"Andrew M" <***@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> On 2014-11-08 22:22:16 +0000, Agamemnon said:
>> New title sequence... Don't you think it looks tired?
>> The Cybermen become Ironmen, the Master does a Mary Poppins and the
>> Doctor turns into James Bond.
>> As usual the story got totally over inflated, with the cemeteries on the
>> entire planet being taken over by Cybermen, (what about the
> There are no physical remains with cremation. That's why Missy put it
> about that the dead feel the pain of cremation. Didn't you work that out?
Really. What about the pain of embalming fluid?
Most of the bodies in the cemetery would have been so long in the ground
that they would have completely rotted away. If the Master could make
Cybermen out of compost then why not out of ash?
>> and everyone not knowing what Cybermen are despite the fact that last
>> time the entire planet was taken over by them (and the Daleks too) they
>> appeared on everyone's doorstep.
>> So Danny proved himself to be a complete idiot like almost everyone here
>> was saying after all. Given the chance to come back from the dead he
>> chose to give it instead to some boy he didn't even know
> You mean, apart from the fact that he shot him?
He still didn't know the boy and nor did the viewer and they shouldn't be
expected to care one iota for him. He was nothing more than collateral
damage. What about all the other people he shot dead. Why doesn't he give
his life up for them?
>> who he killed by accident and who could have gone on to become a
>> terrorist himself.
> Why on Earth would you make such an assumption? I hope that's not a whiff
> of racism I detect.
It's a whiff of realism. Even Moffat agrees with that view since he had both
the Master and the Doctor knocked out by a dart by UNIT for the same reason.
They didn't know if either would turn out to be friend or foe so they
couldn't take any chances.
>> What a complete moron. Didn't he care anything about Clara? What about
>> all the other people he killed deliberately who were just doing their
>> job, don't they have families and loved ones as well?
> Maybe they did. But he could only send one of them back and that was the
> choice he made. And surely the "only doing the job" thing is the point. If
> they were "only doing their job", they at least had a choice. The boy he
> killed did not.
The boy was collateral damage and his death was no different to the deaths
of the other people that Danny must have killed on the enemy side. Why
doesn't Danny have any remorse for them? He must have been told by his
superior offices to go into the villages and kill anything that moved
because it was full of terrorists and the aim was to rout them all out. If
the boy was there then it is the fault of the terrorist that he was killed
for using him as a human shield. Either that or he was there willingly and
sympathised with the terrorist. Obviously Moffat doesn't want to go into
that type of discussion so leaves the viewer no justified reason to support
Danny's decision despite Danny saving the whole of humanity, which should be
seen as an act of redemption and him allegedly being in love with Clara.
Clearly he didn't care all that much for her having decided to rob her of
being with him again.
>> I kept thinking that Clara would tell him that she was pregnant but she
>> said nothing. Could that have brought him back? Is this the last we'll
>> see of both of them now? Who will replace Clara and why did the Doctor
>> lie about Gallifrey? To get rid of her?
> I thought that was utterly clear. He believed Danny had returned and
> wanted Clara to assume that he, The Doctor, would be fine without her.
Not convincing. He didn't care much for Danny being with Clara before so why
now and why doesn't he ask to see Danny to thank him for saving the earth?
>> Don't think the Master's dead. The disintegration beam he/she/it/they
>> used on his/her/its/their own victims was orange whereas there was no
>> beam that came from the device when the Doctor used it and the Master
>> disintegrated into a shower of blue particles instead. Emergency
> I thought it was the Lethbridge-Stewart cyberman that killed her.
> Certainly the beam came from his direction.
Didn't look like a beam projected from in front of the Master to me.
>> Don't think bringing the Brigadier back as a Cyberman was done in good
>> taste, but at least Moffat didn't turn back time again. I wonder how many
>> of his own deceased relatives he imagines as Cybermen as well? It would
>> have been better if the Doctor had gone after Kate Stewart and used his
>> cape to fly with while in the air and bring about a soft landing.
> He has a cape? I thought the Brigadier/Cyberman was great.
I think it was bad taste. What's he going to do now as the last Cyberman?
>> Seemed the whole thing was originally written for Matt Smith again. Will
>> we get stuff written specifically for Capaldi next year?
>> Liked the mention that when the Master was PM he wasn't the worst the
>> country has had recently. Obviously a reference to Margaret Thatcher
>> which I predicted in one of my replies concerning last week's episode.
>> As for the Christmas special... Moffat's take on Alien and The Thing from
>> Another World (which was already done in The Seeds of Doom by Phillip
>> Hinchcliffe) it seems.