper books
don't know that, people who write TV don't know that. They get some
Author's selling books know how many they've sold, so they expect most
of the people who bought them did not waster their money for nothing and
actually read them.
Well actually they don't. Why do you think there is the term tsundoku?
Even when people have every intention of reading there are still unread
books - I should know I have a pile of them. How many people do you
think have read all of A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking? Do
you think all 10m+ people who bought it did?
In fact there is a measure called the Hawking Index which tries to
calculate how 'read' a book is in comparison to the number buying it.
And yes the Hawking Index does have flaws but it is the best calculation
we have - and it certainly indicates that not everyone reads the books
they buy.
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The Doctor
2018-10-14 12:05:20 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 19:00:33 +0100, The True Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
But no-one has ever known that from the data. Authors writing paper books
don't know that, people who write TV don't know that. They get some
Author's selling books know how many they've sold, so they expect most
of the people who bought them did not waster their money for nothing and
actually read them.
Well actually they don't. Why do you think there is the term tsundoku?
Even when people have every intention of reading there are still unread
books - I should know I have a pile of them. How many people do you
think have read all of A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking? Do
you think all 10m+ people who bought it did?
In fact there is a measure called the Hawking Index which tries to
calculate how 'read' a book is in comparison to the number buying it.
And yes the Hawking Index does have flaws but it is the best calculation
we have - and it certainly indicates that not everyone reads the books
they buy.
Well DW could be going down that same path.
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The Other Doctor
2018-10-14 13:12:15 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 19:00:33 +0100, The True Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
But no-one has ever known that from the data. Authors writing paper books
don't know that, people who write TV don't know that. They get some
Author's selling books know how many they've sold, so they expect most
of the people who bought them did not waster their money for nothing and
actually read them.
Well actually they don't. Why do you think there is the term tsundoku?
Even when people have every intention of reading there are still unread
books - I should know I have a pile of them. How many people do you
think have read all of A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking? Do
you think all 10m+ people who bought it did?
In fact there is a measure called the Hawking Index which tries to
calculate how 'read' a book is in comparison to the number buying it.
And yes the Hawking Index does have flaws but it is the best calculation
we have - and it certainly indicates that not everyone reads the books
they buy.
Well DW could be going down that same path.
Aw, so sweet, Yads. Always fun to see you making comments on things that
have whooshed straight over your head. Which is pretty much everything...
The Doctor
2018-10-14 18:00:50 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The Doctor
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 19:00:33 +0100, The True Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
But no-one has ever known that from the data. Authors writing paper books
don't know that, people who write TV don't know that. They get some
Author's selling books know how many they've sold, so they expect most
of the people who bought them did not waster their money for nothing and
actually read them.
Well actually they don't. Why do you think there is the term tsundoku?
Even when people have every intention of reading there are still unread
books - I should know I have a pile of them. How many people do you
think have read all of A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking? Do
you think all 10m+ people who bought it did?
In fact there is a measure called the Hawking Index which tries to
calculate how 'read' a book is in comparison to the number buying it.
And yes the Hawking Index does have flaws but it is the best calculation
we have - and it certainly indicates that not everyone reads the books
they buy.
Well DW could be going down that same path.
Aw, so sweet, Yads. Always fun to see you making comments on things that
have whooshed straight over your head. Which is pretty much everything...
Sorry if the Real World is passing you SW!
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The Other Doctor
2018-10-14 18:58:58 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The Doctor
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 19:00:33 +0100, The True Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
But no-one has ever known that from the data. Authors writing paper books
don't know that, people who write TV don't know that. They get some
Author's selling books know how many they've sold, so they expect most
of the people who bought them did not waster their money for nothing and
actually read them.
Well actually they don't. Why do you think there is the term tsundoku?
Even when people have every intention of reading there are still unread
books - I should know I have a pile of them. How many people do you
think have read all of A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking? Do
you think all 10m+ people who bought it did?
In fact there is a measure called the Hawking Index which tries to
calculate how 'read' a book is in comparison to the number buying it.
