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Timothy Bruening
2020-06-26 13:14:47 UTC
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An Unearthly Child: The Tribe of Gum is screwed, because Za's Dad neglected to teach him how to make fire before dying. After Ian teaches Za how to make fire, I predict that Za's tribemates will pester his to show them how to make fire, as a basic safety precaution to avoid a repeat of their recent fireless ordeal.
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2020-06-26 13:21:43 UTC
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An Unearthly Child: The Tribe of Gum is screwed, because Za's Dad neglected to teach him how to make fire before dying. After Ian teaches Za how to make fire, I predict that Za's tribemates will pester his to show them how to make fire, as a basic safety precaution to avoid a repeat of their recent fireless ordeal.
Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
The Doctor
2020-06-26 14:19:38 UTC
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An Unearthly Child: The Tribe of Gum is screwed, because Za's Dad
neglected to teach him how to make fire before dying. After Ian teaches
Za how to make fire, I predict that Za's tribemates will pester his to
show them how to make fire, as a basic safety precaution to avoid a
repeat of their recent fireless ordeal.
Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
2 of the unholy trinity of radw thus communed.
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2020-06-26 15:53:15 UTC
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An Unearthly Child: The Tribe of Gum is screwed, because Za's Dad neglected to teach him how to make fire before dying. After Ian teaches Za how to make fire, I predict that Za's tribemates will pester his to show them how to make fire, as a basic safety precaution to avoid a repeat of their recent fireless ordeal.
Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
The tardis wikia article on An Unearthly Child says that Ian taught Za how to make fire via friction.

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/An_Unearthly_Child_(TV_story)
The Doctor
2020-06-26 21:15:59 UTC
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An Unearthly Child: The Tribe of Gum is screwed, because Za's Dad
neglected to teach him how to make fire before dying. After Ian teaches
Za how to make fire, I predict that Za's tribemates will pester his to
show them how to make fire, as a basic safety precaution to avoid a
repeat of their recent fireless ordeal.
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Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
The tardis wikia article on An Unearthly Child says that Ian taught Za
how to make fire via friction.
https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/An_Unearthly_Child_(TV_story)
2 of the unholy trinity of radw thus communed.
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2020-06-26 15:56:44 UTC
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An Unearthly Child: The Tribe of Gum is screwed, because Za's Dad neglected to teach him how to make fire before dying. After Ian teaches Za how to make fire, I predict that Za's tribemates will pester his to show them how to make fire, as a basic safety precaution to avoid a repeat of their recent fireless ordeal.
Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
Who did?
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2020-06-26 16:55:21 UTC
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Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
Who did?
Nobody. He saw Ian create a fire. But Ian didn't teach him.

