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Damn... It's a two parter.

It was looking like by next week the ratings would have gone though the floor to below 3 million, but England are now out of their own World Cup (who was the imbecile that decided to seed them against both Wales and Australia?) so maybe Doctor Who will get lucky and get back the extra million or two it would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a row.

Does Moffat have a death wish? Are all this season going to be two parters? Is it to make up for all of Series 7 being single episode stories?

So let's have a look at the story itself. Up until just before it ended I was quite happy with it, but the moment I realised what how it was going to end all of that went out of the window since after 45 minutes the viewer is left none the wiser as to what it's all supposed to be about.

What a waste. If instead of all that preposterous prancing around by Capaldi and his attempts to crack jokes in the ridiculous Scottish accent we actually had some genuine characterisation and plot moment this story could have been resolved with just one episode. Instead all there was was padding and I don't think I can endure any more of the bunch of idiots who make up the supporting cast.

As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set on an underwater military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by morons.

Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ someone who is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction your are looking at or where you are is vital to their very survival? Not only that but another person has to be employed so as to translate sing language for them. Like this is supposed to be set in the 22nd century and they still haven't cured most forms deafness despite cochlear implants being common today and genetic therapy on its way?

If she had been a top scientist that was essential for the mission (and the plot) then it and her interpretor might have been excused but she was a moron just like the rest of them.

Also if there was a corporal on the base, where are the other soldiers? You don't mean to tell me that apart from upper class accent guy, they're all soldiers? Don't make me laugh.

And what exactly is supposed to be wrong with Peter Andre's, Mysterious Girl? That it's too catchy? And this writing inside the space ship or whatever it turns out to be is meant to be like it too, like you can't get it our of your head, but you can't read it or hear it, it's written in gibberish (which will probably turn out to be a form of sign language), so how does it get into your head in the first place? And then when you die after seeing it you become some kind of transmitter of something you can't even read and don't even understand? This is supposed to be science-fiction not outright fantasy. Obviously the guy who wasn't killed stayed alive because sign language girl stopped him from entering the craft.

Capaldi's acting was terrible. He was in and out of Scot's every other minute. No wonder Tennant advised him against keeping his native accent. He knew this was going to happen and Capladi couldn't handle it.

On top of the idiotic psychic paper which was totally pointless as this was a UNIT operation, the sonic sunglasses have no developed the ability to create holograms in order to service the plot. Ridiculous.

9/10 for entertainment. Let down by the stupid interpretor gimmick, Capaldi going in and out of his stupid Scottish accent willy nilly and the fact that it turns out that it's a two parter. Had it been just a single part story I would have given it 10.

78/100 for writing. I would have given it 86 had it been resolved in just a single episode but the fact that after 45 minutes we've learned absolutely nothing and it's pure fantasy which we have to endure 45 minutes more off has caused me to lower my score. Had the story been more substantial and we'd actually learned something I would have given it higher marks.
The Doctor
2015-10-03 23:37:23 UTC
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Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
It was looking like by next week the ratings would have gone though the flo=
or to below 3 million, but England are now out of their own World Cup (who =
was the imbecile that decided to seed them against both Wales and Australia=
?) so maybe Doctor Who will get lucky and get back the extra million or two=
it would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter i=
n a row.
Does Moffat have a death wish? Are all this season going to be two parters?=
Is it to make up for all of Series 7 being single episode stories?
So let's have a look at the story itself. Up until just before it ended I w=
as quite happy with it, but the moment I realised what how it was going to =
end all of that went out of the window since after 45 minutes the viewer is=
left none the wiser as to what it's all supposed to be about.
What a waste. If instead of all that preposterous prancing around by Capald=
i and his attempts to crack jokes in the ridiculous Scottish accent we actu=
ally had some genuine characterisation and plot moment this story could hav=
e been resolved with just one episode. Instead all there was was padding an=
d I don't think I can endure any more of the bunch of idiots who make up th=
e supporting cast.
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set on an underwat=
er military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by morons.
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ someone w=
ho is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement bl=
aring from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which dir=
ection your are looking at or where you are is vital to their very survival=
? Not only that but another person has to be employed so as to translate si=
ng language for them. Like this is supposed to be set in the 22nd century a=
nd they still haven't cured most forms deafness despite cochlear implants b=
eing common today and genetic therapy on its way?
If she had been a top scientist that was essential for the mission (and the=
plot) then it and her interpretor might have been excused but she was a mo=
ron just like the rest of them.
Also if there was a corporal on the base, where are the other soldiers? You=
don't mean to tell me that apart from upper class accent guy, they're all =
soldiers? Don't make me laugh.
And what exactly is supposed to be wrong with Peter Andre's, Mysterious Gir=
l? That it's too catchy? And this writing inside the space ship or whatever=
it turns out to be is meant to be like it too, like you can't get it our o=
f your head, but you can't read it or hear it, it's written in gibberish (w=
hich will probably turn out to be a form of sign language), so how does it =
get into your head in the first place? And then when you die after seeing i=
t you become some kind of transmitter of something you can't even read and =
don't even understand? This is supposed to be science-fiction not outright =
fantasy. Obviously the guy who wasn't killed stayed alive because sign lang=
uage girl stopped him from entering the craft.
Capaldi's acting was terrible. He was in and out of Scot's every other minu=
te. No wonder Tennant advised him against keeping his native accent. He kne=
w this was going to happen and Capladi couldn't handle it.
Well it matters if it can be nadled properly.
Post by Agamemnon
On top of the idiotic psychic paper which was totally pointless as this was=
a UNIT operation, the sonic sunglasses have no developed the ability to cr=
eate holograms in order to service the plot. Ridiculous.
9/10 for entertainment. Let down by the stupid interpretor gimmick, Capaldi=
going in and out of his stupid Scottish accent willy nilly and the fact th=
at it turns out that it's a two parter. Had it been just a single part stor=
y I would have given it 10.
78/100 for writing. I would have given it 86 had it been resolved in just a=
single episode but the fact that after 45 minutes we've learned absolutely=
nothing and it's pure fantasy which we have to endure 45 minutes more off =
has caused me to lower my score. Had the story been more substantial and we=
'd actually learned something I would have given it higher marks.
Looking forward to it.
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Your Name
2015-10-04 00:28:10 UTC
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New title sequence... when is it coming?
Damn... It's a two parter.
<snip>

I think most of the stories this season are two (or more) parters,
they've also got the now-usual Moffat style of linking back to
something from episodes long ago.
The Doctor
2015-10-04 00:29:28 UTC
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New title sequence... when is it coming?
Damn... It's a two parter.
<snip>
I think most of the stories this season are two (or more) parters,
they've also got the now-usual Moffat style of linking back to
something from episodes long ago.
Good thing that.
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2015-10-04 01:51:02 UTC
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Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
It was looking like by next week the ratings would have gone though the floor to below 3 million, but England are now out of their own World Cup (who was the imbecile that decided to seed them against both Wales and Australia?) so maybe Doctor Who will get lucky and get back the extra million or two it would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a row.
Does Moffat have a death wish? Are all this season going to be two parters? Is it to make up for all of Series 7 being single episode stories?
On the plus side it was much better than the first story, which gave no incentive at all for anyone to want to watch part 2. It had actual characters actually interacting in ways other than ponderous exposition, there was a plot in which things actually happened, there was an interesting monster rather than Daleks, and we older fans weren't annoyed by the first story's apparent contest between the antagonists to see who could act most out of character.
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So let's have a look at the story itself. Up until just before it ended I was quite happy with it, but the moment I realised what how it was going to end all of that went out of the window since after 45 minutes the viewer is left none the wiser as to what it's all supposed to be about.
That's intended to be the hook of a two-parter...
Post by Agamemnon
What a waste. If instead of all that preposterous prancing around by Capaldi and his attempts to crack jokes in the ridiculous Scottish accent we actually had some genuine characterisation and plot moment this story could have been resolved with just one episode.
You didn't have that complaint about last week's?. "Well, the story is: Doctor meets Davros. Davros tricks the Doctor into regenerating. Hmm, bit thin - why not throw in that intensely annoying new Master for the sake of it? Still too thin - okay, let's chuck in a bunch of Daleks and have them sit around doing nothing. And a preposterous idea about a living sewer. Okay, that should almost be enough content for an episode ... what do you mean, it's a two parter? Okay, second week: do the same as the first week all over again".
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Instead all there was was padding and I don't think I can endure any more of >the bunch of idiots who make up the supporting cast.
The supporting cast was adequate - they didn't have a lot of actual supporting to do beyond the usual "Help, Doctor, what do we do?" lines, but then that's pretty much what Doctor Who supporting casts are for. I found myself annoyed by the implausibility of appointing a deaf character second in command when no one except her translator knew sign language - what would the crew do if the translator was injured or killed? How would a deaf character hold a command position as a field leader in a unit in a remote location where communication with the outside world was handled by land line telephone?
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ someone who is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction your are looking at or where you are is vital to their very survival? Not only that but another person has to be employed so as to translate sing language for them.
Quite.

Like this is supposed to be set in the 22nd century

21st - wasn't the date given as 2019?
Timothy Bruening
2015-10-04 02:08:27 UTC
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Damn... It's a two parter.
It was looking like by next week the ratings would have gone though the floor to below 3 million, but England are now out of their own World Cup (who was the imbecile that decided to seed them against both Wales and Australia?) so maybe Doctor Who will get lucky and get back the extra million or two it would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a row.
Does Moffat have a death wish? Are all this season going to be two parters? Is it to make up for all of Series 7 being single episode stories?
On the plus side it was much better than the first story, which gave no incentive at all for anyone to want to watch part 2. It had actual characters actually interacting in ways other than ponderous exposition, there was a plot in which things actually happened, there was an interesting monster rather than Daleks, and we older fans weren't annoyed by the first story's apparent contest between the antagonists to see who could act most out of character.
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So let's have a look at the story itself. Up until just before it ended I was quite happy with it, but the moment I realised what how it was going to end all of that went out of the window since after 45 minutes the viewer is left none the wiser as to what it's all supposed to be about.
That's intended to be the hook of a two-parter...
Post by Agamemnon
What a waste. If instead of all that preposterous prancing around by Capaldi and his attempts to crack jokes in the ridiculous Scottish accent we actually had some genuine characterisation and plot moment this story could have been resolved with just one episode.
You didn't have that complaint about last week's?. "Well, the story is: Doctor meets Davros. Davros tricks the Doctor into regenerating. Hmm, bit thin - why not throw in that intensely annoying new Master for the sake of it? Still too thin - okay, let's chuck in a bunch of Daleks and have them sit around doing nothing. And a preposterous idea about a living sewer. Okay, that should almost be enough content for an episode ... what do you mean, it's a two parter? Okay, second week: do the same as the first week all over again".
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Instead all there was was padding and I don't think I can endure any more of >the bunch of idiots who make up the supporting cast.
The supporting cast was adequate - they didn't have a lot of actual supporting to do beyond the usual "Help, Doctor, what do we do?" lines, but then that's pretty much what Doctor Who supporting casts are for. I found myself annoyed by the implausibility of appointing a deaf character second in command when no one except her translator knew sign language - what would the crew do if the translator was injured or killed? How would a deaf character hold a command position as a field leader in a unit in a remote location where communication with the outside world was handled by land line telephone?
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ someone who is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction your are looking at or where you are is vital to their very survival? Not only that but another person has to be employed so as to translate sing language for them.
Quite.
Like this is supposed to be set in the 22nd century
21st - wasn't the date given as 2019?
The date is 2119.
Agamemnon
2015-10-04 04:00:28 UTC
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Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
It was looking like by next week the ratings would have gone though the floor to below 3 million, but England are now out of their own World Cup (who was the imbecile that decided to seed them against both Wales and Australia?) so maybe Doctor Who will get lucky and get back the extra million or two it would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a row.
Does Moffat have a death wish? Are all this season going to be two parters? Is it to make up for all of Series 7 being single episode stories?
On the plus side it was much better than the first story, which gave no incentive at all for anyone to want to watch part 2. It had actual characters actually interacting in ways other than ponderous exposition, there was a plot in which things actually happened, there was an interesting monster rather than Daleks, and we older fans weren't annoyed by the first story's apparent contest between the antagonists to see who could act most out of character.
Yes it had all that but it could have all been done as a single parter.
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So let's have a look at the story itself. Up until just before it ended I was quite happy with it, but the moment I realised what how it was going to end all of that went out of the window since after 45 minutes the viewer is left none the wiser as to what it's all supposed to be about.
That's intended to be the hook of a two-parter...
It ended just like the Davros story did in episode 1 with everyone knowing what was going to happen at the end of the second episode. If you know what happens where's the suspense going to be?