And yes the Hawking Index does have flaws but it is the best calculation
we have - and it certainly indicates that not everyone reads the books
they buy.
Well DW could be going down that same path.
Aw, so sweet, Yads. Always fun to see you making comments on things that
have whooshed straight over your head. Which is pretty much everything...
Sorry if the Real World is passing you SW!
You wouldn't know the real world if it bit you in the arse, Yads. One
day it will. You'll still try to deny it, but you'll find it painful
when it happens, nevertheless.
The Doctor
2018-10-14 23:37:31 UTC
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Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The Doctor
Post by The Other Doctor
Post by The Doctor
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 19:00:33 +0100, The True Doctor
Post by The True Doctor
Post by Andy Leighton
But no-one has ever known that from the data. Authors writing paper books
don't know that, people who write TV don't know that. They get some
Author's selling books know how many they've sold, so they expect most
of the people who bought them did not waster their money for nothing and
actually read them.
Well actually they don't. Why do you think there is the term tsundoku?
Even when people have every intention of reading there are still unread
books - I should know I have a pile of them. How many people do you
think have read all of A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking? Do
you think all 10m+ people who bought it did?
In fact there is a measure called the Hawking Index which tries to
calculate how 'read' a book is in comparison to the number buying it.
And yes the Hawking Index does have flaws but it is the best calculation
we have - and it certainly indicates that not everyone reads the books
they buy.
Well DW could be going down that same path.
Aw, so sweet, Yads. Always fun to see you making comments on things that
have whooshed straight over your head. Which is pretty much everything...
Sorry if the Real World is passing you SW!
You wouldn't know the real world if it bit you in the arse, Yads. One
day it will. You'll still try to deny it, but you'll find it painful
when it happens, nevertheless.
Too bad you are a Corbynite!
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:54:55 UTC
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It is totally acceptable for you not to enjoy the new series,
but you shouldn't shit all over the people who do.
The majority of people did not enjoy the new series. Only about 12% of
the population of this country watched the first episode, and most of
that would have been out of curiosity because of the ridiculous media hype.
Doctor Who got a 40% audience share - which means 40% of those
watching TV at that time were watching Doctor Who. That the majority
of people were not watching TV during that slot is neither here nor
there. There is no indication that there would be any significant
increase in the audience figures (from this week) if a male actor had
been cast. You can certainly look back at (mostly) declining figures over
the past 10 years.
Appreciation figures?
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:55:53 UTC
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Uh-hunh.  Tell me.  Do you really believe that there was an all-female
society of warrior women who conquered large parts of Europe and Asia?
Yes there was, because people were there to witness and record it's
existence and achievements and pass their records on to others.
If you really believe that you have no basis whatsoever to complain
about a little action heroing from female characters.
Is that even remotely compatible with what you believe about the martial
abilities of women?
Diodorus describes them as maiming and crippling male children in order
to be able to dominate them, which is the basis for the power of women
of the planet Lyrane in E. E. Smith's Second Stage Lensmen and Children
of the Lens.
"45 2 And since her valour and fame increased, she made war upon people
after people of neighbouring lands, and as the tide of her fortune
continued favourable, she was so filled with pride that she gave herself
the appellation of Daughter of Ares; but to the men she assigned the
spinning of wool and such other domestic duties as belong to women. Laws
were also established by her, by virtue of which she led forth the women
to the contests of war, but upon the men she fastened humiliation and
slavery. 3 And as for their children, they mutilated both the legs and
the arms of the males, incapacitating them in this way for the demands
of war, and in the case of the females they seared the right breast that
it might not project when their bodies matured and be in the way; and it
is for this reason that the nation of the Amazons received the
appellation it bears."
hibnall should have never taken over from Moffat.
I take it you mean the Doctor Who should be cancelled and never darken
our televisions again, because Lord knows they shouldn't have kept
Moffat. He was terrible and well on the way to killing it.
Moffat had River Song and The Stone Angels are a trump card.

What did Chibnall contribute under RTD and SM?
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:57:14 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:57:10 +0100,
It is totally acceptable for you not to enjoy the new series,
but you shouldn't s*t all over the people who do.