Besides, even if he had, he wouldn't have taught anyone else. He wouldn't be leader if anyone else knew.
Timothy Bruening
2020-06-26 19:16:33 UTC
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Ian showed Za how to start a fire 🔥. Wouldn't that count as teaching via example?
The Doctor
2020-06-26 21:18:40 UTC
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Ian showed Za how to start a fire 🔥. Wouldn't that count as teaching
via example?
He did?
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2020-06-26 19:20:17 UTC
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the consequences of allowing a critical technology to rest in the mind of just one person. Logic would dictate that they demand that Za teach them how to make fire 🔥.
The Doctor
2020-06-26 21:18:54 UTC
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the consequences of
allowing a critical technology to rest in the mind of just one person.
Logic would dictate that they demand that Za teach them how to make fire
🔥.
No.
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Tim Bruening
2020-06-27 00:30:37 UTC
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the consequences of
allowing a critical technology to rest in the mind of just one person.
Logic would dictate that they demand that Za teach them how to make fire
🔥.
No.
What is illogical about demanding that everyone be taught how to make fire?
The Doctor
2020-06-27 00:33:04 UTC
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the consequences of
allowing a critical technology to rest in the mind of just one person.
Logic would dictate that they demand that Za teach them how to make fire
🔥.
No.
What is illogical about demanding that everyone be taught how to make fire?
REcall: Only the leader can make fire.
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2020-06-27 00:42:43 UTC
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the consequences of
allowing a critical technology to rest in the mind of just one person.
Logic would dictate that they demand that Za teach them how to make fire
🔥.
No.
What is illogical about demanding that everyone be taught how to make fire?
REcall: Only the leader can make fire.
Gum's recent power outage should logically lead the Gum folks to wonder why ONLY the leader should have fire making knowledge! This would lead to my proposed pestering.
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2020-06-27 00:46:49 UTC
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the consequences of
allowing a critical technology to rest in the mind of just one person.
Logic would dictate that they demand that Za teach them how to make fire
🔥.
No.
What is illogical about demanding that everyone be taught how to make fire?
REcall: Only the leader can make fire.
Gum's recent power outage should logically lead the Gum folks to wonder why ONLY the leader should have fire making knowledge! This would lead to my proposed pestering.
doesn't your bum get sore from sitting on it for 48 hours
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2020-06-27 03:07:13 UTC
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the consequences of
allowing a critical technology to rest in the mind of just one person.
Logic would dictate that they demand that Za teach them how to make fire
🔥.
No.
What is illogical about demanding that everyone be taught how to make fire?
REcall: Only the leader can make fire.
Gum's recent power outage should logically lead the Gum folks to wonder
why ONLY the leader should have fire making knowledge! This would lead
to my proposed pestering.
You damn socialist.
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2020-06-28 13:39:08 UTC
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the
consequences of allowing a critical technology to rest in the
mind of just one person. Logic would dictate that they demand
that Za teach them how to make fire 🔥.
No.
What is illogical about demanding that everyone be taught how to make fire?
REcall: Only the leader can make fire.
Gum's recent power outage should logically lead the Gum folks to
wonder why ONLY the leader should have fire making knowledge! This
would lead to my proposed pestering.
Sorry!! "power outage"?? Did I miss something??

Did they use Solar Cells to produce Power?? Coal-Fired Generators??
Tidal power, maybe!
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2020-06-28 18:05:52 UTC
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the
consequences of allowing a critical technology to rest in the
mind of just one person. Logic would dictate that they demand
that Za teach them how to make fire 🔥.
No.
What is illogical about demanding that everyone be taught how to make fire?
REcall: Only the leader can make fire.
Gum's recent power outage should logically lead the Gum folks to
wonder why ONLY the leader should have fire making knowledge! This
would lead to my proposed pestering.
Sorry!! "power outage"?? Did I miss something??
Did they use Solar Cells to produce Power?? Coal-Fired Generators??
Tidal power, maybe!
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Timothy Bruening
2020-06-29 04:12:08 UTC
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Since Ian was making fire for Za as a gift 🎁 to the tribe in hopes of winning freedom, I assumed that Ian would make sure that Za could see how Ian went about creating a fire 🔥!
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2020-06-29 12:58:54 UTC
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Since Ian was making fire for Za as a gift 🎁 to the tribe in hopes of
winning freedom, I assumed that Ian would make sure that Za could see
how Ian went about creating a fire 🔥!
no.
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2020-06-29 13:21:41 UTC
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Since Ian was making fire for Za as a gift 🎁 to the tribe in hopes of winning freedom, I assumed that Ian would make sure that Za could see how Ian went about creating a fire 🔥!
Oh. Gift. A thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.