I am getting really annoyed at Moffat and his writers', was it Toby Whitehouse, obsession with writing stories with events out of sequence, future events in the present and past events told in the future to explain how you got to the present which is now the past. It's not like it's something new. Moffat didn't invent it. Homer did it first with the Odyssey.
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What a waste. If instead of all that preposterous prancing around by Capaldi and his attempts to crack jokes in the ridiculous Scottish accent we actually had some genuine characterisation and plot moment this story could have been resolved with just one episode.
Yes I did. I said that too should have been made as a single parter, and Capaldi also ruined it by going in and out of that ridiculous Scottish comedy accent at inappropriate times. One moment he was channelling Tom Baker and the next Sylvester McCoy on steroids.
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Doctor meets Davros. Davros tricks the Doctor into regenerating. Hmm, bit thin - why not throw in that intensely annoying new Master for the sake of it? Still too thin - okay, let's chuck in a bunch of Daleks and have them sit around doing nothing. And a preposterous idea about a living sewer. Okay, that should almost be enough content for an episode ... what do you mean, it's a two parter? Okay, second week: do the same as the first week all over again".
As I said it should have been made into just one 45 minute episode and all the prancing and clowning around cut out.
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Instead all there was was padding and I don't think I can endure any more of >the bunch of idiots who make up the supporting cast.
The supporting cast was adequate - they didn't have a lot of actual
I wasn't complaining about the actors. I was referring the the characters. They're written as morons from something like The Office. No employer that actually paid their wages would employ people like that and the military certainly wouldn't.
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supporting to do beyond the usual "Help, Doctor, what do we do?" lines, but then that's pretty much what Doctor Who supporting casts are for. I found myself annoyed by the implausibility of appointing a deaf character second in command when no one except her translator knew sign language - what would the crew do if the translator was injured or killed? How would a deaf character hold a command position as a field leader in a unit in a remote location where communication with the outside world was handled by land line telephone?
Yes. The character was completely ridiculous. Employ someone that can't actually communicate as head of communications. You'd think they at least have given her a speech synthesizer like Stephen Hawking's. But is seems that this year's theme so far is people with disabilities.
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Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ someone who is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction your are looking at or where you are is vital to their very survival? Not only that but another person has to be employed so as to translate sing language for them.
Quite.
Like this is supposed to be set in the 22nd century
21st - wasn't the date given as 2019?
Thought it said 2119 and the Doctor said 22nd century I think.
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2015-10-05 01:49:42 UTC
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The supporting cast was adequate - they didn't have a lot of actual supporting
to do beyond the usual "Help, Doctor, what do we do?" lines, but then
that's pretty much what Doctor Who supporting casts are for. I found
myself annoyed by the implausibility of appointing a deaf character
second in command when no one except her translator knew sign language
- what would the crew do if the translator was injured or killed? How
would a deaf character hold a command position as a field leader in a
unit in a remote location where communication with the outside world
was handled by land line telephone?
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Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ
someone who is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement blaring from the loud speakers across the whole workplace
no matter which direction your are looking at or where you are is
vital to their very survival? Not only that but another person has to
be employed so as to translate sing language for them.
Quite.
Like this is supposed to be set in the 22nd century
21st - wasn't the date given as 2019?
That was the one bit I thought they got wrong.

I can see if the deaf woman was a civilian scientist or specialist for
the oil company, a supporting military detachment would have to defer
to her the way they had to defer to the "designated asshole"
character, but there's just no way I can see her in the military chain
of command.

But then you'd need a couple of extra "soldiers" to fill out the
military detachment and that may have something to do with rumors I've
read that the BBC is cutting budgets across the board.
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2015-10-07 19:50:58 UTC
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The supporting cast was adequate - they didn't have a lot of actual supporting to do beyond the usual "Help, Doctor, what do we do?" lines, but then that's pretty much what Doctor Who supporting casts are for. I found myself annoyed by the implausibility of appointing a deaf character second in command when no one except her translator knew sign language - what would the crew do if the translator was injured or killed? How would a deaf character hold a command position as a field leader in a unit in a remote location where communication with the outside world was handled by land line telephone?
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ someone who is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction your are looking at or where you are is vital to their very survival? Not only that but another person has to be employed so as to translate sing language for them.
Tsk. Do I spot a little lack of understanding and privilege creeping in?

Consent and equality law apply unless you feel you have the right to
swagger in and hammer a cochlea implant into the side of her head with a
hammer?

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The supporting cast was adequate - they didn't have a lot of actual supporting to do beyond the usual "Help, Doctor, what do we do?" lines, but then that's pretty much what Doctor Who supporting casts are for. I found myself annoyed by the implausibility of appointing a deaf character second in command when no one except her translator knew sign language - what would the crew do if the translator was injured or killed? How would a deaf character hold a command position as a field leader in a unit in a remote location where communication with the outside world was handled by land line telephone?
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Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ someone who is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction your are looking at or where you are is vital to their very survival? Not only that but another person has to be employed so as to translate sing language for them.
Tsk. Do I spot a little lack of understanding and privilege creeping in?
Consent and equality law apply unless you feel you have the right to
swagger in and hammer a cochlea implant into the side of her head with a
hammer?
God knows how some of you will behave when Bethany Black rolls up.
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2015-10-04 02:07:25 UTC
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Damn... It's a two parter.
It was looking like by next week the ratings would have gone though the floor to below 3 million, but England are now out of their own World Cup (who was the imbecile that decided to seed them against both Wales and Australia?) so maybe Doctor Who will get lucky and get back the extra million or two it would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a row.
Does Moffat have a death wish? Are all this season going to be two parters? Is it to make up for all of Series 7 being single episode stories?
So let's have a look at the story itself. Up until just before it ended I was quite happy with it, but the moment I realised what how it was going to end all of that went out of the window since after 45 minutes the viewer is left none the wiser as to what it's all supposed to be about.
What a waste. If instead of all that preposterous prancing around by Capaldi and his attempts to crack jokes in the ridiculous Scottish accent we actually had some genuine characterisation and plot moment this story could have been resolved with just one episode. Instead all there was was padding and I don't think I can endure any more of the bunch of idiots who make up the supporting cast.
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set on an underwater military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by morons.
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ someone who is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction your are looking at or where you are is vital to their very survival? Not only that but another person has to be employed so as to translate sing language for them. Like this is supposed to be set in the 22nd century and they still haven't cured most forms deafness despite cochlear implants being common today and genetic therapy on its way?
The Doctor claims that she's the smartest person around other then himself.

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In part 2, it appears that the Doctor himself will die in order to resolve the ghost crisis. Does that mean that the Doctor's Will will get zapped to Missy again?
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2015-10-04 11:39:00 UTC
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Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
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As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set on an underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by morons.
^^^^ cum

Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future soldiers in combat will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
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Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ someone who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team was originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military would have a deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an overriding reason
revealed later.
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catchy? And this writing inside the space ship or whatever it turns out to be
is meant to be like it too, like you can't get it our of your head, but you
can't read it or hear it, it's written in gibberish (which will probably turn
out to be a form of sign language), so how does it get into your head in the
first place? And then when you die after seeing it you become some kind of
transmitter of something you can't even read and don't even understand? This
is supposed to be science-fiction not outright fantasy. Obviously the guy who
wasn't killed stayed alive because sign language girl stopped him from
entering the craft.
Maybe it directly imprints on the brain; in that case we are screwed now. It was
a bit like looking at weeping angel would create one from your brain.

And it explains why ghosts initially abided the Doctor and Clara, led them to
the writing, and then put them on the menu.


I'd like the bit about the notecards. There was never any reason for a
Gallefreyian to fully understand the emotions of humans.
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
When is a Kenyan not a Kenyan? When he's a Canadian.
That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!
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2015-10-04 15:30:50 UTC
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would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set on an underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by morons.
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future soldiers in combat will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ someone who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team was originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military would have a deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the Powers That Be should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency announcements!
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2015-10-04 16:19:41 UTC
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New title sequence... when is it coming?
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Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set on an underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by morons.
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future soldiers in combat will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ someone who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team was originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military would have a deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency announcements!
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all human occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the end of
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work instead of
their immediate survival.

Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up that way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
When is a Kenyan not a Kenyan? When he's a Canadian.
That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!
Bill Jillians
2015-10-05 10:16:13 UTC
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1
2
3
4
5
6
7
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9
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Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set on an underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by morons.
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future soldiers
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team was originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military would have a deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency announcements!
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all human occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the end of
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up that way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly away
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the Sun a
"sword" in the belt.
--
Bill Jillians
Mike M
2015-10-05 10:20:21 UTC
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New title sequence... when is it coming?
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5
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1
2
3
4
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7
8
9
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Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set on an underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by morons.
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future soldiers
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team was originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military would have a deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency announcements!
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all human occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the end of
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up that way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly away
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the Sun a
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point at the
Earth at all.
--
For the night is drak, and full of errors.
Bill Jillians
2015-10-05 11:57:24 UTC
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5
6
7
8
9
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set on an underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by morons.
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future soldiers
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team was originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military would have a deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency announcements!
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all human occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the end of
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up that way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly away
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the Sun a
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point at the
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
--
Bill Jillians
Agamemnon
2015-10-05 18:03:09 UTC
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New title sequence... when is it coming?
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2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set on an underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by morons.
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future soldiers
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team was originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military would have a deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency announcements!
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all human occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the end of
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up that way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly away
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the Sun a
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point at the
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a straight line?
Post by Bill Jillians
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2015-10-06 07:46:06 UTC
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New title sequence... when is it coming?
Spoilers
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2
3
4
5
6
7
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9
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set on an
underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by morons.
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future soldiers
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team was
originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an
overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency announcements!
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all human occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the end of
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up that way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly away
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the Sun a
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point at the
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They only
appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer when
the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a straight
line?
Post by Bill Jillians
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.

It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight
line.
--
Bill Jillians
Agamemnon
2015-10-06 11:34:30 UTC
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New title sequence... when is it coming?
Spoilers
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2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by TB
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future soldiers
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which
direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by TB
originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up that way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly away
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
Post by Mike M
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
Post by Mike M
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
Post by Agamemnon
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put the
right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the perpendicular
side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line going though
the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will get a straight
line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in the plane of the
ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the sun and every star
on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I tilt it I can get a
straight line going through the sun and any star I choose as I rotate
around the sun, assuming that the distance from the earth to the sun is
negligible in astronomical terms.

What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line through
the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to point at
right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I choose. If
I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be perpendicular
to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere surrounding the sun.
One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I draw on the sphere will
ever point at the sun unless I take a normal to it and I can take any
normal to any other line and it will also point at the sun. What is so
special about the Belt of Orion?
Bill Jillians
2015-10-06 13:03:50 UTC
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New title sequence... when is it coming?
Spoilers
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2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by TB
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future soldiers
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which
direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by TB
originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
Post by Mike M
Post by Siri Cruz
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up that way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly away
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
Post by Mike M
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
Post by Mike M
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
Post by Agamemnon
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put
the right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the
perpendicular side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line
going though the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will
get a straight line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in
the plane of the ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the
sun and every star on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I
tilt it I can get a straight line going through the sun and any star I
choose as I rotate around the sun, assuming that the distance from the
earth to the sun is negligible in astronomical terms.
What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line
through the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to
point at right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I
choose. If I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be
perpendicular to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere
surrounding the sun. One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I
draw on the sphere will ever point at the sun unless I take a normal to
it and I can take any normal to any other line and it will also point
at the sun. What is so special about the Belt of Orion?
Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.


It's a projection assuming you know where on the alien's homeworld
starmaps the Sun lies.
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Siri Cruz
2015-10-06 13:16:11 UTC
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Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
Really? I have no idea what you're saying.

The Doctor arranged the two stars and nebula of the sword and Sol as on the same
line in 3-space. That's wrong but it's a frequent error: most people like stars
that appear near each other in our 2-space projection are actually near each in
3-space. So I noted the error and ignored it.

You see the same thing in Prometheus and other 'star maps' that act as if some
two dimensional representation would look the same from any place in the galaxy.
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Mike M
2015-10-06 13:31:26 UTC
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Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
Really? I have no idea what you're saying.
The Doctor arranged the two stars and nebula of the sword and Sol as on the same
line in 3-space. That's wrong but it's a frequent error: most people like stars
that appear near each other in our 2-space projection are actually near each in
3-space. So I noted the error and ignored it.
You see the same thing in Prometheus and other 'star maps' that act as if some
two dimensional representation would look the same from any place in the galaxy.
The way it sort of could work (but without the demo) is if the aliens' home
is more or less diametrically opposite Orion in the night sky (in
Ophiuchus? Maybe?) and so in THEIR night sky they would still see Orion,
but with Sol in the way. There is probably a fair sized footprint for which
Sol could appear to be a fourth point in the Sword.

Of course, the aliens would still need to grasp the concept of
constellations and be able to visualise the specific objects in question as
representing a sword, and use that concept. Which is a reach.
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2015-10-06 15:46:25 UTC
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Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
Really? I have no idea what you're saying.
The Doctor arranged the two stars and nebula of the sword and Sol as on the same
line in 3-space. That's wrong but it's a frequent error: most people like stars
that appear near each other in our 2-space projection are actually near each in
3-space. So I noted the error and ignored it.
You see the same thing in Prometheus and other 'star maps' that act as if some
two dimensional representation would look the same from any place in the galaxy.
The way it sort of could work (but without the demo) is if the aliens' home
is more or less diametrically opposite Orion in the night sky (in
Ophiuchus? Maybe?) and so in THEIR night sky they would still see Orion,
but with Sol in the way. There is probably a fair sized footprint for which
Sol could appear to be a fourth point in the Sword.
Of course, the aliens would still need to grasp the concept of
constellations and be able to visualise the specific objects in question as
representing a sword, and use that concept. Which is a reach.
Thank you Mike ... that was what I was trying to say with a
construction.
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Pudentame
2015-10-06 18:09:02 UTC
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Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
Really? I have no idea what you're saying.
The Doctor arranged the two stars and nebula of the sword and Sol as on the same
line in 3-space. That's wrong but it's a frequent error: most people like stars
that appear near each other in our 2-space projection are actually near each in
3-space. So I noted the error and ignored it.
You see the same thing in Prometheus and other 'star maps' that act as if some
two dimensional representation would look the same from any place in the galaxy.
The way it sort of could work (but without the demo) is if the aliens' home
is more or less diametrically opposite Orion in the night sky (in
Ophiuchus? Maybe?) and so in THEIR night sky they would still see Orion,
but with Sol in the way. There is probably a fair sized footprint for which
Sol could appear to be a fourth point in the Sword.
Of course, the aliens would still need to grasp the concept of
constellations and be able to visualise the specific objects in question as
representing a sword, and use that concept. Which is a reach.
It's science-fiction. As usually happens the fiction is a lot better
than the "science". The thing to do is suspend your disbelief & enjoy
the show without getting too concerned about whether the science is
right or wrong.