The majority of people did not enjoy the new series. Only about 12% of
the population of this country watched the first episode, and most of
that would have been out of curiosity because of the ridiculous media hype.
Doctor Who got a 40% audience share - which means 40% of those
watching TV at that time were watching Doctor Who. That the majority
of people were not watching TV during that slot is neither here nor
there. There is no indication that there would be any significant
increase in the audience figures (from this week) if a male actor had
Yes there is. Those who boycotted the show because of Whittaker would
have been watching as well.
been cast. You can certainly look back at (mostly) declining figures over
the past 10 years.
The figures declined because Moffat had effectively given up writing in
2013 when Matt Smith life and came out with nothing but s*t afterwards,
even with Sherlock.
Give Moffat some credit for The Angels and River Song.

Still interference by BBC policy does not help the matters in hand.
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:00:11 UTC
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Most of your complaints about Whittaker apply equally to Davison and
even Troughton.
How? Davison played it as an intelligent student type, so could easily
pass for a scientist, and Troughton played it like a nutty professor.
Whittaker on the other hand shows no heir of intelligence in her
manner of speech, and sounds like Mickey Mouse.
Davison was panned by many as a bland, unconvincing actor who played the
He was not.
Mister E must be a troll on the order of Idlehands.
Doctor as weak and feeble, and his interactions with his companions was
all wrong (the writers totally misunderstood the dynamic of the original
four person TARDIS crew).
Davison was fine until the introduction of Turlough and then the
character interaction became a total mess, when no one could ever trust
Turlough even after he turned away from the Black Guardian.
Enlightenmant to Planet of Fire. He was suppose to shadow
a Soviet exile of the times.
Troughton played the Doctor like a clown (the
show even explicitly acknowledged this later) and at times his portrayal
even verged on queer, hardly an authority figure.  Not surprising the
show was on the verge of cancellation when Troughton left.
Troughton rescued the show when Hartnell was unable to continue because
of health issues. It is down to his acting ability that they show
survived the regeneration and kept going. He might have acted like a
clown, but so did Tom Baker, and it worked because both showed
intelligence, and were knowledgeable and convincing.
And Pertwee was good.
Unless you agree with the above criticisms, then your bashing of
Whittaker for having female chords is really a fucking joke.
Nonsense. Whittaker can't convey being knowledgeable, Davison and
Troughton could. Whittaker is playing Mickey Mouse. She thinks it's a
game. Even the lines she's been given are totally appalling, 'whenever
there is injustice or oppression, all you need to do is call the Doctor,
and she will save the day'. 'Is it a bird, is it a plane, no it's the
Doctor'. 'Faster than a speeding bullet, stronger than a locomotive...',
blah, blah, blah. Who does Chibnall think she is, Batman or Superman?
She makes CBaker and Syl McCoy look good.
Chibnall has a choice of who to cast and who to chose as writers,
therefore the agenda is down to him.
He specifically instructed his writers to write for a male Doctor, in
the manner of Smith and Tennant, and told none of them that he had
cast a woman in the lead role.
So?  I thought we agreed that the Doctor is still male, despite the
female casting.  Just like the Doctor's still an alien, despite the
human casting.
And the problem is that Whittaker is an totally unsuitable actor to play
the part as it has been written.
And Chibnall is an unsuitable showrunner.
Chibnall started of the entire story by demeaning and humiliating
Ryan, and thus all men, by making him unable to ride a bike. He didn't
even have the bike equipped with stabilizes, so Ryan always kept
falling off has no confidence at all. He also has Ryan paying tribute
to a woman in his YouTube video.
He introduced the character of Karl has having very low confidence,
self esteem ,and being afraid of heights, in order to make Whittaker,
a woman, look macho, rescuing him, and weak and feeble man.
He has Bradley Walsh's character being subservient to a woman (his
wife), without whom he lacks and confidence in himself, and then
reveals that he is in remission of cancer, thus making him weak as well.
Whereas none of the female characters have any of these weaknesses,
and always dominate men.
