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The True Doctor
2018-10-11 20:46:05 UTC
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What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up their minds
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever get close,
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to bash those
stories by the time they did come around.
Not just that there were made a generation or two ago in TV times.
TV drama is just not shot or structured like that anymore. Having
To its detriment. It become totally plot-less and unwatchable.
re-watched The War Games recently (on the Twitch marathon) I don't
want stories structured like The War Games. Tomb was replete with
not-so-subtle racism and a load of idiotic plotting which just didn't
make sense.
Wrong! These stories were written as serials. Modern drama, if you can
call it that, is written as soap opera. It no longer has a plot, it's no
longer about new concepts and ideas, there is no credible romance in it,
there is no credible dialogue in it which conveys the story and the plot
in a concisely, but it's just people having pointless idiotic everyday
conversions to fill time, and then everything that should have been
shown actually happening, which should have been the object of
communication is revealed just before the end as happening off screen,
in a throw away line. And the reason for this terrible writing because
the education system has gone completely down the toilet, with the
classics from which all the great writers learned from, being removed
from the curriculum in state schools, and replaced with trash and
garbage equivalent to modern art.
The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:15:53 UTC
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Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
Whereas your idea of suitable is, what - yourself?

Let's see.

Aggy's professionally published output = 0
Aggy's professionally scripts = 0
Aggy's involvement in professional TV = 0
Aggy's ability as a professional writer = 0

Just some of Chris Chibnall's professional experience:
Life On Mars - writer of 2 episodes
Torchwood - writer of 8 episodes
Doctor Who - writer of 5 episodes (prior to 2018)
Law and Order - writer of 6 episodes
Broadchurch - creator

And Chibnall's first episode as showrunner has eclipsed all of Moffat's in
terms of overnight ratings and positive reviews.

Ultimately though, nobody cares what you think, Aggy. Nobody cares what your
lapdog (Yads) thinks. Chibnall doesn't care. The BBC doesn't care. I don't
care. radw doesn't care.

You're hooked on it, no matter what you say. You're going to watch the next
story, no matter what you say. And you can criticise it all you like. Nobody
cares. Unlike you (and Yads) - if we thought it was rubbish we'd stop
watching.

You can twist the facts all you like, Aggy. You can rant and rave all you
like. Your opinion has no impact. The only one who loses out is you.
The True Doctor
2018-10-11 21:53:47 UTC
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Chibnall is an unsuitable show runner!
Whereas your idea of suitable is, what - yourself?
Let's see.
Aggy's professionally published output = 0
Aggy's professionally scripts = 0
Aggy's involvement in professional TV = 0
Aggy's ability as a professional writer = 0
Professional Proshmessinal.

I've published over two dozen outlines for Doctor Who stories on this
forum including scene by scene outlines for one complete 14 part series
with Christmas special and 1 female Doctor story; also 6 other female
Doctor stories, and 6 parts of an epic Doctor Who serial. On top of that
1 full script.

What have you published?
Post by The Other Doctor
Life On Mars - writer of 2 episodes
Torchwood - writer of 8 episodes
Doctor Who - writer of 5 episodes (prior to 2018)
Law and Order - writer of 6 episodes
Broadchurch - creator
And all of them had one thing in common, apart from being mostly
rubbish. They all sought to demean, demonize, or humiliate men.
Post by The Other Doctor
And Chibnall's first episode as showrunner has eclipsed all of Moffat's in
terms of overnight ratings and positive reviews.
People are stupid. The final episode of Bodyguard was complete and utter
garbage, and yet more people watched it, all because of the media hype.
Post by The Other Doctor
Ultimately though, nobody cares what you think, Aggy. Nobody cares what your
lapdog (Yads) thinks. Chibnall doesn't care. The BBC doesn't care. I don't
care. radw doesn't care.
The BBC will soon start caring when it has had its license fee
abolished, and I and other fans refuse to buy any of its Doctor Who
merchandise.
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You're hooked on it, no matter what you say. You're going to watch the next
story, no matter what you say. And you can criticise it all you like. Nobody
cares. Unlike you (and Yads) - if we thought it was rubbish we'd stop
watching.
You can twist the facts all you like, Aggy. You can rant and rave all you
like. Your opinion has no impact. The only one who loses out is you.
The one who loses out is the BBC. I will not be spending my money with them.
The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:19:00 UTC
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What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up their minds
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever get close,
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to bash those
stories by the time they did come around.
Not just that there were made a generation or two ago in TV times.
TV drama is just not shot or structured like that anymore. Having
To its detriment. It become totally plot-less and unwatchable.
re-watched The War Games recently (on the Twitch marathon) I don't
want stories structured like The War Games. Tomb was replete with
not-so-subtle racism and a load of idiotic plotting which just didn't
make sense.
Wrong! These stories were written as serials. Modern drama, if you can
call it that, is written as soap opera. It no longer has a plot, it's no
longer about new concepts and ideas, there is no credible romance in it,
there is no credible dialogue in it which conveys the story and the plot
in a concisely, but it's just people having pointless idiotic everyday
conversions to fill time, and then everything that should have been shown
actually happening, which should have been the object of communication is
revealed just before the end as happening off screen, in a throw away
line. And the reason for this terrible writing because the education
system has gone completely down the toilet, with the classics from which
all the great writers learned from, being removed from the curriculum in
state schools, and replaced with trash and garbage equivalent to modern
art.
Keep telling yourself that. It won't make it true. But if it makes you feel
better, go for it.