The stars & nebula that make up the asterism of the sword in Orion's
belt APPEAR to be in a line when seen from the solar system.

They're not. And they wouldn't appear to be in a line if you could
look towards the solar system from somewhere in space "beyond Orion",
because the stars in the constellation are at varying distances.

The aliens don't need to grasp anything. For them it means whatever it
means in the alien language.

It is only our interpretation that gives it a meaning of "the sword in
Orion's belt".
Daniel47
2015-10-07 13:03:27 UTC
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On 7/10/2015 5:09 AM, Pudentame wrote:

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Post by Pudentame
It is only our interpretation that gives it a meaning of "the sword in
Orion's belt".
Especially when you consider that "Orion's Sword" is, actually, the
handle of the pot!!

Daniel
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Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
Post by Mike M
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underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
Post by Mike M
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^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future
soldiers
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in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
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Can someone explain why any employer or the military would
employ
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someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement
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Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter
which
Post by Mike M
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direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
Post by Mike M
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originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an
overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the
Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
Post by Mike M
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
Post by Mike M
occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
Post by Mike M
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the
control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up
that
Post by Mike M
way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly
away
Post by Mike M
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
Post by Mike M
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
Post by Mike M
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
Post by Agamemnon
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put
the right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the
perpendicular side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line
going though the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will
get a straight line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in
the plane of the ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the
sun and every star on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I
tilt it I can get a straight line going through the sun and any star I
choose as I rotate around the sun, assuming that the distance from the
earth to the sun is negligible in astronomical terms.
What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line
through the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to
point at right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I
choose. If I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be
perpendicular to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere
surrounding the sun. One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I
draw on the sphere will ever point at the sun unless I take a normal
to it and I can take any normal to any other line and it will also
point at the sun. What is so special about the Belt of Orion?
Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
It's a projection assuming you know where on the alien's homeworld
starmaps the Sun lies.
So the aliens are in the direction directly opposite Orion. Why doesn't
the Doctor just say that instead of confusing everyone with silly
projections.

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So what part of Orion would Sol be?
The Doctor
2015-10-06 22:00:00 UTC
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In message
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New title sequence... when is it coming?
Spoilers
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5
6
7
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Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future
soldiers
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would
employ
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter
which
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an
overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the
Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
Post by Mike M
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a
reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
Post by Mike M
occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
Post by Mike M
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the
control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work
instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up
that
Post by Mike M
way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly
away
Post by Mike M
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
Post by Mike M
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
Post by Mike M
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
Post by Agamemnon
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put
the right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the
perpendicular side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line
going though the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will
get a straight line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in
the plane of the ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the
sun and every star on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I
tilt it I can get a straight line going through the sun and any star I
choose as I rotate around the sun, assuming that the distance from the
earth to the sun is negligible in astronomical terms.
What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line
through the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to
point at right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I
choose. If I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be
perpendicular to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere
surrounding the sun. One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I
draw on the sphere will ever point at the sun unless I take a normal
to it and I can take any normal to any other line and it will also
point at the sun. What is so special about the Belt of Orion?
Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
It's a projection assuming you know where on the alien's homeworld
starmaps the Sun lies.
So the aliens are in the direction directly opposite Orion. Why doesn't
the Doctor just say that instead of confusing everyone with silly
projections.
*
* *
(S*l) * * *
*
*
* *
So what part of Orion would Sol be?
Remind us in light years the distance of each star in Orion.
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5
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Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future
soldiers
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would
employ
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter
which
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an
overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the
Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
Post by Mike M
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a
reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
Post by Mike M
occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
Post by Mike M
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the
control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work
instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up
that
Post by Mike M
way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly
away
Post by Mike M
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
Post by Mike M
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
Post by Mike M
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
Post by Agamemnon
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put
the right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the
perpendicular side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line
going though the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will
get a straight line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in
the plane of the ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the
sun and every star on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I
tilt it I can get a straight line going through the sun and any star I
choose as I rotate around the sun, assuming that the distance from the
earth to the sun is negligible in astronomical terms.
What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line
through the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to
point at right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I
choose. If I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be
perpendicular to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere
surrounding the sun. One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I
draw on the sphere will ever point at the sun unless I take a normal
to it and I can take any normal to any other line and it will also
point at the sun. What is so special about the Belt of Orion?
Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
It's a projection assuming you know where on the alien's homeworld
starmaps the Sun lies.
So the aliens are in the direction directly opposite Orion. Why doesn't
the Doctor just say that instead of confusing everyone with silly
projections.
*
* *
(S*l) * * *
*
*
* *
So what part of Orion would Sol be?
Remind us in light years the distance of each star in Orion.
Remind you? You mean to tell me it's everyday common knowledge?
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In message
In article
Post by TB
In article
Post by Agamemnon
New title sequence... when is it coming?
Spoilers
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future
soldiers
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would
employ
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter
which
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an
overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the
Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
Post by Mike M
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a
reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
Post by Mike M
occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
Post by Mike M
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the
control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work
instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up
that
Post by Mike M
way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly
away
Post by Mike M
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
Post by Mike M
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
Post by Mike M
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
Post by Agamemnon
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put
the right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the
perpendicular side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line
going though the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will
get a straight line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in
the plane of the ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the
sun and every star on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I
tilt it I can get a straight line going through the sun and any star I
choose as I rotate around the sun, assuming that the distance from the
earth to the sun is negligible in astronomical terms.
What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line
through the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to
point at right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I
choose. If I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be
perpendicular to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere
surrounding the sun. One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I
draw on the sphere will ever point at the sun unless I take a normal
to it and I can take any normal to any other line and it will also
point at the sun. What is so special about the Belt of Orion?
Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
It's a projection assuming you know where on the alien's homeworld
starmaps the Sun lies.
So the aliens are in the direction directly opposite Orion. Why doesn't
the Doctor just say that instead of confusing everyone with silly
projections.
*
* *
(S*l) * * *
*
*
* *
So what part of Orion would Sol be?
Remind us in light years the distance of each star in Orion.
Remind you? You mean to tell me it's everyday common knowledge?
Maybe.
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In the beginning, the Doctor is asking the TARDIS why its unhappy. He's talking to the TARDIS as if its his pet! Why doesn't he just go back inside the TARDIS and ask its computer what is wrong?
Bill Jillians
2015-10-07 07:44:58 UTC
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In message
In article
Post by TB
In article
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New title sequence... when is it coming?
Spoilers
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Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future
soldiers
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would
employ
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter
which
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an
overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the
Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
Post by Mike M
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a
reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
Post by Mike M
occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
Post by Mike M
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the
control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work
instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up
that
Post by Mike M
way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly
away
Post by Mike M
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
Post by Mike M
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
Post by Mike M
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
Post by Agamemnon
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put
the right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the
perpendicular side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line
going though the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will
get a straight line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in
the plane of the ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the
sun and every star on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I
tilt it I can get a straight line going through the sun and any star I
choose as I rotate around the sun, assuming that the distance from the
earth to the sun is negligible in astronomical terms.
What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line
through the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to
point at right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I
choose. If I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be
perpendicular to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere
surrounding the sun. One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I
draw on the sphere will ever point at the sun unless I take a normal
to it and I can take any normal to any other line and it will also
point at the sun. What is so special about the Belt of Orion?
Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
It's a projection assuming you know where on the alien's homeworld
starmaps the Sun lies.
So the aliens are in the direction directly opposite Orion. Why doesn't
the Doctor just say that instead of confusing everyone with silly
projections.
*
* *
(S*l) * * *
*
*
* *
So what part of Orion would Sol be?
Remind us in light years the distance of each star in Orion.
Remind you? You mean to tell me it's everyday common knowledge?
Maybe.
The only one I know is Betelguise which is a red giant and lies about
1900 light years away ... if memory serves.
--
Bill Jillians
The Doctor
2015-10-07 15:00:30 UTC
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In message
In article
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In article
Post by Agamemnon
New title sequence... when is it coming?
Spoilers
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future
soldiers
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would
employ
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter
which
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an
overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the
Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
Post by Mike M
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a
reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
Post by Mike M
occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
Post by Mike M
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the
control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work
instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up
that
Post by Mike M
way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly
away
Post by Mike M
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
Post by Mike M
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
Post by Mike M
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
Post by Agamemnon
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put
the right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the
perpendicular side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line
going though the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will
get a straight line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in
the plane of the ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the
sun and every star on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I
tilt it I can get a straight line going through the sun and any star I
choose as I rotate around the sun, assuming that the distance from the
earth to the sun is negligible in astronomical terms.
What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line
through the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to
point at right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I
choose. If I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be
perpendicular to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere
surrounding the sun. One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I
draw on the sphere will ever point at the sun unless I take a normal
to it and I can take any normal to any other line and it will also
point at the sun. What is so special about the Belt of Orion?
Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
It's a projection assuming you know where on the alien's homeworld
starmaps the Sun lies.
So the aliens are in the direction directly opposite Orion. Why doesn't
the Doctor just say that instead of confusing everyone with silly
projections.
*
* *
(S*l) * * *
*
*
* *
So what part of Orion would Sol be?
Remind us in light years the distance of each star in Orion.
Remind you? You mean to tell me it's everyday common knowledge?
Maybe.
The only one I know is Betelguise which is a red giant and lies about
1900 light years away ... if memory serves.
Therefor you can see when It was the Birth of Christ.
Post by Bill Jillians
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2015-10-07 16:06:01 UTC
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In message
In article
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In article
Post by Agamemnon
New title sequence... when is it coming?
Spoilers
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future
soldiers
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would
employ
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter
which
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an
overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the
Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
Post by Mike M
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a
reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
Post by Mike M
occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
Post by Mike M
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the
control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work
instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up
that
Post by Mike M
way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly
away
Post by Mike M
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
Post by Mike M
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
Post by Mike M
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it
would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
Post by Agamemnon
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put
the right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the
perpendicular side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line
going though the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will
get a straight line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in
the plane of the ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the
sun and every star on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I
tilt it I can get a straight line going through the sun and any star I
choose as I rotate around the sun, assuming that the distance from the
earth to the sun is negligible in astronomical terms.
What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line
through the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to
point at right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I
choose. If I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be
perpendicular to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere
surrounding the sun. One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I
draw on the sphere will ever point at the sun unless I take a normal
to it and I can take any normal to any other line and it will also
point at the sun. What is so special about the Belt of Orion?
Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
It's a projection assuming you know where on the alien's homeworld
starmaps the Sun lies.
So the aliens are in the direction directly opposite Orion. Why doesn't
the Doctor just say that instead of confusing everyone with silly
projections.
*
* *
(S*l) * * *
*
*
* *
So what part of Orion would Sol be?
Remind us in light years the distance of each star in Orion.
Remind you? You mean to tell me it's everyday common knowledge?
Maybe.
The only one I know is Betelguise which is a red giant and lies about
1900 light years away ... if memory serves.
Therefor you can see when It was the Birth of Christ.
All you need to do now is point a TV aerial at a star 26 light years
away and you might be able to watch all the lost episodes of Doctor Who
and record them. The only problem is you'll need a converter that will
take a 405 line signal.
Post by The Doctor
Post by Bill Jillians
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Bill Jillians
Stephen Wilson
2015-10-07 16:35:27 UTC
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All you need to do now is point a TV aerial at a star 26 light years away
and you might be able to watch all the lost episodes of Doctor Who and
record them. The only problem is you'll need a converter that will take a
405 line signal.
Nonsense. You could not possibly pick up any of our own transmissions being
bounced back from a star 26 light years away. You've got a very odd idea
about the way things work.

There is the idea that old radio and TV signals are gradually reaching far
and distant stars. But even that's fantasy.

For a start, you'd need a signal that was powerful and clear enough to be
detected. Our TV transmitters aren't targetted into space in the first
place, and any signals that did make it beyond our planet's ionosphere would
be scattered and absorbed by interstellar gas and dust.

Any TV broadcasts would be completely undetectable beyond a few light years.
So getting equipment that could read a 405 line signal would be the least of
your problems.
Agamemnon
2015-10-07 18:40:40 UTC
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All you need to do now is point a TV aerial at a star 26 light years away
and you might be able to watch all the lost episodes of Doctor Who and
record them. The only problem is you'll need a converter that will take a
405 line signal.
Nonsense. You could not possibly pick up any of our own transmissions being
bounced back from a star 26 light years away. You've got a very odd idea
about the way things work.
There is the idea that old radio and TV signals are gradually reaching far
and distant stars. But even that's fantasy.
For a start, you'd need a signal that was powerful and clear enough to be
detected. Our TV transmitters aren't targetted into space in the first
place, and any signals that did make it beyond our planet's ionosphere would
be scattered and absorbed by interstellar gas and dust.
Any TV broadcasts would be completely undetectable beyond a few light years.
So getting equipment that could read a 405 line signal would be the least of
your problems.
At least my idea has more credibility and is more likely to work than
most of the crap Stephen Maffat has come up with in the past two series
including those ridiculous sonic shades which do everything from
reconstructing the TARDIS to creating animated holograms through solid
objects irrespective of the direction the wearer is looking. Powered by
what? A tiny digital watch or hearing aid battery. Ah yes, hearing aids
seem to have vanished in the future too, and even Davros manages to live
without his life support system despite the 4th Doctor saying would
wouldn't last 90 seconds with it turned off in Genesis of the Daleks.
What was that stupid soup dragon the size of the moon feeding on in Kill
the Moon? How did all those trees suddenly grow and over run every city
on the planet over night and then suddenly disappear in In the Forest of
the Night? Where did all the extra mass come from?