Chibnall's self loathing hatred of men, his misandry, is visible in
all of his writing. In it all men are either weaklings, incompetent,
lacking confidence, unintelligent, subservient to women, evil, or
monstrous; whereas all women are strong, confident, intelligent,
virtuous and saintly. You can see that in Broadchurch where all men
are vile and weak. You can see that in Torchwood also, where none of
the male characters were likable in any way, except for Captain Jack,
who Chibnall inherited from Russell T. Davies; and Gwen Cooper is made
to dominate them all. Also Rory's father in Dinosaurs on a Space Ship
is made into a weakling, and Chibnall's Silurians (The Hungry
Earth/Cold Blood) are ruled by women, and again women dominate "42".
You sound like a real wuss when you write stuff like this.
Acknowledging the reality that men are complex creatures is hardly
demeaning, especially when the male protagonists are shown to be facing
and overcoming their weaknesses or demons. You got a problem with Ryan
Complex? The only way Chibnall has ever portrayed men is as weaklings.
If you want complex, then read Ian Fleming. That's how to do complex,
and show that men also succumb to fear, without it being demeaning; not
by turning them into feeble weaklings that can't stand up for
themselves, socialize, and inferiors to women.
Quite true.
giving a eulogy vlog for his gran?  Damn, that says more about you and
your insecurities than it does about Chibnall or any writer you'd be
bashing in his place.
It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist,
that can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning
them in order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong
female characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
Hence why DW could get the shelf in Dec 2018!
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The True Doctor
2018-10-11 22:21:55 UTC
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Unless you agree with the above criticisms, then your bashing of
Whittaker for having female chords is really a fucking joke.
Nonsense. Whittaker can't convey being knowledgeable, Davison and
Troughton could. Whittaker is playing Mickey Mouse. She thinks it's a
game. Even the lines she's been given are totally appalling, 'whenever
there is injustice or oppression, all you need to do is call the Doctor,
and she will save the day'. 'Is it a bird, is it a plane, no it's the
Doctor'. 'Faster than a speeding bullet, stronger than a locomotive...',
blah, blah, blah. Who does Chibnall think she is, Batman or Superman?
She makes CBaker and Syl McCoy look good.
Yes, she makes both their performances desirable.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:25:55 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Unless you agree with the above criticisms, then your bashing of
Whittaker for having female chords is really a fucking joke.
Nonsense. Whittaker can't convey being knowledgeable, Davison and
Troughton could. Whittaker is playing Mickey Mouse. She thinks it's a
game. Even the lines she's been given are totally appalling, 'whenever
there is injustice or oppression, all you need to do is call the Doctor,
and she will save the day'. 'Is it a bird, is it a plane, no it's the
Doctor'. 'Faster than a speeding bullet, stronger than a locomotive...',
blah, blah, blah. Who does Chibnall think she is, Batman or Superman?
She makes CBaker and Syl McCoy look good.
Yes, she makes both their performances desirable.
Thank you!
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Mister E.
2018-10-11 23:23:40 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
She makes CBaker and Syl McCoy look good.
Yes, she makes both their performances desirable.
If there was ever any doubt you two were trolling, it's gone now. Nothing
comes close to the nadir that was McCoy's performance. If you're really
going to suggest otherwise, you might as well have the words "Pro-McCoy
Troll" tattooed on your foreheads.
The True Doctor
2018-10-11 23:32:48 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
She makes CBaker and Syl McCoy look good.
Yes, she makes both their performances desirable.
If there was ever any doubt you two were trolling, it's gone now.
Nothing comes close to the nadir that was McCoy's performance.  If
you're really going to suggest otherwise, you might as well have the
words "Pro-McCoy Troll" tattooed on your foreheads.
Watch his performance as Radagast in the Hobbit. It's the best of the
entire movie, and I am not a Sylvester McCoy fan, though I've seen both
him and Colin Baker perform live in the theater and they were both very
good.

Whittaker on the other hand has no talent at all. She's not a character
actress, and only plays hysterical northern woman in everything she's
been in.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 23:36:30 UTC
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Post by The True Doctor
Post by Mister E.