And Ian was making fire as a gift? You'll have to explain that to me. I was under the impression that he was being forced to make fire.
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2020-06-29 20:52:20 UTC
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Since Ian was making fire for Za as a gift 🎁 to the tribe in hopes
of winning freedom, I assumed that Ian would make sure that Za could see
how Ian went about creating a fire 🔥!
Oh. Gift. A thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.
And Ian was making fire as a gift? You'll have to explain that to me. I
was under the impression that he was being forced to make fire.
2 of the unholy trinity of radw thus communed.
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2020-06-29 21:23:13 UTC
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You're an idiot, Yads.
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2020-06-29 22:32:01 UTC
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You're an idiot, Yads.
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2020-07-01 05:58:50 UTC
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Since Ian was making fire for Za as a gift 🎁 to the tribe in hopes of winning freedom, I assumed that Ian would make sure that Za could see how Ian went about creating a fire 🔥!
Oh. Gift. A thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.
And Ian was making fire as a gift? You'll have to explain that to me. I was under the impression that he was being forced to make fire.
Ian was hoping that his gift of fire would be reciprocated with the gift of freedom.
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Since Ian was making fire for Za as a gift 🎁 to the tribe in hopes
of winning freedom, I assumed that Ian would make sure that Za could see
how Ian went about creating a fire 🔥!
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Oh. Gift. A thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.
And Ian was making fire as a gift? You'll have to explain that to me.
I was under the impression that he was being forced to make fire.
Ian was hoping that his gift of fire would be reciprocated with the gift of freedom.
Concurred.
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2020-06-30 00:25:47 UTC
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the
consequences of allowing a critical technology to rest in the
mind of just one person. Logic would dictate that they demand
that Za teach them how to make fire 🔥.
No.
What is illogical about demanding that everyone be taught how to make fire?
REcall: Only the leader can make fire.
Gum's recent power outage should logically lead the Gum folks to
wonder why ONLY the leader should have fire making knowledge! This
would lead to my proposed pestering.
Sorry!! "power outage"?? Did I miss something??
Did they use Solar Cells to produce Power?? Coal-Fired Generators??
Tidal power, maybe!
Burning wood.
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2020-06-30 00:27:56 UTC
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the
consequences of allowing a critical technology to rest in the
mind of just one person. Logic would dictate that they demand
that Za teach them how to make fire 🔥.
No.
What is illogical about demanding that everyone be taught how to make fire?
REcall: Only the leader can make fire.
Gum's recent power outage should logically lead the Gum folks to
wonder why ONLY the leader should have fire making knowledge! This
would lead to my proposed pestering.
Sorry!! "power outage"?? Did I miss something??
Did they use Solar Cells to produce Power?? Coal-Fired Generators??
Tidal power, maybe!
Burning wood.
How many milles to the galleon?
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2020-06-27 04:15:44 UTC
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the
consequences of allowing a critical technology to rest in
the mind of just one person. Logic would dictate that they
demand that Za teach them how to make fire 🔥.
You're assuming that the tribe will act logically but
I didn't see any handles on the side of their heads.
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2020-06-27 06:00:10 UTC
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the
consequences of allowing a critical technology to rest in
the mind of just one person. Logic would dictate that they
demand that Za teach them how to make fire 🔥.
You're assuming that the tribe will act logically but
I didn't see any handles on the side of their heads.
The Cybermen of Gum!
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the
consequences of allowing a critical technology to rest in
the mind of just one person. Logic would dictate that they
demand that Za teach them how to make fire 🔥.
You're assuming that the tribe will act logically but
I didn't see any handles on the side of their heads.
The Cybermen of Gum!
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the
consequences of allowing a critical technology to rest in
the mind of just one person. Logic would dictate that they
demand that Za teach them how to make fire 🔥.
You're assuming that the tribe will act logically but
I didn't see any handles on the side of their heads.
I am assuming that the tribe would realize from its recent power outage that it is not in the tribe's best interests to allow ONE person to have a monopoly on fire, and thus constantly be in danger of losing access to fire! I am assuming that members of the tribe would act in the tribe's best interests, by demanding that the secret of fire be spread around a bit.

Alternately, tribal members would realize that it isn't in their best interests to allow the secret of fire to be so vulnerable, so would demand that it be protected by spreading it around.
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the
consequences of allowing a critical technology to rest in
the mind of just one person. Logic would dictate that they
demand that Za teach them how to make fire 🔥.
You're assuming that the tribe will act logically but
I didn't see any handles on the side of their heads.
I am assuming that the tribe would realize from its recent power outage that it is
not in the tribe's best interests to allow ONE person to have a monopoly on fire,
and thus constantly be in danger of losing access to fire! I am assuming that
members of the tribe would act in the tribe's best interests, by demanding that the
secret of fire be spread around a bit.
Alternately, tribal members would realize that it isn't in their best interests to
allow the secret of fire to be so vulnerable, so would demand that it be protected
by spreading it around.
No.
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I didn't see any handles on the side of their heads.
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Ace there SP! Ace!!
I don't remember seeing Ace in that episode.
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I don't remember seeing Ace in that episode.
You would TBr!!
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There's your problem, Tim, you are trying to apply "Logic" to a
primitive, pre-history, mind!!