I think on that basis the signal broadcast 52 years ago is strong enough
to have reached a star 26 light years away and bounced back. All you
would need is a 405 line decoder to watch it, and possibly a quantum
computer to filter out all the unwanted noise. You could even try
averaging out the signal over several stars using MIMO technology. There
could be a doctoral thesis and Nobel Prize in it somewhere for someone.
Or did you actually think I was serious?
Rob
2015-10-07 18:57:50 UTC
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including those ridiculous sonic shades which do everything from
reconstructing the TARDIS
I thought that was down to HADS, first mentioned in The Krotons:

<http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Hostile_Action_Displacement_System>

Ta,
--
Rob
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational
in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary
to prove it at all." - Avon, Blake's 7
The Doctor
2015-10-07 19:20:40 UTC
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In message
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Post by TB
In article
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New title sequence... when is it coming?
Spoilers
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0
Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future
soldiers
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would
employ
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter
which
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an
overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the
Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
Post by Mike M
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a
reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
Post by Mike M
occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
Post by Mike M
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the
control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work
instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up
that
Post by Mike M
way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly
away
Post by Mike M
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
Post by Mike M
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
Post by Mike M
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a
direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it
would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
Post by Agamemnon
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put
the right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the
perpendicular side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line
going though the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will
get a straight line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in
the plane of the ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the
sun and every star on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I
tilt it I can get a straight line going through the sun and any star I
choose as I rotate around the sun, assuming that the distance from the
earth to the sun is negligible in astronomical terms.
What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line
through the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to
point at right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I
choose. If I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be
perpendicular to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere
surrounding the sun. One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I
draw on the sphere will ever point at the sun unless I take a normal
to it and I can take any normal to any other line and it will also
point at the sun. What is so special about the Belt of Orion?
Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
It's a projection assuming you know where on the alien's homeworld
starmaps the Sun lies.
So the aliens are in the direction directly opposite Orion. Why doesn't
the Doctor just say that instead of confusing everyone with silly
projections.
*
* *
(S*l) * * *
*
*
* *
So what part of Orion would Sol be?
Remind us in light years the distance of each star in Orion.
Remind you? You mean to tell me it's everyday common knowledge?
Maybe.
The only one I know is Betelguise which is a red giant and lies about
1900 light years away ... if memory serves.
Therefor you can see when It was the Birth of Christ.
All you need to do now is point a TV aerial at a star 26 light years
away and you might be able to watch all the lost episodes of Doctor Who
and record them. The only problem is you'll need a converter that will
take a 405 line signal.
I thoight 405 went out in 1979.
Post by Agamemnon
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Your Name
2015-10-07 20:36:09 UTC
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The only one I know is Betelguise which is a red giant and lies about
1900 light years away ... if memory serves.
Nope. Beetlejuice is a spooky movie starring Michael Keaton. ;-)

In the current "dig up the past" fad of the lazy, talentless generation
in Hollyweird, they were planning a sequel to that movie, but I haven't
heard anything more about it.
Pudentame
2015-10-07 22:43:58 UTC
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Post by Bill Jillians
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Bill Jillians
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Mike M
In message
In article
Post by TB
In article
Post by Agamemnon
New title sequence... when is it coming?
Spoilers
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future
soldiers
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would
employ
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter
which
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an
overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the
Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
Post by Mike M
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a
reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
Post by Mike M
occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
Post by Mike M
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the
control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work
instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up
that
Post by Mike M
way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly
away
Post by Mike M
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
Post by Mike M
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
Post by Mike M
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
Post by Agamemnon
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put
the right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the
perpendicular side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line
going though the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will
get a straight line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in
the plane of the ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the
sun and every star on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I
tilt it I can get a straight line going through the sun and any star I
choose as I rotate around the sun, assuming that the distance from the
earth to the sun is negligible in astronomical terms.
What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line
through the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to
point at right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I
choose. If I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be
perpendicular to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere
surrounding the sun. One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I
draw on the sphere will ever point at the sun unless I take a normal
to it and I can take any normal to any other line and it will also
point at the sun. What is so special about the Belt of Orion?
Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
It's a projection assuming you know where on the alien's homeworld
starmaps the Sun lies.
So the aliens are in the direction directly opposite Orion. Why doesn't
the Doctor just say that instead of confusing everyone with silly
projections.
*
* *
(S*l) * * *
*
*
* *
So what part of Orion would Sol be?
Remind us in light years the distance of each star in Orion.
Remind you? You mean to tell me it's everyday common knowledge?
Maybe.
The only one I know is Betelguise which is a red giant and lies about
1900 light years away ... if memory serves.
Memory doesn't serve as well as looking it up.

It's 643 LY distant ± 146 LY.
The Doctor
2015-10-08 00:00:22 UTC
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On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 08:44:58 +0100, Bill Jillians
Post by Bill Jillians
Post by The Doctor
Post by Agamemnon
Post by The Doctor
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Bill Jillians
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Bill Jillians
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Mike M
In message
In article
Post by TB
In article
Post by Agamemnon
New title sequence... when is it coming?
Spoilers
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future
soldiers
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would
employ
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter
which
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an
overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the
Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
Post by Mike M
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a
reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
Post by Mike M
occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
Post by Mike M
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the
control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work
instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up
that
Post by Mike M
way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly
away
Post by Mike M
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
Post by Mike M
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
Post by Mike M
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it
would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
Post by Agamemnon
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put
the right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the
perpendicular side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line
going though the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will
get a straight line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in
the plane of the ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the
sun and every star on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I
tilt it I can get a straight line going through the sun and any star I
choose as I rotate around the sun, assuming that the distance from the
earth to the sun is negligible in astronomical terms.
What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line
through the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to
point at right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I
choose. If I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be
perpendicular to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere
surrounding the sun. One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I
draw on the sphere will ever point at the sun unless I take a normal
to it and I can take any normal to any other line and it will also
point at the sun. What is so special about the Belt of Orion?
Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
It's a projection assuming you know where on the alien's homeworld
starmaps the Sun lies.
So the aliens are in the direction directly opposite Orion. Why doesn't
the Doctor just say that instead of confusing everyone with silly
projections.
*
* *
(S*l) * * *
*
*
* *
So what part of Orion would Sol be?
Remind us in light years the distance of each star in Orion.
Remind you? You mean to tell me it's everyday common knowledge?
Maybe.
The only one I know is Betelguise which is a red giant and lies about
1900 light years away ... if memory serves.
Memory doesn't serve as well as looking it up.
It's 643 LY distant ± 146 LY.
Which is it?
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Time for Stephen to move on on Oct 19 2015!!
Bill Jillians
2015-10-08 01:37:35 UTC
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On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 08:44:58 +0100, Bill Jillians
Post by Bill Jillians
Post by The Doctor
Post by Agamemnon
Post by The Doctor
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Bill Jillians
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Bill Jillians
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Mike M
In message
In article
Post by TB
In article
Post by Agamemnon
New title sequence... when is it coming?
Spoilers
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
Under the Lake
Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in
a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Post by Agamemnon
As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future
soldiers
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
in combat
will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
Post by Agamemnon
Can someone explain why any employer or the military would
employ
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
someone
who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency
announcement
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter
which
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
Post by Mike M
Post by TB
originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an
overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the
Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
Post by Mike M
Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a
reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
Post by Mike M
occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
Post by Mike M
Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the
control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work
instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up
that
Post by Mike M
way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly
away
Post by Mike M
from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
Post by Mike M
"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
Post by Mike M
Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it
would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
Post by Agamemnon
--
Bill Jillians
If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put
the right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the
perpendicular side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line
going though the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will
get a straight line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in
the plane of the ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the
sun and every star on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I
tilt it I can get a straight line going through the sun and any star I
choose as I rotate around the sun, assuming that the distance from the
earth to the sun is negligible in astronomical terms.
What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line
through the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to
point at right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I
choose. If I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be
perpendicular to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere
surrounding the sun. One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I
draw on the sphere will ever point at the sun unless I take a normal
to it and I can take any normal to any other line and it will also
point at the sun. What is so special about the Belt of Orion?
Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
It's a projection assuming you know where on the alien's homeworld
starmaps the Sun lies.
So the aliens are in the direction directly opposite Orion. Why doesn't
the Doctor just say that instead of confusing everyone with silly
projections.
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So what part of Orion would Sol be?
Remind us in light years the distance of each star in Orion.
Remind you? You mean to tell me it's everyday common knowledge?
Maybe.
The only one I know is Betelguise which is a red giant and lies about
1900 light years away ... if memory serves.
Memory doesn't serve as well as looking it up.
It's 643 LY distant ± 146 LY.
OK ...thank you.