Post by The True Doctor
Post by The Doctor
She makes CBaker and Syl McCoy look good.
Yes, she makes both their performances desirable.
If there was ever any doubt you two were trolling, it's gone now.
Nothing comes close to the nadir that was McCoy's performance.  If
you're really going to suggest otherwise, you might as well have the
words "Pro-McCoy Troll" tattooed on your foreheads.
Watch his performance as Radagast in the Hobbit. It's the best of the
entire movie, and I am not a Sylvester McCoy fan, though I've seen both
him and Colin Baker perform live in the theater and they were both very
good.
Whittaker on the other hand has no talent at all. She's not a character
actress, and only plays hysterical northern woman in everything she's
been in.
Thank you!
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 23:34:31 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
She makes CBaker and Syl McCoy look good.
Yes, she makes both their performances desirable.
If there was ever any doubt you two were trolling, it's gone now. Nothing
comes close to the nadir that was McCoy's performance. If you're really
going to suggest otherwise, you might as well have the words "Pro-McCoy
Troll" tattooed on your foreheads.
Thank you for the complement!
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The Doctor
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Davison was panned by many as a bland, unconvincing actor who played the
Doctor as weak and feeble, and his interactions with his companions
was all
wrong (the writers totally misunderstood the dynamic of the original
four
person TARDIS crew).  Troughton played the Doctor like a clown (the show
even explicitly acknowledged this later) and at times his portrayal even
verged on queer, hardly an authority figure.  Not surprising the show
was on
the verge of cancellation when Troughton left.
Unless you agree with the above criticisms, then your bashing of
Whittaker
for having female chords is really a joke.
What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy?  Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire?  Tomb of the Cybermen?  The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
They couldn't. Chibnall doesn't have a clue how to write science
fiction. All his does is soap and man bashing.
Something Mister E cannot see.
Those stories all came later in their runs.  Those who made up their
minds about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever
get close, and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons
to bash those stories by the time they did come around.
There were very few people complaining about Troughton and Davison. Both
got around 95% or more approval when they were cast. Whittaker barely
managed 50%. She is the most despised actor ever to play the Doctor.
Even McCoy and CBaker scored higher.
So?  I thought we agreed that the Doctor is still male, despite the
female
casting.  Just like the Doctor's still an alien, despite the human
casting.
In the case of Chibnall , he has a complex about male characters.
You mean he writes complex male characters.  Already covered that.
No he doesn't, and never has done. Ian Fleming writers complex male
characters. Chris Chibnall portrays all men as weaklings in order to
demean them, so that his female characters look strong.
TTD 1 ME 0
You sound like a real wuss when you write stuff like this.
Acknowledging
the reality that men are complex creatures is hardly demeaning,
especially
when the male protagonists are shown to be facing and overcoming their
weaknesses or demons.  You got a problem with Ryan giving a eulogy
vlog for
his gran?  Damn, that says more about you and your insecurities than
it does
about Chibnall or any writer you'd be bashing in his place.
chibnall is unsuitable!
Nonsense.  A quick Google image search of Chris Chibnall wearing a suit
easily disproves that claim.
Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
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Post by The True Doctor
What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up their minds
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever get close,
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to bash those
stories by the time they did come around.
Not just that there were made a generation or two ago in TV times.
TV drama is just not shot or structured like that anymore. Having
To its detriment. It become totally plot-less and unwatchable.
And bland. No charisma.
Post by The True Doctor
re-watched The War Games recently (on the Twitch marathon) I don't
want stories structured like The War Games. Tomb was replete with
not-so-subtle racism and a load of idiotic plotting which just didn't
make sense.
Wrong! These stories were written as serials. Modern drama, if you can
call it that, is written as soap opera. It no longer has a plot, it's no
longer about new concepts and ideas, there is no credible romance in it,
there is no credible dialogue in it which conveys the story and the plot
in a concisely, but it's just people having pointless idiotic everyday
conversions to fill time, and then everything that should have been
shown actually happening, which should have been the object of
communication is revealed just before the end as happening off screen,
in a throw away line. And the reason for this terrible writing because
the education system has gone completely down the toilet, with the
classics from which all the great writers learned from, being removed
from the curriculum in state schools, and replaced with trash and
garbage equivalent to modern art.