You could stick to watching videos from the 1960s. You claim to hate
everything that is modern. You watch it anyway. Don't you think that's
rather sad?
The True Doctor
2018-10-11 21:17:58 UTC
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On Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:39:50 UTC+1, The True Doctor trolled...
On Wednesday, 10 October 2018 22:58:56 UTC+1, Aggy angrily argued...
Aggy, dear - almost everything you write is a work of fiction. And you
wouldn't know where to start when it comes to writing real characters.
You don't have a clue how to write anything that's convincing. My
characters reflect reality.
Reflect it in a distorting mirror, no doubt.
That would be Chibnall's reality, reality turned upside down and back to
front, so the world is run by women, and no one but women. Bodyguard has
shown us what to expect of the BBC's misandristic agenda. They don't
want any male viewers to watch anything on the station at all. Let's see
how they like it when the government abolishes the license fee.
I'm probably the only person in the country who hasn't seen
Bodyguard (neither the original Whitney Houston film, nor
this racist remake in which her character is replaced by
a white politician because we can't show blacks in
positions of power, can we?) so I can't judge how well
it was written.
But even if it didn't accurately reflect reality, that
still doesn't mean your writing does.
You missed Bodyguard Solar birdie?
He didn't miss much. It was sexist, and as he pointed out, racist garbage.
The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:31:05 UTC
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On Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:39:50 UTC+1, The True Doctor trolled...
On Wednesday, 10 October 2018 22:58:56 UTC+1, Aggy angrily argued...
Aggy, dear - almost everything you write is a work of fiction. And you
wouldn't know where to start when it comes to writing real characters.
You don't have a clue how to write anything that's convincing. My
characters reflect reality.
Reflect it in a distorting mirror, no doubt.
That would be Chibnall's reality, reality turned upside down and back to
front, so the world is run by women, and no one but women. Bodyguard has
shown us what to expect of the BBC's misandristic agenda. They don't
want any male viewers to watch anything on the station at all. Let's see
how they like it when the government abolishes the license fee.
I'm probably the only person in the country who hasn't seen
Bodyguard (neither the original Whitney Houston film, nor
this racist remake in which her character is replaced by
a white politician because we can't show blacks in
positions of power, can we?) so I can't judge how well
it was written.
But even if it didn't accurately reflect reality, that
still doesn't mean your writing does.
You missed Bodyguard Solar birdie?
He didn't miss much. It was sexist, and as he pointed out, racist garbage.
I didn't watch it. But let's see the ratings on IMDB.
8.4/10.
Let's see how it performed in the ratings. Hmm. "Bodyguard sets amazing new
ratings record for BBC One" according to Digital Spy. "Bodyguard peaks with
10.4m viewers for series finale" according to the Guardian. "BBC One's
Bodyguard ends on a high and breaks BBC iPlayer records" according to the
BBC.

Looks like you're on your own there, Aggy. Just for a change, eh? Still, one
consolation. At least you've got Yads to lick your arse for you...
The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:20:47 UTC
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It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
The True Doctor
2018-10-11 21:31:32 UTC
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It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a
man, and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel
happy.
The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:40:49 UTC
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It's shows that Chibnall is a self loathing, emasculated, misandrist, that
can't write strong male characters and is hell bent on demeaning them in
order to make women look strong, because he can't write strong female
characters either, and has got issues about his identity.
No, Aggy. It shows Chibnall has no issues. The person with all the problems
is yourself.
No. It's Chibnall that has the issues with his identity. I know I'm a man,
and I am happy being a man. I don't need to demean all men to feel happy.
Hmm. Chris Chibnall. Born 1970. MA from University of Sheffield. Married to
Madeline.
Argyros Argyrou. Unpaid DJ on a community radio station. Unmarried.

One of you is successful and married. 'nuff said.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:42:46 UTC
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Davison was panned by many as a bland, unconvincing actor who played the
Doctor as weak and feeble, and his interactions with his companions was
all
wrong (the writers totally misunderstood the dynamic of the original four
person TARDIS crew). Troughton played the Doctor like a clown (the show
even explicitly acknowledged this later) and at times his portrayal even
verged on queer, hardly an authority figure. Not surprising the show was
on
the verge of cancellation when Troughton left.
Unless you agree with the above criticisms, then your bashing of Whittaker
for having female chords is really a joke.
What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up their minds
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever get close,
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to bash those
stories by the time they did come around.
Tomb was Early Troughton! Black Guardian Thrillogy was Mid-Davison.