Seeing as I usually forget half my shopping but still don't have a
shopping list you'd think I might have learnt my lesson :(
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Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
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As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set
on an
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military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by
morons.
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^^^^ cum
Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future
soldiers
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will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
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blaring
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which
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Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team
was
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originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military
would have a
deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an
overriding reason
revealed later.
Since the base is underwater, and thus prone to flooding, the
Powers That Be
should certainly have anticipated a need for emergency
announcements!
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Speaking of which.....why the hell flood habitats just because a
reactor is
wonky? The reactor spaces should be completely isolated from all
human
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occupied
spaces in case, you know, of contaminant breach. It was like the
end of
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Torchwood when some idiot decided to vent a wonky reactor to the
control room;
the control room is supposed to be the strongest, safest, more
survivable place
in the facility. That way operators can concentrate on their work
instead of
their immediate survival.
Also a more esoteric problem is the stars in Orion only line up
that
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way from
Earth. Go any distance from the sun and they are in very different
arrangements.
They don't point to Earth. But that's a common mistake.
But if you go to the other side of Orion's belt or fly directly
away
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from it in the opposite direction the stars will line up with the
Sun a
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"sword" in the belt.
No they won't. The sword hangs from Orion's Belt. It doesn't point
at the
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Earth at all.
I think the point of the doctors speech there was to say that viewed
from a different star system ... the home planet of the alien ... the
sun would form one more star in Orion's belt if you head in a direction
diametrically opposite to the belt from Earth. I dom't see why it would
still be called the belt though as all the stars would be in different
positions apart from the belt so the constellation would hardly look
like Orion.
The stars in the belt of Orion are not all in the same plane. They
only appear to be so from Earth. How can it possibly used as a pointer
when the stars do no form a straight line or anything approaching a
straight line?
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If you put a set square on the line of Orion's belt and have the
perpendicular line pointing toward the Sun then everything on the
extended perpendicular line through the sun and out into space will look
back at the sun and see it at the right angle of the set square lying on
Orion's belt with the sun the closest star of the stars that make up the
belt.
It only works on that perpendicular line though as if you stray from
that parallax will move the stars on Orion's belt out of a straight line.
This is pure nonsense. If I look up at the Square of Pegasus and put
the right angle of a set square on my forehead and point the
perpendicular side to the Square of Pegasus I will get a straight line
going though the sun. If I point my set square at the pole star I will
get a straight line going through the sun. If I point it at the sun in
the plane of the ecliptic I will get a straight line going through the
sun and every star on the ecliptic eventually as I orbit the sun. If I
tilt it I can get a straight line going through the sun and any star I
choose as I rotate around the sun, assuming that the distance from the
earth to the sun is negligible in astronomical terms.
What does the Belt of Orion have to do with it? If I draw a line
through the stars in the Belt of Orion on a star map it's going to
point at right angles to the sun as will any line through any stars I
choose. If I draw a line through the Sword of Orion it will also be
perpendicular to the sun since it's plotted on a virtual sphere
surrounding the sun. One thing that is guaranteed is that no line I
draw on the sphere will ever point at the sun unless I take a normal
to it and I can take any normal to any other line and it will also
point at the sun. What is so special about the Belt of Orion?
Well the doctor said that the sun Made up the 4th star in Orion's belt
as viewed from the alien's homeworld. That would work if you put the
set square along Orion's belt, have the right angle at the point where
the sun would be on the alien's homeworld maps and follow the
perpendiclar from Orion's belt ... through the Sun and out into space on
the other side of the sun. Follow that perpendicular and eventually you
will come to the alien's homeworld.
It's a projection assuming you know where on the alien's homeworld
starmaps the Sun lies.
So the aliens are in the direction directly opposite Orion. Why doesn't
the Doctor just say that instead of confusing everyone with silly
projections.
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Impossible to say from what we were given in the episode (apart from it
lies somewhere on the Belt). But if you knew you could find the
direction of the alien's homeworld from Earth.
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would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a
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Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
Nothing like. The rugby world cup actually involves 20 different nations.
The baseball world series involves teams from America, and teams from...
well, America.
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would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a
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Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
No, that was the Ashes. Rugby is the ancestor of what you mistakenly call Football. Football over here is played with a ball you don't pick up and outside America the word "World" actually means the whole world and not just the US of A.
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As has become the norm for the new series the episode is set on an underwater
military base come private enterprise run by and staffed by morons.
^^^^ cum
Isn't that a bit rude?
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Aliens 2. Doom movie. Etc. For some reason in the future soldiers in combat will
take their orders from corporate idiots.
No wonder the west can't defeat ISIS. Maybe the Russians will show us how to do it properly.
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Can someone explain why any employer or the military would employ someone who
is completely deaf when the ability to hear an emergency announcement blaring
from the loud speakers across the whole workplace no matter which direction
Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team was originally
deployed?
Of course they were. There were flashing signs all over the place and it's an underwater base. It's basic health than safety. How is a deaf person going to hear a fire alarm?
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I don't understand why a military or para-military would have a deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an overriding reason
revealed later.
If it is or even if it isn't it's moronic writing at it's most moronic. Assuming is has something to do with communicating with the ghosts, why don't they use Morse code. Of course that's another reason why you wouldn't have a deaf person in any sort of command or operations position on a remote base.
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catchy? And this writing inside the space ship or whatever it turns out to be
is meant to be like it too, like you can't get it our of your head, but you
can't read it or hear it, it's written in gibberish (which will probably turn
out to be a form of sign language), so how does it get into your head in the
first place? And then when you die after seeing it you become some kind of
transmitter of something you can't even read and don't even understand? This
is supposed to be science-fiction not outright fantasy. Obviously the guy who
wasn't killed stayed alive because sign language girl stopped him from
entering the craft.
Maybe it directly imprints on the brain; in that case we are screwed now. It was
a bit like looking at weeping angel would create one from your brain.
And it explains why ghosts initially abided the Doctor and Clara, led them to
the writing, and then put them on the menu.
How does imprinting on the brain work when you can't either read or understand the writing? Because it's magic? Why just this writing and not the whole space ship?
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I'd like the bit about the notecards. There was never any reason for a
Gallefreyian to fully understand the emotions of humans.
It's seems the theme of this series so far is not just people with disabilities but to mock the afflicted also. When did Kirk or McCoy ever get Spock to read from silly note-cards?
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Football. Football over here is played with a ball you don't pick up and
outside America the word "World" actually means the whole world and not just
the US of A.
If by 'world' you mean 'England and its dependent children still tied to their
mother's apron strings because they lack the strength, the character, the
ingenuity, and the pioneer spirit to kick England back across the ocean.'
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Of course they were. There were flashing signs all over the place and it's an
underwater base. It's basic health than safety. How is a deaf person going to
hear a fire alarm?
They probably hear the flashing signs as well as anyone else can. How do you
think deaf can hear fire alarms today? By adding flashing lights. It didn't seem
like they were anticipating any danger and repeated auditory only alerts before
the dead began the to walk the lake bed.
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I'd like the bit about the notecards. There was never any reason for a
Gallefreyian to fully understand the emotions of humans.
It's seems the theme of this series so far is not just people with
disabilities but to mock the afflicted also. When did Kirk or McCoy ever get
Spock to read from silly note-cards?
Spock faced near mutiny due to his inability to understand the emotions of the
crew. Maybe he should've been given a set of note cards.
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No, that was the Ashes. Rugby is the ancestor of what you mistakenly call
Football. Football over here is played with a ball you don't pick up and
outside America the word "World" actually means the whole world and not just
the US of A.
If by 'world' you mean 'England and its dependent children still tied to their
mother's apron strings because they lack the strength, the character, the
ingenuity, and the pioneer spirit to kick England back across the ocean.'
You mean like Canada and Australia and um... France and Italy?
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Of course they were. There were flashing signs all over the place and it's an
underwater base. It's basic health than safety. How is a deaf person going to
hear a fire alarm?
They probably hear the flashing signs as well as anyone else can. How do you
think deaf can hear fire alarms today? By adding flashing lights. It didn't seem
like they were anticipating any danger and repeated auditory only alerts before
the dead began the to walk the lake bed.
What if they are not looking in the direction of the signs. Most fire alarm systems that I am familiar with do not have flashing signs. They could trigger an epileptic fit. What if the deaf person needs to communicate danger to someone that does not understand sign language or is not looking at them. This one couldn't even shout "look out there's someone behind you."
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I'd like the bit about the notecards. There was never any reason for a
Gallefreyian to fully understand the emotions of humans.
It's seems the theme of this series so far is not just people with
disabilities but to mock the afflicted also. When did Kirk or McCoy ever get
Spock to read from silly note-cards?
Spock faced near mutiny due to his inability to understand the emotions of the
crew. Maybe he should've been given a set of note cards.
But Spock won them over in the end. Neither Spock nor Data needed note-cards and if your in a command position expressing emotions is a negative. You need to be calm and collected and emotionally detached to make decisions which could affect peoples lives.
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would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two
parter in a row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
No, that was the Ashes. Rugby is the ancestor of what you mistakenly call
Football. Football over here is played with a ball you don't pick up and
outside America the word "World" actually means the whole world and not
just the US of A.
If by 'world' you mean 'England and its dependent children still tied to
their mother's apron strings because they lack the strength, the
character, the ingenuity, and the pioneer spirit to kick England
back across the ocean.'
You mean like Canada and Australia and um... France and Italy?
Yep, there's 20 teams from all over the planet (they even let in a team
from that weird country "USA") ...

Argentina
Australia
Canada
England
Fiji
France
Georgia
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Namibia
New Zealand
Romania
Samoa
Scotland
South Africa
Tonga
United States
Wales
Uruguay

... although most of the "Japanese" team were actually from elsewhere.
:-\
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Yep, there's 20 teams from all over the planet (they even let in a team
from that weird country "USA") ...
Argentina
Australia
Canada
England
Fiji
France
Georgia
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Namibia
New Zealand
Romania
Samoa
Scotland
South Africa
Tonga
United States
Wales
Uruguay
... although most of the "Japanese" team were actually from elsewhere.
:-\
Does the Rugby World Cup have regional play-offs with the top two or
three or whatever qualifying for the final World Cup divisions?? (like
Soccer has for its World Cup thing)

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Yep, there's 20 teams from all over the planet (they even let in a team
from that weird country "USA") ...
Argentina
Australia
Canada
England
Fiji
France
Georgia
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Namibia
New Zealand
Romania
Samoa
Scotland
South Africa
Tonga
United States
Wales
Uruguay
... although most of the "Japanese" team were actually from elsewhere.
:-\
Does the Rugby World Cup have regional play-offs with the top two or
three or whatever qualifying for the final World Cup divisions?? (like
Soccer has for its World Cup thing)
Daniel
Well Rugby needs to get bigger.
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Yep, there's 20 teams from all over the planet (they even let in a team
from that weird country "USA") ...
Argentina
Australia
Canada
England
Fiji
France
Georgia
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Namibia
New Zealand
Romania
Samoa
Scotland
South Africa
Tonga
United States
Wales
Uruguay
... although most of the "Japanese" team were actually from elsewhere.
:-\
Does the Rugby World Cup have regional play-offs with the top two or
three or whatever qualifying for the final World Cup divisions?? (like
Soccer has for its World Cup thing)
Daniel
Well Rugby needs to get bigger.
Ob Doctor Who: Apply the TARDIS' Transcendental Dimensional tech to Rugby? (Make the Rugby Pitches bigger on the Inside).
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Yep, there's 20 teams from all over the planet (they even let in a team
from that weird country "USA") ...
Argentina
Australia
Canada
England
Fiji
France
Georgia
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Namibia
New Zealand
Romania
Samoa
Scotland
South Africa
Tonga
United States
Wales
Uruguay
... although most of the "Japanese" team were actually from elsewhere.
:-\
Does the Rugby World Cup have regional play-offs with the top two or
three or whatever qualifying for the final World Cup divisions?? (like
Soccer has for its World Cup thing)
Daniel
Well Rugby needs to get bigger.
Ob Doctor Who: Apply the TARDIS' Transcendental Dimensional tech to Rugby? (Make the Rugby Pitches bigger on the Inside).
Can the Doctor coach Brazil in rugby?
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Yep, there's 20 teams from all over the planet (they even let
in a team from that weird country "USA") ...
Argentina Australia Canada England Fiji France Georgia Ireland
Italy Japan Namibia New Zealand Romania Samoa Scotland South
Africa Tonga United States Wales Uruguay
... although most of the "Japanese" team were actually from
elsewhere. :-\
Does the Rugby World Cup have regional play-offs with the top two
or three or whatever qualifying for the final World Cup
divisions?? (like Soccer has for its World Cup thing)
Daniel
Well Rugby needs to get bigger.
Ob Doctor Who: Apply the TARDIS' Transcendental Dimensional tech to
Rugby? (Make the Rugby Pitches bigger on the Inside).
No, make the pitches bigger on the outside .... so everyone gets a front
row seat!!

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But would it be safe to just look at a PHOTO of those symbols?
Dunno Tim. Are you feeling an urge to die and start mumbling the message?
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But would it be safe to just look at a PHOTO of those symbols?
Dunno Tim. Are you feeling an urge to die and start mumbling the message?
What if I were to simply draw those symbols, then have the Doctor erase those symbols from my mind with his magic glasses? I don't see a mere drawing as being able to convey the mind control magic!
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But would it be safe to just look at a PHOTO of those symbols?
Dunno Tim. Are you feeling an urge to die and start mumbling the message?
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That would be scary.
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Yep, there's 20 teams from all over the planet (they even let in a team
from that weird country "USA") ...
Argentina
Australia
Canada
England
Fiji
France
Georgia
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Namibia
New Zealand
Romania
Samoa
Scotland
South Africa
Tonga
United States
Wales
Uruguay
... although most of the "Japanese" team were actually from elsewhere.
:-\
Does the Rugby World Cup have regional play-offs with the top two or
three or whatever qualifying for the final World Cup divisions?? (like
Soccer has for its World Cup thing)
No idea. I have absolutely no interest in it (nor any other sport). I'm
just thankful that it's in England this year, so doesn't bump the
regular TV shows nor clog up the roads with idiot fans.

Having said that, do you really see Romania as being a top rugby
nation?? ;-)
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No, that was the Ashes. Rugby is the ancestor of what you mistakenly call
Football. Football over here is played with a ball you don't pick up and
outside America the word "World" actually means the whole world and not just
the US of A.
If by 'world' you mean 'England and its dependent children still tied to their
mother's apron strings because they lack the strength, the character, the
ingenuity, and the pioneer spirit to kick England back across the ocean.'
You mean like Canada and Australia and um... France and Italy?
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Agamemnon
Of course they were. There were flashing signs all over the place and it's an
underwater base. It's basic health than safety. How is a deaf person going to
hear a fire alarm?
They probably hear the flashing signs as well as anyone else can. How do you
think deaf can hear fire alarms today? By adding flashing lights. It didn't seem
like they were anticipating any danger and repeated auditory only alerts before
the dead began the to walk the lake bed.
What if they are not looking in the direction of the signs. Most fire alarm systems
that I am familiar with do not have flashing signs. They could trigger
an epileptic fit. What if the deaf person needs to communicate danger
to someone that does not understand sign language or is not looking at
them. This one couldn't even shout "look out there's someone behind
you."
ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) compliant fire alarm systems
have strobes as well as audible alarms. The strobes have to flash
bright enough so that they will illuminate the entire room in such a
way that a deaf person will notice it even if there is an intervening
pillar or other support structure.

https://www.edwards-signals.com/files/85001-0541-E_--_Strobe_Handbook.pdf

http://www.gentex.com/sites/default/files/fire_docs/FAREQUIR.PDF
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: With the advent of the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1992, issues
: *4.28.3 In the provisions of ADAAG indicated that strobe lights be installed
: * The lamp shall be a XENON strobe type or equivalent.
: * The color shall be clear or nominal white.
: * The maximum pulse duration shall be 2/10 of a second.
: * The intensity shall be a minimum of 75 Candela.
: * The flash rate shall be a minimum of 1HZ and a maximum of 3HZ.
: * In general, no place in any room or space required to have a visual signal shall be
: more than 50 feet from the signal.
I expect the UK & European Union have similar standards.

OTOH, the alarms shown in the episode didn't appear to be ADA
compliant.

Might be a moot point, because you can't just run outside from an
underwater base if the fire alarm goes off.
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Football. Football over here is played with a ball you don't pick up and
outside America the word "World" actually means the whole world and not just
the US of A.
If by 'world' you mean 'England and its dependent children still tied to their
mother's apron strings because they lack the strength, the character, the
ingenuity, and the pioneer spirit to kick England back across the ocean.'
You mean like Canada and Australia and um... France and Italy?
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Post by Agamemnon
Of course they were. There were flashing signs all over the place and it's an
underwater base. It's basic health than safety. How is a deaf person going to
hear a fire alarm?
They probably hear the flashing signs as well as anyone else can. How do you
think deaf can hear fire alarms today? By adding flashing lights. It didn't seem
like they were anticipating any danger and repeated auditory only alerts before
the dead began the to walk the lake bed.
What if they are not looking in the direction of the signs. Most fire alarm systems
that I am familiar with do not have flashing signs. They could trigger
an epileptic fit. What if the deaf person needs to communicate danger
to someone that does not understand sign language or is not looking at
them. This one couldn't even shout "look out there's someone behind
you."
ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) compliant fire alarm systems
have strobes as well as audible alarms. The strobes have to flash
bright enough so that they will illuminate the entire room in such a
way that a deaf person will notice it even if there is an intervening
pillar or other support structure.
https://www.edwards-signals.com/files/85001-0541-E_--_Strobe_Handbook.pdf
http://www.gentex.com/sites/default/files/fire_docs/FAREQUIR.PDF
Post by Agamemnon
: With the advent of the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1992, issues
: *4.28.3 In the provisions of ADAAG indicated that strobe lights be installed
: * The lamp shall be a XENON strobe type or equivalent.
: * The color shall be clear or nominal white.
: * The maximum pulse duration shall be 2/10 of a second.
: * The intensity shall be a minimum of 75 Candela.
: * The flash rate shall be a minimum of 1HZ and a maximum of 3HZ.
: * In general, no place in any room or space required to have a visual signal shall be
: more than 50 feet from the signal.
I expect the UK & European Union have similar standards.
No such regulation in the UK. I've never seen such a thing as a flashing fire alarm. All they're required to do is ring a bell or turn on a siren.