ARGH!!
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I speculate that while in mid-air, the Doctor used her leftover
regeneration energy to morph into a bird or bat like creature to slow
her fall, like Romana II trying on several forms! As she neared the
ground, she would morph into her Jodie form, curl into a ball, & smash a
hole in the train roof!
Why not just fly off and make a safe landing first, and then go back to
Jodie form?
Whatever CC is on about.
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:11:36 UTC
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I'm British. California consists of
San Francisco
Los Angeles (including Hollywood, Malibu and Silicon Valley)
Some big trees somewhere
Some desert
And a big crack west of which are all the fun parts, which are going to
fall into the ocean any day now.
All of it except Alcatraz, for purposes of classifying its people, is in
the Valley.
You've been lied to by Hollywood. California is an entirely fictional
construct.
LOL!
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:12:01 UTC
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I'm British. California consists of
San Francisco
Los Angeles (including Hollywood, Malibu and Silicon Valley)
Some big trees somewhere
Some desert
And a big crack west of which are all the fun parts, which are going to
fall into the ocean any day now.
All of it except Alcatraz, for purposes of classifying its people, is in
the Valley.
You've been lied to by Hollywood. California is an entirely fictional
construct.
If only...
The Republics might think so.
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 22:13:55 UTC
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The majority of people did not enjoy the new series. Only about 12% of
the population of this country watched the first episode, and most of
that would have been out of curiosity because of the ridiculous media hype.
Is this 12% lower than the opening for last season?
Wish I knew.
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He has Bradley Walsh's character being subservient to a woman (his
wife), without whom he lacks and confidence in himself, and then reveals
that he is in remission of cancer, thus making him weak as well.
So you consider those who have fought cancer to be weak? Wouldn't one
He's in remission so there is always the fear that the cancer will come
back, so Walsh is given a weakness by Chibnall to make him subservient
to Whittaker.
Graham thinks that if he stands up to a woman, his cancer will come
back? What a weird idea.
Graham thinks he should have died instead of his wife, so that makes him
subservient to Whittaker, another woman.
Along those lines.
have to be emotionally strong to face death, and undergo treatments that
make them throw up & lose their hair?
No, you always fear death, unless you are a fool looking for glory. Even
Ian Fleming has James Bond fearing death, but an even worse fear is
having his masculinity removed.
Did James Bond ever have cancer?
He nearly had his balls cut off.
Octopussy!
No. Casino Royale.
The torture scene.
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The Doctor
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Aggy absurdly attempted to assert...
Whittaker on the other hand shows no heir of intelligence in her
manner of speech, and sounds like Mickey Mouse.
Mickey Mouse with a Yorkshire accent.
Name three cartoons in which Mickey Mouse had a Yorkshire
accent!
Hopefully none were every made, else no one would watch them.
TDD 2 SP 0
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Mister E.
2018-10-12 00:14:07 UTC
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There were very few people complaining about Troughton and Davison.
The internet wasn't around and publicly available back then. There's no
doubt if it was there would've been people bashing them with the same
vitriol as you.
Both got around 95% or more approval when they were cast.
Source?
Whittaker barely managed 50%. She is the most despised actor ever to play
the Doctor.
I said I agreed the way the first female actor to play the Doctor was
marketed by the BBC is toxic and trollish. That's what most people who
react negatively are reacting to, not the actor herself.
No he doesn't, and never has done. Ian Fleming writers complex male
characters. Chris Chibnall portrays all men as weaklings in order to demean
them, so that his female characters look strong.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. At this point neither one of
us is going to convince the other. Maybe things will change later.
chibnall is unsuitable!
Nonsense. A quick Google image search of Chris Chibnall wearing a suit
easily disproves that claim.
Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
I have no interest in seeing him unsuited, but whatever floats your boat . .
.