They probably thought Fire was magic, and, as 'they' hadn't previously
been magical, why should 'they' be magical now, Tim??
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to make fire 🔥.
There's your problem, Tim, you are trying to apply "Logic" to a
primitive, pre-history, mind!!
They probably thought Fire was magic, and, as 'they' hadn't previously
been magical, why should 'they' be magical now, Tim??
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the consequences of
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to make fire 🔥.
There's your problem, Tim, you are trying to apply "Logic" to a
primitive, pre-history, mind!!
They probably thought Fire was magic, and, as 'they' hadn't previously
been magical, why should 'they' be magical now, Tim??
Za clearly didn't inherit the magic talent of fire making from his father, since he didn't yet know the secret at the time of his father's death. Za wasn't magical. Would the tribe believe that Za could magically become magical, simply by learning how to make fire?
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The Tribe of Gum has just had its nose rubbed in the consequences of
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person. Logic would dictate that they demand that Za teach them how
to make fire 🔥.
There's your problem, Tim, you are trying to apply "Logic" to a
primitive, pre-history, mind!!
They probably thought Fire was magic, and, as 'they' hadn't previously
been magical, why should 'they' be magical now, Tim??
Za clearly didn't inherit the magic talent of fire making from his
father, since he didn't yet know the secret at the time of his father's
death. Za wasn't magical. Would the tribe believe that Za could
magically become magical, simply by learning how to make fire?
Premise of logic?
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Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
Who did?
Nobody. He saw Ian create a fire. But Ian didn't teach him.
Besides, even if he had, he wouldn't have taught anyone else. He
wouldn't be leader if anyone else knew.
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An Unearthly Child: The Tribe of Gum is screwed, because Za's Dad
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Za how to make fire, I predict that Za's tribemates will pester his to
show them how to make fire, as a basic safety precaution to avoid a
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Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
Who did?
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Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
From the tardis wikia article:

"In the Cave of Skulls, Ian makes fire for Za, using friction for a spark, hoping this gift will convince the tribe to set them free. Za comes to speak with them and is entranced by the fire. Ian says that in his "tribe" all members know how to make fire. Za asks Ian if he is the leader of his tribe. He responds (with a nod to Susan) that the Doctor is the leader."

A few minutes later: "With fire at his disposal, Za is now undisputed. However, he still leaves the Doctor and his companions to languish in the cave.".

It sure looks to me like Ian taught Za how to make fire, by showing him how its done!
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basic safety precaution to avoid a repeat of their recent fireless ordeal.
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Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
"In the Cave of Skulls, Ian makes fire for Za, using friction for a spark, hoping
this gift will convince the tribe to set them free. Za comes to speak with them and
is entranced by the fire. Ian says that in his "tribe" all members know how to make
fire. Za asks Ian if he is the leader of his tribe. He responds (with a nod to
Susan) that the Doctor is the leader."
A few minutes later: "With fire at his disposal, Za is now undisputed. However, he
still leaves the Doctor and his companions to languish in the cave.".
It sure looks to me like Ian taught Za how to make fire, by showing him how its done!
Not really.
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Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
"In the Cave of Skulls, Ian makes fire for Za, using friction for a spark, hoping
this gift will convince the tribe to set them free. Za comes to speak with them and
is entranced by the fire. Ian says that in his "tribe" all members know how to make
fire. Za asks Ian if he is the leader of his tribe. He responds (with a nod to
Susan) that the Doctor is the leader."
A few minutes later: "With fire at his disposal, Za is now undisputed. However, he
still leaves the Doctor and his companions to languish in the cave.".
It sure looks to me like Ian taught Za how to make fire, by showing him how its done!
Not really.
How did Za learn how to start a fire, if not by watching Ian do so?
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How did Za learn how to start a fire, if not by watching Ian do so?
He didn't start any fires.
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I said that Za learned how to start a fire 🔥, not that he had actually done so.
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I said that Za learned how to start a fire 🔥, not that he had actually done so.
How do you know he learned then?
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I said that Za learned how to start a fire 🔥, not that he had
actually done so.
How do you know he learned then?
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I said that Za learned how to start a fire 🔥, not that he had
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No.
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How did Za learn how to start a fire, if not by watching Ian do so?
He didn't start any fires.
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teach him how to make fire before dying. After Ian teaches Za how to
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Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
"In the Cave of Skulls, Ian makes fire for Za, using friction for a
spark, hoping
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with them and
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know how to make
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a nod to
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still leaves the Doctor and his companions to languish in the cave.".
It sure looks to me like Ian taught Za how to make fire, by showing
him how its done!
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Not really.
How did Za learn how to start a fire, if not by watching Ian do so?
I do not recall him watching Ian.
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Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
Excerpt from the transcript:

[Cave of Skulls]

(Ian is putting together the ingredients of a camp fire. Susan finds a stone)
SUSAN: I think this is what you want, Mister Chesterton.
IAN: Thank you.
BARBARA: Here are some leaves, and some dead grass.
IAN: Yes, well spread them around the hole. Don't put them inside. I hope this is going to work. Now, spread them around a bit more. Yes, that's it.
(He's got twine around one twig, to twist another twig between two flat stones for friction)

[Outside the second exit]

ZA: (to guard) I will speak with them. You wait here.
(Kal is watching, hidden)

[Cave of Skulls]

SUSAN: I can smell something.
BARBARA: Yes, so can I.
SUSAN: It's burning! It's burning!
IAN: It's a long way off yet.
ZA: What is this?
DOCTOR: We are making fire.
ZA: You are called Friend?
IAN: Yes.
DOCTOR: Don't stop.
ZA: Hur said you were called Friend. I am called Za. You are the leader of your tribe?
IAN: No. He is our leader.
SUSAN: Are you going to set us free?
ZA: The tribe say you are from Orb and when you are returned to him on the stone of death, we will have fire again.
BARBARA: But that's not true.
ZA: I think you are from the other side of the mountains. If you show me how to make fire, I will take you back to the foot of the mountains. If you do not show me, I cannot stop you dying on the old stone.
IAN: Put some more leaves and grass round it. I think it's beginning to work.
DOCTOR: Do you understand? We are making fire for you.
ZA: I am watching.

(As you can see, Za was watching as Ian made fire, so Ian did teach Za how to make fire via demonstration).

IAN: The whole tribe should be watching. Everyone should know how to make fire.
ZA: Everyone cannot be leader.
IAN: No, that's perfectly true. But in our tribe, the firemaker is the least important man.
ZA: Ha! I do not believe this.
DOCTOR: He is the least important because we can all make fire.

(The Doctor may have erred in saying this, as it reminded Za that he would lose power if EVERYONE knew how to make fire!).
SUSAN: I hope he doesn't make Grandfather prove that.
IAN: Look, I think it's beginning to work. Susan, Barbara, blow gently. That's it!
SUSAN: We've done it.
IAN: Yes.
ZA: Fire. Fire.
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If you watched someone playing the piano, would that make you a pianist?

If you watched someone flying a plane, would that make you a pilot?
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(As you can see, Za was watching as Ian made fire, so Ian did teach Za how to make fire via demonstration).
If you watched someone playing the piano, would that make you a pianist?
If you watched someone flying a plane, would that make you a pilot?
The process of making fire seemed simpler than flying or piano playing.
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The process of making fire seemed simpler than flying or piano playing.
It does, doesn't it.