Also if the person is deaf they're not going to hear the phone ring. If it was fitted with a flashing light how would they distinguish if from the flashing fire alarm?

Having a deaf person on a base like this would be a health an safety hazard fro themselves or everybody else. It's time for Maffat and co to come to terms with reality. You wouldn't have a blind person piloting a space ship. Not unless they had some sort of visual aid like Geordie La Forge, not a guide dog.
Post by Pudentame
OTOH, the alarms shown in the episode didn't appear to be ADA
compliant.
Might be a moot point, because you can't just run outside from an
underwater base if the fire alarm goes off.
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No, that was the Ashes. Rugby is the ancestor of what you mistakenly call
Football. Football over here is played with a ball you don't pick up and
outside America the word "World" actually means the whole world and not just
the US of A.
If by 'world' you mean 'England and its dependent children still tied to their
mother's apron strings because they lack the strength, the character, the
ingenuity, and the pioneer spirit to kick England back across the ocean.'
You mean like Canada and Australia and um... France and Italy?
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Agamemnon
Of course they were. There were flashing signs all over the place and it's an
underwater base. It's basic health than safety. How is a deaf person going to
hear a fire alarm?
They probably hear the flashing signs as well as anyone else can. How do you
think deaf can hear fire alarms today? By adding flashing lights. It didn't seem
like they were anticipating any danger and repeated auditory only alerts before
the dead began the to walk the lake bed.
What if they are not looking in the direction of the signs. Most fire alarm systems
that I am familiar with do not have flashing signs. They could trigger
an epileptic fit. What if the deaf person needs to communicate danger
to someone that does not understand sign language or is not looking at
them. This one couldn't even shout "look out there's someone behind
you."
ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) compliant fire alarm systems
have strobes as well as audible alarms. The strobes have to flash
bright enough so that they will illuminate the entire room in such a
way that a deaf person will notice it even if there is an intervening
pillar or other support structure.
https://www.edwards-signals.com/files/85001-0541-E_--_Strobe_Handbook.pdf
http://www.gentex.com/sites/default/files/fire_docs/FAREQUIR.PDF
Post by Agamemnon
: With the advent of the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1992, issues
: *4.28.3 In the provisions of ADAAG indicated that strobe lights be installed
: * The lamp shall be a XENON strobe type or equivalent.
: * The color shall be clear or nominal white.
: * The maximum pulse duration shall be 2/10 of a second.
: * The intensity shall be a minimum of 75 Candela.
: * The flash rate shall be a minimum of 1HZ and a maximum of 3HZ.
: * In general, no place in any room or space required to have a visual signal shall be
: more than 50 feet from the signal.
I expect the UK & European Union have similar standards.
No such regulation in the UK. I've never seen such a thing as a flashing fire alarm. All they're required to do is ring a bell or turn on a siren.
Also if the person is deaf they're not going to hear the phone ring. If it was fitted with a flashing light how would they distinguish if from the flashing fire alarm?
Having a deaf person on a base like this would be a health an safety hazard fro themselves or everybody else. It's time for Maffat and co to come to terms with reality. You wouldn't have a blind person piloting a space ship. Not unless they had some sort of visual aid like Geordie La Forge, not a guide dog.
And another point. How are they going to see a flashing alarm if they're sleeping. At least an audible alarm would wake a hearing person up like an alarm clock. Like I said having a deaf person on a base like this would be a health an safety hazard for themselves and everybody else.

A deaf person would not even pass the army medical for being posted to active duty.

When will people who write about the military at least try to have a clue about how it actually works. Back in the Pertwee years most people had done national service so had a clue.
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Post by Pudentame
OTOH, the alarms shown in the episode didn't appear to be ADA
compliant.
Might be a moot point, because you can't just run outside from an
underwater base if the fire alarm goes off.
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When will people who write about the military at least try to have a clue
about how it actually works. Back in the Pertwee years most people had done
national service so had a clue.
UNIT is not a strictly military organisation. It has had civilian scientists as
well mentally handicapped like Jo. They might well have a deaf person for some
special skills.
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When will people who write about the military at least try to have a clue
about how it actually works. Back in the Pertwee years most people had done
national service so had a clue.
UNIT is not a strictly military organisation. It has had civilian scientists as
well mentally handicapped like Jo. They might well have a deaf person for some
special skills.
Jo Grant was mentally handicapped?

The underwater base belonged to Vector Petroleum, not to UNIT.

Isn't it amazing that large oil discoveries are still being made in the 22nd century?

Why hasn't the 22nd century world switched to renewables yet?
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When will people who write about the military at least try to have a clue
about how it actually works. Back in the Pertwee years most people had done
national service so had a clue.
UNIT is not a strictly military organisation. It has had civilian scientists as
well mentally handicapped like Jo. They might well have a deaf person for some
special skills.
The military personnel assigned to the base were not UNIT. It really
doesn't specify what military organization they were part of, only
that they were military.

As I noted in another post, it would have been more realistic if the
deaf woman had been a civilian scientist/technician whose work there
at the base the military detachment were supporting.

A deaf person could not meet the physical standards required to serve
in the military. I don't see any reason to believe that part of the
standards would change.

Agamemnon gets at least that much right.

OTOH, a paramilitary organization, like "The Church of the Papal
Mainframe" might have different physical standards ...

The personnel at the base might be part some early non-state actor,
paramilitary organization leading towards the "The Church" as seen in
"The Time of Angels" & "Flesh and Stone"; "A Good Man Goes to War";
and "The Time of the Doctor".
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When will people who write about the military at least try to have a clue
about how it actually works. Back in the Pertwee years most people had done
national service so had a clue.
UNIT is not a strictly military organisation. It has had civilian scientists as
well mentally handicapped like Jo. They might well have a deaf person for some
special skills.
The military personnel assigned to the base were not UNIT. It really
doesn't specify what military organization they were part of, only
that they were military.
As I noted in another post, it would have been more realistic if the
deaf woman had been a civilian scientist/technician whose work there
at the base the military detachment were supporting.
I don't know about England, but civilians attached to US military units are
sometimes given military clothes but with all insignia removed.
Post by Pudentame
The personnel at the base might be part some early non-state actor,
paramilitary organization leading towards the "The Church" as seen in
"The Time of Angels" & "Flesh and Stone"; "A Good Man Goes to War";
and "The Time of the Doctor".
They better hurry up. The Anglican Marines are a mere 3000 years later.
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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
When is a Kenyan not a Kenyan? When he's a Canadian.
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No such regulation in the UK. I've never seen such a thing as a flashing fire
alarm. All they're required to do is ring a bell or turn on a siren.
We all extrapolate for our own environment.
Post by Agamemnon
Also if the person is deaf they're not going to hear the phone ring. If it
was fitted with a flashing light how would they distinguish if from the
flashing fire alarm?
The alarm light is near the klaxon. You can see the strobe on the walls and then
look at the alarm box to verify it. Usually also battery operated floodlights
nearby in case of power failure. A telephone light is on the handset.
Post by Agamemnon
Having a deaf person on a base like this would be a health an safety hazard
fro themselves or everybody else. It's time for Maffat and co to come to
Under US law if the base is run like an office building it would be safe for
deaf, and likely blind and handicapped as well.

Communication is vital for a military commander, so I don't understand how she
can be second in command, but there's nothing to show if there's a reason or
just bad writing.
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Pudentame
OTOH, the alarms shown in the episode didn't appear to be ADA
compliant.
Alarms, sprinklers, and all that other legal compliance stuff are expensive for
a detail few would notice.
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Pudentame
Might be a moot point, because you can't just run outside from an
underwater base if the fire alarm goes off.
Underwater you would seal off the fire, don breathing gear, muster the
firefighting team, that sort of thing.
--
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No such regulation in the UK. I've never seen such a thing as a flashing fire
alarm. All they're required to do is ring a bell or turn on a siren.
We all extrapolate for our own environment.
Post by Agamemnon
Also if the person is deaf they're not going to hear the phone ring. If it
was fitted with a flashing light how would they distinguish if from the
flashing fire alarm?
The alarm light is near the klaxon. You can see the strobe on the walls and then
look at the alarm box to verify it. Usually also battery operated floodlights
nearby in case of power failure. A telephone light is on the handset.
There are requirements for fire alarm notification equipment to
include a visual component for the hearing impaired. They apparently
are fairly recently enacted, being phased in between 2010 and 2012.

BS EN-54 Part 23.

I looked them up.
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Agamemnon
Having a deaf person on a base like this would be a health an safety hazard
fro themselves or everybody else. It's time for Maffat and co to come to
Under US law if the base is run like an office building it would be safe for
deaf, and likely blind and handicapped as well.
Communication is vital for a military commander, so I don't understand how she
can be second in command, but there's nothing to show if there's a reason or
just bad writing.
It would be a lot more realistic if she were a civilian in a position
to have authority over the military detachment. Then she could tell
the person in charge of the detachment what the detachment should do,
without being in the actual chain of command.
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Pudentame
OTOH, the alarms shown in the episode didn't appear to be ADA
compliant.
Alarms, sprinklers, and all that other legal compliance stuff are expensive for
a detail few would notice.
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Pudentame
Might be a moot point, because you can't just run outside from an
underwater base if the fire alarm goes off.
Underwater you would seal off the fire, don breathing gear, muster the
firefighting team, that sort of thing.
Yeah, but I don't think the show has a budget that would allow them to
show that realistically, so they just kind of wing it.

They take a lot of dramatic license.

Most science fiction TV shows have a lot more fiction than they have
science. Doctor Who is not the worst offender by any means.
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2015-10-06 16:36:46 UTC
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Post by Pudentame
ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) compliant fire alarm systems
have strobes as well as audible alarms. The strobes have to flash
bright enough so that they will illuminate the entire room in such a
way that a deaf person will notice it even if there is an intervening
pillar or other support structure.
https://www.edwards-signals.com/files/85001-0541-E_--_Strobe_Handbook.pdf
http://www.gentex.com/sites/default/files/fire_docs/FAREQUIR.PDF
Post by Agamemnon
: With the advent of the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1992, issues
: *4.28.3 In the provisions of ADAAG indicated that strobe lights be installed
: * The lamp shall be a XENON strobe type or equivalent.
: * The color shall be clear or nominal white.
: * The maximum pulse duration shall be 2/10 of a second.
: * The intensity shall be a minimum of 75 Candela.
: * The flash rate shall be a minimum of 1HZ and a maximum of 3HZ.
: * In general, no place in any room or space required to have a visual signal shall be
: more than 50 feet from the signal.
I expect the UK & European Union have similar standards.
No such regulation in the UK. I've never seen such a thing as a flashing fire alarm.
All they're required to do is ring a bell or turn on a siren.
Might look at:

BS 5839 Part 1 Fire detection and fire alarm systems for buildings –
Part 1: Code of practice for design, installation, commissioning and
maintenance of systems in non-domestic premises.

That's the British Standard and it requires notification devices to
comply with:

EN 54 Fire detection and fire alarm systems (the European Standard -
through BS EN 55).

EN 54 part 23 Fire detection and fire alarm systems. Fire alarm
devices. Visual alarms

http://www.cooperfulleon.com/about-us/press-releases/new-european-standard-bs-en-54-23

Looks like it's a fairly new requirement. The UK and EU are about 10
to 15 years behind the US in addressing Life Safety issues concerning
people with disabilities and/or handicaps.
Mike M
2015-10-06 17:00:06 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Post by Pudentame
ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) compliant fire alarm systems
have strobes as well as audible alarms. The strobes have to flash
bright enough so that they will illuminate the entire room in such a
way that a deaf person will notice it even if there is an intervening
pillar or other support structure.
https://www.edwards-signals.com/files/85001-0541-E_--_Strobe_Handbook.pdf
http://www.gentex.com/sites/default/files/fire_docs/FAREQUIR.PDF
Post by Agamemnon
With the advent of the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1992, issues
*4.28.3 In the provisions of ADAAG indicated that strobe lights be installed
* The lamp shall be a XENON strobe type or equivalent.
* The color shall be clear or nominal white.
* The maximum pulse duration shall be 2/10 of a second.
* The intensity shall be a minimum of 75 Candela.
* The flash rate shall be a minimum of 1HZ and a maximum of 3HZ.
* In general, no place in any room or space required to have a visual signal shall be
more than 50 feet from the signal.
I expect the UK & European Union have similar standards.
No such regulation in the UK. I've never seen such a thing as a flashing fire alarm.
All they're required to do is ring a bell or turn on a siren.
BS 5839 Part 1 Fire detection and fire alarm systems for buildings –
Part 1: Code of practice for design, installation, commissioning and
maintenance of systems in non-domestic premises.
That's the British Standard and it requires notification devices to
EN 54 Fire detection and fire alarm systems (the European Standard -
through BS EN 55).
EN 54 part 23 Fire detection and fire alarm systems. Fire alarm
devices. Visual alarms
http://www.cooperfulleon.com/about-us/press-releases/new-european-standard-bs-en-54-23
Looks like it's a fairly new requirement. The UK and EU are about 10
to 15 years behind the US in addressing Life Safety issues concerning
people with disabilities and/or handicaps.
It's a new standard for visibility of the visual alarm but the principle
was enshrined in BS8300 by 2001 or so.
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2015-10-06 17:08:22 UTC
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No such regulation in the UK. I've never seen such a thing as a flashing fire alarm.
All they're required to do is ring a bell or turn on a siren.
BS 5839 Part 1 Fire detection and fire alarm systems for buildings –
Part 1: Code of practice for design, installation, commissioning and
maintenance of systems in non-domestic premises.
That's the British Standard and it requires notification devices to
EN 54 Fire detection and fire alarm systems (the European Standard -
through BS EN 55).
EN 54 part 23 Fire detection and fire alarm systems. Fire alarm
devices. Visual alarms
http://www.cooperfulleon.com/about-us/press-releases/new-european-standard-bs-
en-54-23
Looks like it's a fairly new requirement. The UK and EU are about 10
to 15 years behind the US in addressing Life Safety issues concerning
people with disabilities and/or handicaps.