The Doctor
2018-10-12 00:29:13 UTC
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Post by Mister E.
There were very few people complaining about Troughton and Davison.
The internet wasn't around and publicly available back then. There's no
doubt if it was there would've been people bashing them with the same
vitriol as you.
Both got around 95% or more approval when they were cast.
Source?
Whittaker barely managed 50%. She is the most despised actor ever to play
the Doctor.
I said I agreed the way the first female actor to play the Doctor was
marketed by the BBC is toxic and trollish. That's what most people who
react negatively are reacting to, not the actor herself.
And that is Chibnall's fault.
Post by Mister E.
No he doesn't, and never has done. Ian Fleming writers complex male
characters. Chris Chibnall portrays all men as weaklings in order to demean
them, so that his female characters look strong.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. At this point neither one of
us is going to convince the other. Maybe things will change later.
iGoogle Chris Chibnall weak male characterisation.
Post by Mister E.
chibnall is unsuitable!
Nonsense. A quick Google image search of Chris Chibnall wearing a suit
easily disproves that claim.
Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
I have no interest in seeing him unsuited, but whatever floats your boat . .
.
You fail the Solar Penguin trolling Test.
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Timothy Bruening
2018-10-12 01:29:46 UTC
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There were very few people complaining about Troughton and Davison. Both
got around 95% or more approval when they were cast. Whittaker barely
managed 50%. She is the most despised actor ever to play the Doctor.
The Trump of Doctor Who, the Doctor-Donald!
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Post by Timothy Bruening
There were very few people complaining about Troughton and Davison. Both
got around 95% or more approval when they were cast. Whittaker barely
managed 50%. She is the most despised actor ever to play the Doctor.
The Trump of Doctor Who, the Doctor-Donald!
Stop Disrespecting, polluting and spamtrolling rec.arts.drwho Tim!!

You are making enemies!! Your behaviour is unacceptable Tim!

You are showing yourself to be anti-social.

You will be remembered as the terrorist of rec.arts.drwho on the order of
Osama Bin Laden of Al-Qaeda !

Such posts are as bad as crashing jetliners into the World Trade centers.

Your spamtrolling is not appreciated Tim!!


Your spamtrolling posts are less and less apreciated each passing day!

Stop giving rec.arts.drwho the middle finger Tim!

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solar penguin
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On 11/10/18 09:34, Stephen stated...
Aggy absurdly attempted to assert...
Whittaker on the other hand shows no heir of intelligence in her
manner of speech, and sounds like Mickey Mouse.
Name three cartoons in which Mickey Mouse had a Yorkshire
accent!
And while he's at it, explain why her heir is of any relevance.
It's not her heir. It's the "heir of intelligence", i.e. the darker
aspects of the Doctor's personality caused by the Great Intelligence
messing with the timeline. There was no sign of that in Jodie's
performance, perhaps indicating that regenerating into a woman has
finally freed the Doctor from the last traces of it.

(And yes, I know that isn't what Aggy really meant, but his typos
literally make more sense than his real opinions!)
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Post by solar penguin
On 11/10/18 09:34, Stephen stated...
Aggy absurdly attempted to assert...
Whittaker on the other hand shows no heir of intelligence in her
manner of speech, and sounds like Mickey Mouse.
Name three cartoons in which Mickey Mouse had a Yorkshire
accent!
And while he's at it, explain why her heir is of any relevance.
It's not her heir. It's the "heir of intelligence", i.e. the darker
aspects of the Doctor's personality caused by the Great Intelligence
messing with the timeline. There was no sign of that in Jodie's
performance, perhaps indicating that regenerating into a woman has
finally freed the Doctor from the last traces of it.
(And yes, I know that isn't what Aggy really meant, but his typos
literally make more sense than his real opinions!)
Trollwing does it again!
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2018-10-12 13:32:55 UTC
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Well I don't think the BBC are going to agree with you there.
The UK overnight figures are very strong.
Like usual new Doctor episodes, it was a good introduction to what
the Doctor will be along with a moderate plot. Like this Doctor is into making
her tools as she needs them, and she didn't make an electric guitar. The culottes
look like a compromise to keep fans from bitching.