Later in their runs? What are you?

Add Genesis of the Daleks and Inferno to the list!
So? I thought we agreed that the Doctor is still male, despite the female
casting. Just like the Doctor's still an alien, despite the human
casting.
In the case of Chibnall , he has a complex about male characters.
You mean he writes complex male characters. Already covered that.
They are not complex, rather weak!
You sound like a real wuss when you write stuff like this. Acknowledging
the reality that men are complex creatures is hardly demeaning, especially
when the male protagonists are shown to be facing and overcoming their
weaknesses or demons. You got a problem with Ryan giving a eulogy vlog
for
his gran? Damn, that says more about you and your insecurities than it
does
about Chibnall or any writer you'd be bashing in his place.
chibnall is unsuitable!
Nonsense. A quick Google image search of Chris Chibnall wearing a suit
easily disproves that claim.
I am sorry but you do not pass the Solar Penguin Troll Test!
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The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:48:54 UTC
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chibnall is unsuitable!
Nonsense. A quick Google image search of Chris Chibnall wearing a suit
easily disproves that claim.
I am sorry but you do not pass the Solar Penguin Troll Test!
It is my honour and pleasure to confirm that you have passed the Solar
Penguin "I'm an Idiot" Test. In fact you passed with flying colours (as well
as feathers). Congratulations.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:43:45 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
And we are still waiting for the final figures.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
programme. There was no indication that people were turning off.
It is totally acceptable for you not to enjoy the new series,
but you shouldn't s*t all over the people who do.
I would thank you not to edit my words - I said s*t not s*t.
Do learn not to swear.
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The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:49:52 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
And we are still waiting for the final figures.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
programme. There was no indication that people were turning off.
It is totally acceptable for you not to enjoy the new series,
but you shouldn't s*t all over the people who do.
I would thank you not to edit my words - I said s*t not s*t.
Do learn not to swear.
Do learn to fuck off.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:44:48 UTC
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What about The Black Guardian Thrillogy? Caves of Androzani?
Planet of Fire? Tomb of the Cybermen? The War Games?
I doubt Chibnall / Whittaker could even get close!
Those stories all came later in their runs. Those who made up their minds
about Troughton and Davison early on also doubted they would ever get close,
and were probably going out of their ways to look for reasons to bash those
stories by the time they did come around.
Not just that there were made a generation or two ago in TV times.
TV drama is just not shot or structured like that anymore. Having
re-watched The War Games recently (on the Twitch marathon) I don't
want stories structured like The War Games. Tomb was replete with
not-so-subtle racism and a load of idiotic plotting which just didn't
make sense.
Tomb does not make sense? Excuse me but do the words Red scare
come to mind?