This a fire alarm test in the US with klaxons and strobes.
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2015-10-06 17:27:12 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Post by Pudentame
ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) compliant fire alarm systems
have strobes as well as audible alarms. The strobes have to flash
bright enough so that they will illuminate the entire room in such a
way that a deaf person will notice it even if there is an intervening
pillar or other support structure.
https://www.edwards-signals.com/files/85001-0541-E_--_Strobe_Handbook.pdf
http://www.gentex.com/sites/default/files/fire_docs/FAREQUIR.PDF
Post by Agamemnon
: With the advent of the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1992, issues
: *4.28.3 In the provisions of ADAAG indicated that strobe lights be installed
: * The lamp shall be a XENON strobe type or equivalent.
: * The color shall be clear or nominal white.
: * The maximum pulse duration shall be 2/10 of a second.
: * The intensity shall be a minimum of 75 Candela.
: * The flash rate shall be a minimum of 1HZ and a maximum of 3HZ.
: * In general, no place in any room or space required to have a visual signal shall be
: more than 50 feet from the signal.
I expect the UK & European Union have similar standards.
No such regulation in the UK. I've never seen such a thing as a flashing fire alarm.
All they're required to do is ring a bell or turn on a siren.
BS 5839 Part 1 Fire detection and fire alarm systems for buildings –
Part 1: Code of practice for design, installation, commissioning and
maintenance of systems in non-domestic premises.
That's the British Standard and it requires notification devices to
EN 54 Fire detection and fire alarm systems (the European Standard -
through BS EN 55).
EN 54 part 23 Fire detection and fire alarm systems. Fire alarm
devices. Visual alarms
http://www.cooperfulleon.com/about-us/press-releases/new-european-standard-bs-en-54-23
Looks like it's a fairly new requirement. The UK and EU are about 10
to 15 years behind the US in addressing Life Safety issues concerning
people with disabilities and/or handicaps.
If this is a UK regulations then every building I've been in over the
past decade where they've had a fire drill hasn't complied with it.
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Were there any emergency announcements anticpated when the team was originally
deployed? I don't understand why a military or para-military would have a deaf
second in command, either, but perhaps there will be an overriding reason
revealed later.
Even now, in 2015, we are able to provide cochlear impants for people who
are profoundly deaf. I'd like to think that we'd be slightly more advanced
again by 2219...
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Damn... It's a two parter.
would have lost to the Rugby and for this being the second two parter in a
row.
Is a rugby world cup like a baseball world series?
More like the "Football" (aka Soccer here in the USA) World Cup but
with fewer non-English speaking countries competing.
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New title sequence... when is it coming?
What makes you think there's going to be a new title sequence? Maybe next
series. Assuming there will be a next series

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Capaldi's acting was terrible. He was in and out of Scot's every other
minute. No wonder
Tennant advised him against keeping his native accent. He knew this was
going to happen
and Capladi couldn't handle it.
In and out of Scot's? No idea what that means. He speaks English with a
Scottish accent. Don't see what the problem is.
Post by Agamemnon
On top of the idiotic psychic paper which was totally pointless as this was
a UNIT operation,
the sonic sunglasses have no developed the ability to create holograms in
order to service the
plot. Ridiculous.
Wearable tech. No dafter than the sonic screwdriver.
Post by Agamemnon
9/10 for entertainment. Let down by the stupid interpretor gimmick, Capaldi
going in and out
of his stupid Scottish accent willy nilly and the fact that it turns out
that it's a two parter. Had
it been just a single part story I would have given it 10.
I like 2 parters. I didn't think his accent was stupid, and I didn't think
it varied.
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78/100 for writing. I would have given it 86 had it been resolved in just a
single episode but the
fact that after 45 minutes we've learned absolutely nothing and it's pure
fantasy which we have
to endure 45 minutes more off has caused me to lower my score. Had the
story been more
substantial and we'd actually learned something I would have given it
higher marks.
You're not meant to have learned it all in 45 minutes. That's what makes it
a 2-parter.
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Capaldi's acting was terrible. He was in and out of Scot's every other
minute. No wonder
Tennant advised him against keeping his native accent. He knew this was
going to happen
and Capladi couldn't handle it.
In and out of Scot's? No idea what that means. He speaks English with a
Scottish accent. Don't see what the problem is.
All Britishers speak weirdly. Some more unintelligble than others. I don't know
the difference between what Capaldi does and what the farmer in Hot Fuzz did.
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New title sequence... when is it coming?
What makes you think there's going to be a new title sequence? Maybe next
series. Assuming there will be a next series
That is the question. Assuming there will be a next series. The way this one is going there might not be. 3.7 million for Under the Lake. If England were still in the Rugby World Cup that would have fallen to below 3 million next week due to it being the second part of a two parter. Maybe because of that Doctor Who will be let off but a week later sees the return of the X-Factor to Saturday and given the first 4 episodes inalienably to attract many viewers people will deicide to abandon it completely, because if you're not already hooked by the season premier you're not going to be interested in watching any episodes further in when you've missed so much already.

Look what happened the last time drastic changes were made to the title sequence. Tom Baker lost 4 to 5 million viewers. Before that a new arrangement for the theme music and titles had to be dumped and the opening credits of every episode of Jon Pertwee's last series had to be re-edited to put back the previous music and titles because the new ones would have been a disaster. So in order to save the rest of this series maybe Moffat should learn the lessons of the past and get rid of those stupid clocks and bring back the old titles.

Stephen Moffat's choice of Peter Capaldi to play the 12th Doctor was a disaster in the making. Look what happened the last time they cast an actor who had already appeared in the series to play the Doctor? Look what happened when they chose to play the 6th Doctor being nasty to his companion and deliberately putting her life in danger to serve his own ends? The series was almost cancelled and put on hiatus with Colin Baker. And Moffat has done not just one of these things but both with the same actor. Does he have a death wish? It never worked in 1985 and it was never going to work today. Not only that look what happened where they had an actor playing the Doctor with an annoying Scottish accent. The series was finally cancelled. But this time not only did Moffat chose to follow in the footsteps of Colin Baker but also those of Sylvester McCoy combined. It was suicide.

Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length (read hour long) specials.

The least Moffat can do is dump the stupid fan wank of a title sequence along with it's stupid cogwheels and clock and bring back the old one use by Matt Smith, them maybe people will recognise the series as Doctor Who and not Comedy Who or Fan-Wank Who.

Another of Moffat's moronic mistakes was in moved the series from the Spring to the Autumn. Maybe he was misled by the BBC that it would still go out some time between between 5:45 and 7:15 as it did before but it was obvious that the BBC would never run Strictly Come Dancing head to head against the X-Factor as originally planned, so Doctor Who would have to be placed in a much later slot and would no longer reach a family audience. And yet Moffat still wrote the Series 9 opener like a pantomime. Oh dear I've actually used the "P" word!
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Capaldi's acting was terrible. He was in and out of Scot's every other
minute. No wonder
Tennant advised him against keeping his native accent. He knew this was
going to happen
and Capladi couldn't handle it.
In and out of Scot's? No idea what that means. He speaks English with a
Scottish accent. Don't see what the problem is.
He was going in and out of Scot's dialect.
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Post by Agamemnon
On top of the idiotic psychic paper which was totally pointless as this was
a UNIT operation,
the sonic sunglasses have no developed the ability to create holograms in
order to service the
plot. Ridiculous.
Wearable tech. No dafter than the sonic screwdriver.
Totally moronic and stupidic writing more like. It's like having your protagonist locked in a prison cell and suddenly a hacksaw blade in their pocked and sawing away the iron bars to make their escape, but 100 times worse. If the Doctor needed to project a hologram of Clara then he should have been show searching for a holographic projector on the base and setting it up, not using some sort of panacea that cures all ills.
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Post by Agamemnon
9/10 for entertainment. Let down by the stupid interpretor gimmick, Capaldi
going in and out
of his stupid Scottish accent willy nilly and the fact that it turns out
that it's a two parter. Had
it been just a single part story I would have given it 10.
I like 2 parters.
I like them two but they are completely inappropriate for today viewing. Either people will wait until both parts are shown and watch the recordings of both of them back to back or only the core audience will watch the second part because people randomly tuning in to the second part will have missed the first. As I said before two parters should be made as single 90 minute episodes instead.
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I didn't think his accent was stupid, and I didn't think
it varied.
It was all over the place. Watch The Witch's Familiar were he does the same thing. One moment he was playing it Tom Baker, then mad Scot's then ordinary Capaldi.
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78/100 for writing. I would have given it 86 had it been resolved in just a
single episode but the
fact that after 45 minutes we've learned absolutely nothing and it's pure
fantasy which we have
to endure 45 minutes more off has caused me to lower my score. Had the
story been more
substantial and we'd actually learned something I would have given it
higher marks.
You're not meant to have learned it all in 45 minutes. That's what makes it
a 2-parter.
It's not a problem of learning it all. The viewer didn't learn anything. That's the problem. Mysterious writing that isn't explained. Some sort of signal from Orion or something like that which makes no seance. No reason given for one of the prods from an alien space ship turning up at a sunken church. No reason given for the space ship either, and finally the Doctor becoming a so-called ghost.

If you're going to write a story in two parts then at least solve part of the mystery and give the audience something they fully understand.

It just looks to me that episode 1 is nothing more than a wasted episode and you might as well have not bothered with it because the real story is in episode 2. That would explain the abysmal viewing figures.
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2015-10-04 19:42:17 UTC
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Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length (read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star Trek in the late 1960s.
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2015-10-04 20:53:36 UTC
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Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length (read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star Trek in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
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2015-10-04 22:12:53 UTC
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Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
(read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star Trek
in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
Have you been on the prune juice again?
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2015-10-04 22:33:23 UTC
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Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
(read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star Trek
in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
Have you been on the prune juice again?
The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
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2015-10-05 16:16:38 UTC
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Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
(read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star Trek
in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
Have you been on the prune juice again?
The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
Which Tory would?
The Doctor
2015-10-05 21:18:58 UTC
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Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
(read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star Trek
in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
Have you been on the prune juice again?
The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
Which Tory would?
The current culture secretary.
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2015-10-05 21:37:14 UTC
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Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
(read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star Trek
in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
Have you been on the prune juice again?
The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
Which Tory would?
The current culture secretary.
Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but around the
world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
quality."

Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
BBC in whole."
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2015-10-05 21:44:03 UTC
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Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
(read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star Trek
in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
Have you been on the prune juice again?
The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
Which Tory would?
The current culture secretary.
Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but around the
world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
quality."
Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
BBC in whole."
Do you trust the Tories?
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2015-10-05 22:12:17 UTC
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Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
(read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star Trek
in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
Have you been on the prune juice again?
The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
Which Tory would?
The current culture secretary.
Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but around the
world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
quality."
Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
BBC in whole."
Do you trust the Tories?
No more or less than I trust politicians from any other party.
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2015-11-01 23:16:29 UTC
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¡>>>>>> On 2015-10-04, TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
¡>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 10:12:33 AM UTC-7, Agamemnon wrote:
¡>>>>>>>
¡>>>>>>>> Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
¡>>>>>>>> returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
¡>>>>>>>> (read hour long) specials.
¡>>>>>>>
¡>>>>>>> This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
¡>>>>>>> campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star
¡>>>>>>> Trek
¡>>>>>>> in the late 1960s.
¡>>>>>>
¡>>>>>> This is what you get for voting Tory.
¡>>>>>
¡>>>>>Have you been on the prune juice again?
¡>>>>>
¡>>>>>
¡>>>>
¡>>>> The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
¡>>>
¡>>>Which Tory would?
¡>>>
¡>>>
¡>>
¡>> The current culture secretary.
¡>
¡>Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
¡>wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
¡>Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but around the
¡>world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
¡>quality."
¡>
¡>Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
¡>BBC in whole."
¡>
¡>
¡
¡Do you trust the Tories?