I like how she made her screwdriver with a handle, sort of like how in
Star Wars, like Count Dokku's light saber in shaped.
It looks designed rather than just a bunch of tubes and bolts in a row.
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2018-10-12 14:20:40 UTC
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Well I don't think the BBC are going to agree with you there.
The UK overnight figures are very strong.
Like usual new Doctor episodes, it was a good introduction to what
the Doctor will be along with a moderate plot. Like this Doctor is
into making
her tools as she needs them, and she didn't make an electric guitar.
The culottes
look like a compromise to keep fans from bitching.
I like how she made her screwdriver with a handle, sort of like how in
Star Wars, like Count Dokku's light saber in shaped.
It looks designed rather than just a bunch of tubes and bolts in a row.
Bad mental picture.
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2018-10-12 14:33:28 UTC
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Post by ~consul
Well I don't think the BBC are going to agree with you there.
The UK overnight figures are very strong.
Like usual new Doctor episodes, it was a good introduction to what
the Doctor will be along with a moderate plot. Like this Doctor is into making
her tools as she needs them, and she didn't make an electric guitar. The culottes
look like a compromise to keep fans from bitching.
I like how she made her screwdriver with a handle, sort of like how in
Star Wars, like Count Dokku's light saber in shaped.
It looks designed rather than just a bunch of tubes and bolts in a row.
Nothing at phallic about the cylindrical screwdrivers.
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Post by ~consul
Well I don't think the BBC are going to agree with you there.
The UK overnight figures are very strong.
Like usual new Doctor episodes, it was a good introduction to what
the Doctor will be along with a moderate plot. Like this Doctor is into making
her tools as she needs them, and she didn't make an electric guitar. The culottes
look like a compromise to keep fans from bitching.
I like how she made her screwdriver with a handle, sort of like how in
Star Wars, like Count Dokku's light saber in shaped.
It looks designed rather than just a bunch of tubes and bolts in a row.
Nothing at phallic about the cylindrical screwdrivers.
Unless The Dcotor is not himself.
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Pudentame
2018-10-15 01:31:15 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:52:52 +1100, Daniel60
I reckon there would be a fair portion of kids, now-a-days, that cannot
ride bikes ... because their "kid glove handling" parents are too
worried about them being knocked over by cars!!
It states in the dialog he has dyspraxia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_coordination_disorder
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2018-10-15 05:30:01 UTC
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Post by Pudentame
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:52:52 +1100, Daniel60
I reckon there would be a fair portion of kids, now-a-days, that cannot
ride bikes ... because their "kid glove handling" parents are too
worried about them being knocked over by cars!!
It states in the dialog he has dyspraxia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_coordination_disorder
Like Tim Bruening.
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Post by Pudentame
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:52:52 +1100, Daniel60
I reckon there would be a fair portion of kids, now-a-days, that cannot
ride bikes ... because their "kid glove handling" parents are too
worried about them being knocked over by cars!!
It states in the dialog he has dyspraxia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_coordination_disorder
Like Tim Bruening.
Mine is autism. I can ride a bike just fine.
Daniel60
2018-10-15 12:29:13 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by Pudentame
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:52:52 +1100, Daniel60
I reckon there would be a fair portion of kids, now-a-days, that cannot
ride bikes ... because their "kid glove handling" parents are too
worried about them being knocked over by cars!!
It states in the dialog he has dyspraxia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_coordination_disorder
Like Tim Bruening.
Mine is autism. I can ride a bike just fine.
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Post by The Doctor
Post by Pudentame
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:52:52 +1100, Daniel60
I reckon there would be a fair portion of kids, now-a-days, that cannot
ride bikes ... because their "kid glove handling" parents are too
worried about them being knocked over by cars!!
It states in the dialog he has dyspraxia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_coordination_disorder
Like Tim Bruening.
Mine is autism. I can ride a bike just fine.
Are you trying to justify your malicious spamtrolling behaviour?
If you are, you are making a poor case!
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