I bet you couldn't make fire without matches or a cigarette lighter.
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The process of making fire seemed simpler than flying or piano playing.
It does, doesn't it.
I bet you couldn't make fire without matches or a cigarette lighter.
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I just turn on the stove!
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I just turn on the stove!
And Za was able to this?
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I just turn on the stove!
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I just turn on the stove!
And Za was able to this?
I'm sure that he can if someone shows him.
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I just turn on the stove!
And Za was able to this?
I'm sure that he can if someone shows him.
You might find this difficult to understand, but there were no stoves in his time.
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I just turn on the stove!
And Za was able to this?
I'm sure that he can if someone shows him.
You might find this difficult to understand, but there were no stoves in his time.
Bring him to our time via TARDIS, and teach him how to turn on a stove.
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I just turn on the stove!
And Za was able to this?
I'm sure that he can if someone shows him.
You might find this difficult to understand, but there were no stoves
in his time.
Bring him to our time via TARDIS, and teach him how to turn on a stove.
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I just turn on the stove!
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I'm sure that he can if someone shows him.
You might find this difficult to understand, but there were no stoves in his time.
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I'm sure that he can if someone shows him.
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And you are cooking?
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2020-07-01 18:13:38 UTC
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I just turn on the stove!
And you are cooking?
Scrambled eggs.
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2020-07-01 23:16:11 UTC
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I just turn on the stove!
And you are cooking?
Scrambled eggs.
So Tim Bruening's brain is composed of eggs.
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2020-07-02 06:54:21 UTC
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So Tim Bruening's brain is composed of eggs.
So Yads is an idiot.
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2020-07-02 14:24:37 UTC
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So Tim Bruening's brain is composed of eggs.
So Yads is an idiot.
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(As you can see, Za was watching as Ian made fire, so Ian did teach
Za how to make fire via demonstration).
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If you watched someone playing the piano, would that make you a pianist?
If you watched someone flying a plane, would that make you a pilot?
The process of making fire seemed simpler than flying or piano playing.
2 of the unholy trinity of radw thus communed.
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2020-07-01 14:23:24 UTC
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(As you can see, Za was watching as Ian made fire, so Ian did teach Za
how to make fire via demonstration).
If you watched someone playing the piano, would that make you a pianist?
If you watched someone flying a plane, would that make you a pilot?
2 of the unholy trinity of radw thus communed.
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An Unearthly Child: The Tribe of Gum is screwed, because Za's Dad
neglected to teach him how to make fire before dying. After Ian teaches
Za how to make fire, I predict that Za's tribemates will pester his to
show them how to make fire, as a basic safety precaution to avoid a
repeat of their recent fireless ordeal.
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Ian didn't teach Za how to make fire.
[Cave of Skulls]
(Ian is putting together the ingredients of a camp fire. Susan finds a stone)
SUSAN: I think this is what you want, Mister Chesterton.
IAN: Thank you.
BARBARA: Here are some leaves, and some dead grass.
IAN: Yes, well spread them around the hole. Don't put them inside. I
hope this is going to work. Now, spread them around a bit more. Yes,
that's it.
(He's got twine around one twig, to twist another twig between two flat stones for friction)
[Outside the second exit]
ZA: (to guard) I will speak with them. You wait here.
(Kal is watching, hidden)
[Cave of Skulls]
SUSAN: I can smell something.
BARBARA: Yes, so can I.
SUSAN: It's burning! It's burning!
IAN: It's a long way off yet.
ZA: What is this?
DOCTOR: We are making fire.
ZA: You are called Friend?
IAN: Yes.
DOCTOR: Don't stop.
ZA: Hur said you were called Friend. I am called Za. You are the leader of your tribe?
IAN: No. He is our leader.
SUSAN: Are you going to set us free?
ZA: The tribe say you are from Orb and when you are returned to him on
the stone of death, we will have fire again.
BARBARA: But that's not true.
ZA: I think you are from the other side of the mountains. If you show me
how to make fire, I will take you back to the foot of the mountains. If
you do not show me, I cannot stop you dying on the old stone.
IAN: Put some more leaves and grass round it. I think it's beginning to work.
DOCTOR: Do you understand? We are making fire for you.
ZA: I am watching.
(As you can see, Za was watching as Ian made fire, so Ian did teach Za
how to make fire via demonstration).
IAN: The whole tribe should be watching. Everyone should know how to make fire.
ZA: Everyone cannot be leader.
IAN: No, that's perfectly true. But in our tribe, the firemaker is the least important man.
ZA: Ha! I do not believe this.
DOCTOR: He is the least important because we can all make fire.
(The Doctor may have erred in saying this, as it reminded Za that he
would lose power if EVERYONE knew how to make fire!).
SUSAN: I hope he doesn't make Grandfather prove that.
IAN: Look, I think it's beginning to work. Susan, Barbara, blow gently. That's it!
SUSAN: We've done it.
IAN: Yes.
ZA: Fire. Fire.
Good for you and yes,


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2020-06-26 14:19:31 UTC
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An Unearthly Child: The Tribe of Gum is screwed, because Za's Dad
neglected to teach him how to make fire before dying. After Ian teaches
Za how to make fire, I predict that Za's tribemates will pester his to
show them how to make fire, as a basic safety precaution to avoid a
repeat of their recent fireless ordeal.
Are you Stephen Wilson in disguise?
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2020-06-26 14:24:06 UTC
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You're an idiot, Yads.
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You're an idiot, Yads.
Lies Conceited and Dishonest Stephen Cut and Lie Wilson who spews lie after
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