From his perspective wanting it to live on and survive would be private sector survival (Conservative Ideal: via Corprorate Welfare, Libertarian ideal: on it's
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¡>
¡>>>
¡>>>>>
¡>>>>>>>
¡>>>>>>>> Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
¡>>>>>>>> returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
¡>>>>>>>> (read hour long) specials.
¡>>>>>>>
¡>>>>>>> This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
¡>>>>>>> campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star
¡>>>>>>> Trek
¡>>>>>>> in the late 1960s.
¡>>>>>>
¡>>>>>> This is what you get for voting Tory.
¡>>>>>
¡>>>>>Have you been on the prune juice again?
¡>>>>>
¡>>>>>
¡>>>>
¡>>>> The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
¡>>>
¡>>>Which Tory would?
¡>>>
¡>>>
¡>>
¡>> The current culture secretary.
¡>
¡>Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
¡>wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
¡>Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but around the
¡>world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
¡>quality."
¡>
¡>Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
¡>BBC in whole."
¡>
¡>
¡
¡Do you trust the Tories?
From his perspective wanting it to live on and survive would be private sector survival (Conservative Ideal: via Corprorate Welfare, Libertarian ideal: on it's
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And it does not really work.
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¡>On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 21:44:03 +0000 (UTC), in rec.arts.drwho ***@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
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¡>¡In article <F3CQx.54699$***@fx19.am4>,
¡>¡Stephen Wilson <***@ntlworld.com> wrote:
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¡>¡>"The Doctor" <***@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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¡>¡>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 10:12:33 AM UTC-7, Agamemnon wrote:
¡>¡>>>>>>>
¡>¡>>>>>>>> Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
¡>¡>>>>>>>> returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
¡>¡>>>>>>>> (read hour long) specials.
¡>¡>>>>>>>
¡>¡>>>>>>> This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
¡>¡>>>>>>> campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star
¡>¡>>>>>>> Trek
¡>¡>>>>>>> in the late 1960s.
¡>¡>>>>>>
¡>¡>>>>>> This is what you get for voting Tory.
¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>>>>>Have you been on the prune juice again?
¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>>>>
¡>¡>>>> The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>>>Which Tory would?
¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>>
¡>¡>> The current culture secretary.
¡>¡>
¡>¡>Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
¡>¡>wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
¡>¡>Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but around the
¡>¡>world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
¡>¡>quality."
¡>¡>
¡>¡>Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
¡>¡>BBC in whole."
¡>¡>
¡>¡>
¡>¡
¡>¡Do you trust the Tories?
¡>
¡>From his perspective wanting it to live on and survive would be private sector survival (Conservative Ideal: via Corprorate Welfare, Libertarian ideal: on it's
¡>own).
¡>
¡>
¡
¡And it does not really work.
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Without Corporate Welfare and art grants it does. With, it might as well be this way.
Although I suppose the Con way would at least lower administrative costs, course Union rules
can often ruin that.
Now a days if Patrick Magoohan would have to have a writing team even know he wrote the Prisoner
himself due to the Union Conglomeration's rules?
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¡>¡>
¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>>>>>>>
¡>¡>>>>>>>> Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
¡>¡>>>>>>>> returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
¡>¡>>>>>>>> (read hour long) specials.
¡>¡>>>>>>>
¡>¡>>>>>>> This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
¡>¡>>>>>>> campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star
¡>¡>>>>>>> Trek
¡>¡>>>>>>> in the late 1960s.
¡>¡>>>>>>
¡>¡>>>>>> This is what you get for voting Tory.
¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>>>>>Have you been on the prune juice again?
¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>>>>
¡>¡>>>> The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>>>Which Tory would?
¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>>
¡>¡>> The current culture secretary.
¡>¡>
¡>¡>Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
¡>¡>wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
¡>¡>Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but around the
¡>¡>world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
¡>¡>quality."
¡>¡>
¡>¡>Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
¡>¡>BBC in whole."
¡>¡>
¡>¡>
¡>¡
¡>¡Do you trust the Tories?
¡>
¡>From his perspective wanting it to live on and survive would be private sector survival (Conservative Ideal: via Corprorate Welfare, Libertarian ideal: on it's
¡>own).
¡>
¡>
¡
¡And it does not really work.
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Without Corporate Welfare and art grants it does. With, it might as well be this way.
Although I suppose the Con way would at least lower administrative costs, course Union rules
can often ruin that.
Now a days if Patrick Magoohan would have to have a writing team even know he wrote the Prisoner
himself due to the Union Conglomeration's rules?
Does Bombardier come to mind?
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¡>¡>¡>> In article <vnxQx.24743$***@fx09.am4>,
¡>¡>¡>> Stephen Wilson <***@ntlworld.com> wrote:
¡>¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>"The Doctor" <***@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
¡>¡>¡>>>news:mus9fj$s8k$***@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca...
¡>¡>¡>>>> In article <fvhQx.50016$***@fx10.am4>,
¡>¡>¡>>>> Stephen Wilson <***@ntlworld.com> wrote:
¡>¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>>"The Doctor" <***@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
¡>¡>¡>>>>>news:***@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca...
¡>¡>¡>>>>>> On 2015-10-04, TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 10:12:33 AM UTC-7, Agamemnon wrote:
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>>> Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>>> returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>>> (read hour long) specials.
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>> This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>> campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>> Trek
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>> in the late 1960s.
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>>> This is what you get for voting Tory.
¡>¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>>Have you been on the prune juice again?
¡>¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>> The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
¡>¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>Which Tory would?
¡>¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>¡>>
¡>¡>¡>> The current culture secretary.
¡>¡>¡>
¡>¡>¡>Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
¡>¡>¡>wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
¡>¡>¡>Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but around the
¡>¡>¡>world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
¡>¡>¡>quality."
¡>¡>¡>
¡>¡>¡>Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
¡>¡>¡>BBC in whole."
¡>¡>¡>
¡>¡>¡>
¡>¡>¡
¡>¡>¡Do you trust the Tories?
¡>¡>
¡>¡>From his perspective wanting it to live on and survive would be private sector survival (Conservative Ideal: via Corprorate Welfare, Libertarian ideal: on it's
¡>¡>own).
¡>¡>
¡>¡>
¡>¡
¡>¡And it does not really work.
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¡>Without Corporate Welfare and art grants it does. With, it might as well be this way.
¡>Although I suppose the Con way would at least lower administrative costs, course Union rules
¡>can often ruin that.
¡>Now a days if Patrick Magoohan would have to have a writing team even know he wrote the Prisoner
¡>himself due to the Union Conglomeration's rules?
¡>
¡>
¡>
¡
¡Does Bombardier come to mind?
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¡Lest we forget 11 Nov 2015

This?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/bombardier-porter-toronto-island-cseries-1.3317865

Clear example of Government intrusion.
The Doctor
2015-11-16 01:29:06 UTC
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¡>¡>
¡>¡>¡>
¡>¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>>> Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>>> returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>>> (read hour long) specials.
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>> This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>> campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>> Trek
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>> in the late 1960s.
¡>¡>¡>>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>>> This is what you get for voting Tory.
¡>¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>>Have you been on the prune juice again?
¡>¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>> The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
¡>¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>Which Tory would?
¡>¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>¡>>>
¡>¡>¡>>
¡>¡>¡>> The current culture secretary.
¡>¡>¡>
¡>¡>¡>Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
¡>¡>¡>wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
¡>¡>¡>Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but around the
¡>¡>¡>world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
¡>¡>¡>quality."
¡>¡>¡>
¡>¡>¡>Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
¡>¡>¡>BBC in whole."
¡>¡>¡>
¡>¡>¡>
¡>¡>¡
¡>¡>¡Do you trust the Tories?
¡>¡>
¡>¡>From his perspective wanting it to live on and survive would be private sector survival (Conservative Ideal: via Corprorate Welfare, Libertarian ideal: on it's
¡>¡>own).
¡>¡>
¡>¡>
¡>¡
¡>¡And it does not really work.
¡>¡--
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¡>¡http://www.fullyfollow.me/rootnl2k Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism
¡>¡If you believe everything you read, better not read. -Japanese proverb
¡>
¡>Without Corporate Welfare and art grants it does. With, it might as well be this way.
¡>Although I suppose the Con way would at least lower administrative costs, course Union rules
¡>can often ruin that.
¡>Now a days if Patrick Magoohan would have to have a writing team even know he wrote the Prisoner
¡>himself due to the Union Conglomeration's rules?
¡>
¡>
¡>
¡
¡Does Bombardier come to mind?
¡--
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¡Lest we forget 11 Nov 2015
This?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/bombardier-porter-toronto-island-cseries-1.3317865
Clear example of Government intrusion.
You got the idea.
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Agamemnon
2015-10-05 21:44:10 UTC
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Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
(read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star Trek
in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
Have you been on the prune juice again?
The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
Which Tory would?
The current culture secretary.
Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but around the
world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
quality."
Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
BBC in whole."
The Tories want to axe the BBC so as to reduce competition for their private commercial television paymasters.
The Doctor
2015-10-05 21:44:53 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
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Post by Agamemnon
Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
(read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star Trek
in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
Have you been on the prune juice again?
The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
Which Tory would?
The current culture secretary.
Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but around the
world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
quality."
Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
BBC in whole."
The Tories want to axe the BBC so as to reduce competition for their private commercial television paymasters.
Never trust a Tory.
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Time for Stephen to move on on Oct 19 2015!!
Stephen Wilson
2015-10-05 22:20:30 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by TB
Post by Agamemnon
Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
(read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save
Star
Trek
in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
Have you been on the prune juice again?
The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
Which Tory would?
The current culture secretary.
Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but around the
world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
quality."
Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
BBC in whole."
The Tories want to axe the BBC so as to reduce competition for their
private commercial television paymasters.
Could you perhaps cite a private television company that is currently
funding the Tories?

Just out of interest, between 2010 and 2013 the Labour party received over
£60m in donations (the biggest donation coming from Unite), while the Tories
received under £45m (with their largest donation coming from JCB Research).
Agamemnon
2015-10-05 22:39:46 UTC
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Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
(read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save
Star
Trek
in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
Have you been on the prune juice again?
The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
Which Tory would?
The current culture secretary.
Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but around the
world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
quality."
Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
BBC in whole."
The Tories want to axe the BBC so as to reduce competition for their
private commercial television paymasters.
Could you perhaps cite a private television company that is currently
funding the Tories?
Once such and such a Tory minister retires you will find him or her
acting as a consultant for one or more of these companies or on their
board of directors.
Post by Stephen Wilson
Just out of interest, between 2010 and 2013 the Labour party received over
£60m in donations (the biggest donation coming from Unite), while the Tories
received under £45m (with their largest donation coming from JCB Research).
It all goes to prove that whereas Labour's main doners are ordinary
working people the Tories main doners are the super rich and big business.
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2015-10-06 00:21:48 UTC
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2015-10-06 04:13:28 UTC
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Whenever someone was staring at those figures on the wall (which looked
to me a lot like the numbers 14, 41, 14, and 31), the camera would switch
to a partial view of a humanoid face, with the eyes emphasized. Was
there a face behind the figures?
The eye shown was in each case the eye of the observer and the symbols were
shown reversed, in light form, on the surface of the eye. This was meant as
a visual cue that the message was being burned into the memory of the
observer.
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Stephen Wilson
2015-10-06 17:10:39 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
(read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save
Star
Trek
in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
Have you been on the prune juice again?
The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
Which Tory would?
The current culture secretary.
Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British
Broadcasting
Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but
around
the
world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
quality."
Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
BBC in whole."
The Tories want to axe the BBC so as to reduce competition for their
private commercial television paymasters.
Could you perhaps cite a private television company that is currently
funding the Tories?
Once such and such a Tory minister retires you will find him or her acting
as a consultant for one or more of these companies or on their board of
directors.
And you won't find Labour ministers doing exactly the same?

A 20 minute speech for a world hunger conference. Tony Blair's cut-down
price - just £330,000.
Post by Stephen Wilson
Just out of interest, between 2010 and 2013 the Labour party received over
£60m in donations (the biggest donation coming from Unite), while the Tories
received under £45m (with their largest donation coming from JCB Research).
It all goes to prove that whereas Labour's main doners are ordinary
working people the Tories main doners are the super rich and big business.
Not particularly. What it proves is that the unions own the Labour party.
The unions are as corrupt as it's possible to get. And they don't care about
"ordinary working people", they only care about themselves.
Agamemnon
2015-10-06 17:31:11 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not
returning in it's present format but as a few one off feature length
(read hour long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save
Star
Trek
in the late 1960s.
This is what you get for voting Tory.
Have you been on the prune juice again?
The Tory would like to axe the BBC in whole .
Which Tory would?
The current culture secretary.
Not according to the BBC itself. The BBC says the current Culture Secretary
wants the corporation to thrive. In his words, "The British Broadcasting
Corporation is cherished and admired not only in this country but
around
the
world," he said. "At its best, the BBC sets international standards of
quality."
Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who "would like to axe the
BBC in whole."
The Tories want to axe the BBC so as to reduce competition for their
private commercial television paymasters.
Could you perhaps cite a private television company that is currently
funding the Tories?
Once such and such a Tory minister retires you will find him or her acting
as a consultant for one or more of these companies or on their board of
directors.
And you won't find Labour ministers doing exactly the same?
A 20 minute speech for a world hunger conference. Tony Blair's cut-down
price - just £330,000.
You'd expect that from Tory Blair. Taking the food out of people's mouths.
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Post by Stephen Wilson
Just out of interest, between 2010 and 2013 the Labour party received over
£60m in donations (the biggest donation coming from Unite), while the Tories
received under £45m (with their largest donation coming from JCB Research).
It all goes to prove that whereas Labour's main doners are ordinary
working people the Tories main doners are the super rich and big business.
Not particularly. What it proves is that the unions own the Labour party.
The unions are as corrupt as it's possible to get. And they don't care about
"ordinary working people", they only care about themselves.
Anyone can join a union and the leader is elected by as system of one
person one vote. The same democratic system does not apply for the
cooperate sponsors of the Troy partly. It's only money that talks in
their case.
Stephen Wilson
2015-10-04 21:41:06 UTC
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Now the BBC is openly talking of cancellation or the series not returning
in it's present format but as a few one off feature length (read hour
long) specials.
This means that we need to start a "Save Doctor Who" letter writing
campaign along the lines of the Bjo Trimble campaign that save Star Trek
in the late 1960s.
Feel free if that 's what you want to do. Count me out.
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