Also add Inferno and Genesis of the Daleks to the list.
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:46:50 UTC
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:30:02 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
Time for Chibnall to go!
Yeah. Because his Doctor Who debut is the most watched launch in 10 years
and is an unequivocal success.
Time for you to quit whining. Loser.
Wilson, you are non-rational as it gets.
Your endoresement of Chibnall is a great atni-endorsement!
Really?
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
There are more than that. You're only counting new Doctor debuts.
TDD 1 AL 0
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
On the other hand it is obvious that you (and Ags) had made your
mind up as soon as the casting was announced. It is you that
What else do you expect when the talent-less Jodie Whittaker, who has
only ever played the part of hysterical northern woman as cast in the
lead role? It was already bad enough that Chibnall who had made a
complete mess of Torchwood, making almost every character unlikable, so
he could kill them all off in the end, without anyone batting an eyelid,
was made show runner.
They said look at Broadchurch. UGH!!
are flooding the groups with negative posts - all saying much
the same thing. If you don't like the show anymore don't watch it.
How about the BBC making a show which men (who haven't been emasculated)
and science fiction fans actually want to watch, instead of taking one
away from them and leaving them with nothing? The BBC talks about
diversity, but turning what used to be a science fiction family show
into a soap opera directed almost exclusively at women, and attacking
and demeaning all the male characters in the process, like is happening
with everything else that's on the BBC now, isn't helping diversity in
any way.
The BBC is fundamentally and institutionally sexist, racist, and
chauvinistic in every way possible; and the new series of Doctor Who is
an example of that sexist and racist chauvinism, which is directed
against white, heterosexual males; as was Troy: Fall of a City, which
didn't cast a single Greek actor, let alone any Greek looking ones, in
any leading role.
And DW is heading the same way under Chibnall!
I mean there are other avenues you can get your Doctor Who fix such
as BF audio,comics and books - which I can't recall you posting
about recently. Although the comics and books have moved on to
Jodie's Doctor a load of other stuff still exists.
If the BBC were to allow others to make live action Doctor Who, only
then would people have a real choice of an alternative; and the market
would decide if people preferred a male or a female Doctor, not the
BBC's sexist, racist, and heterophobic agenda.
Time to clean house!
It is totally acceptable for you not to enjoy the new series,
but you shouldn't shit all over the people who do.
The majority of people did not enjoy the new series. Only about 12% of
the population of this country watched the first episode, and most of
that would have been out of curiosity because of the ridiculous media hype.
I hear the appreciation share coule be low.
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The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:51:38 UTC
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I hear the appreciation share coule be low.
Well done. You hear wrong. Perhaps you need a hearing aid. And glasses. And
a brain...
The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:50:28 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
_The Woman Who Fell To Earth_ was the most watched launch for a
long time (up to 9.76m viewers now). Only 3 epsiodes ever of nuWho
have higher ratings. It has also received generally good reviews
in the press. That would be a success in anyone's books.
Most of the latecomers were tuning into Strictly Come Dancing.
What do you mean latecomers. The number has been going up based
upon those watching iplayer or a DVR recording or other VOD service.
True there was a small uptick at 1940 on the night - but that wasn't
particularly significant. The numbers were solid throughout the
I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
programme. There was no indication that people were turning off.
There is no indication that the same people watched the episode all the
way though from start to finish either. What are the numbers for unique
individuals who watched at least 90% of the episode, including the
ending, and unique individuals who made up the 8.2 million average
throughout, and the total time watched between them? Having a show where
half the viewers leave in the middle and are replaced by an equal number
who watch it from middle to end, might be ok for selling advertising,
but is a totally ridiculous way of indicating weather people actually
liked it enough to watch it all. Also how many people are counted who
just had the TV on in the background, like I did when I watched the last
episode of Bodyguard, which turned out to be another over-hyped sexist
gimmick.
Hear! Hear!!
It is totally acceptable for you not to enjoy the new series,
but you shouldn't s*t all over the people who do.
I would thank you not to edit my words - I said s*t not s*t.
Someone needs to learn to have manners.
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The Other Doctor
2018-10-11 21:55:28 UTC
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I'm not going to disagree with that. 8.2 million was the average over
the whole show, and a tiny peak near the end means that viewing was
uniform.
Exactly. How many watched the full 60 minutes?
You did. Despite claiming to hate it. And you'll be watching every second of
the next episode.

Loser.
The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:54:55 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:57:10 +0100,
It is totally acceptable for you not to enjoy the new series,
but you shouldn't shit all over the people who do.
The majority of people did not enjoy the new series. Only about 12% of
the population of this country watched the first episode, and most of
that would have been out of curiosity because of the ridiculous media hype.
Doctor Who got a 40% audience share - which means 40% of those
watching TV at that time were watching Doctor Who. That the majority
of people were not watching TV during that slot is neither here nor
there. There is no indication that there would be any significant
increase in the audience figures (from this week) if a male actor had
been cast. You can certainly look back at (mostly) declining figures over
the past 10 years.
Appreciation figures?
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The Doctor
2018-10-11 21:55:53 UTC
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Uh-hunh.  Tell me.  Do you really believe that there was an all-female
society of warrior women who conquered large parts of Europe and Asia?
Yes there was, because people were there to witness and record it's
existence and achievements and pass their records on to others.
If you really believe that you have no basis whatsoever to complain
about a little action heroing from female characters.
Is that even remotely compatible with what you believe about the martial
abilities of women?
Diodorus describes them as maiming and crippling male children in order
to be able to dominate them, which is the basis for the power of women
of the planet Lyrane in E. E. Smith's Second Stage Lensmen and Children
of the Lens.
"45 2 And since her valour and fame increased, she made war upon people
after people of neighbouring lands, and as the tide of her fortune
continued favourable, she was so filled with pride that she gave herself
the appellation of Daughter of Ares; but to the men she assigned the
spinning of wool and such other domestic duties as belong to women. Laws
were also established by her, by virtue of which she led forth the women
to the contests of war, but upon the men she fastened humiliation and
slavery. 3 And as for their children, they mutilated both the legs and
the arms of the males, incapacitating them in this way for the demands
of war, and in the case of the females they seared the right breast that
it might not project when their bodies matured and be in the way; and it
is for this reason that the nation of the Amazons received the
appellation it bears."
hibnall should have never taken over from Moffat.
I take it you mean the Doctor Who should be cancelled and never darken
our televisions again, because Lord knows they shouldn't have kept
Moffat. He was terrible and well on the way to killing it.
Moffat had River Song and The Stone Angels are a trump card.

What did Chibnall contribute under RTD and SM?
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