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S10E07 The Pyramid at the End of the World
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Agamemnon
2017-05-27 22:28:37 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).

It seems I have influence.

Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.

Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.

1) Heterosexual people, the majority of viewers, cannot identify with
homosexual characters chatting each other up.

2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.

The entire scene was repulsive due to both the above. How can you
possibly watch a long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations
with a short fat bulldog? That's what it looked like to me.

We soon find out that a pyramid has appeared overnight out of nowhere
and situated itself in the middle of a war zone between Russia, China
and the US.

The UN is called in and this is when the story starts becoming ridiculous.

The Doctor, an alien being World President is a stupid enough idea,
(what was wrong with him being scientific advisor) but the UN Secretary
General making the decision to surrender the entire planet to a bunch of
psychopathic aliens without direct authorisation and a vote by the
Security Council is totally unbelievable. As is the idea of the Generals
representing Russia, China and the US doing exactly the same thing.
Military generals do not have the power to either surrender or initiate
war. Earth is not a military dictatorship. The Commander in Chief of all
US forces in the US President, not the UN, nor the UN SG and not even
the Doctor. The same applies to Russian and Chinese forces in respect of
their president and Communist party chairman. What happened to the chain
of command?

It gets worse still when the tin dog who plays no part in this episode
other than to follow the Doctor around sniffing his scent is treated by
the corpse aliens as if she were his deputy with full authorisation to
make decisions on his behalf. And she's not even realised that he's blind.

How much more totally and utterly moronic can it get? The moronic tin
dog decides that she will surrender the entire planet into slavery
because of love for the Doctor? Like she doesn't give a fuck for anyone
else on the planet, not even her so-called girlfriend but she only cares
about the Doctor? And the aliens accept her surrender. The UN SG did it
out of cowardice much like Jeremy Corbyn would do if elected so the
zapped him, the Generals did it out of strategy so they zapped them too,
but Bill did it out of PURE SELFISHNESS!!!!! Not for the Earth, just for
herself and that is what love is. Read Plato's Republic and more to the
point Plato's Phaedrus which follows on from The Republic is you don't
believe me.

This is irrational moronic sentimentalist bollocks at its very worst.

How stupid do the writers think the audience are?

Did I mention the dwarf and the drunk?

Once again just like the military are portrayed as morons so are
scientists. Like they didn't go to university and study for their
degrees because they were intelligent. It seems that as far as Moffat is
concerned scientists are also irresponsible drunks as well.

Like you're put in charge of creating a deadly genetically modified
virus that can destroy all life on the planet and you don't realise the
responsibility of your position so come into work drunk and your
colleague doesn't report you to management?

So the drunken scientist puts the decimal point in the wrong place? Like
there isn't any software or check sheet to spot this. Who was his
colleague there for?

For some reason Nardole is infected by some sort of cloud of smoke and
becomes unconscious inside the TARDIS but the Doctor is not. If this is
the deadly virus then why hasn't it infected everyone in the building
and outside it, especially since none of the scientist were wearing
protective suits until after it escaped.

Where was the air lock between the lab and the office area which seems
to be situated at the HQ of the Greater London Authority. If the virus
get into the TARDIS then it would have contaminated the entire building
since it was parked on the other side of the protective door.

Why would anyone put a combination lock on the door inside the
laboratory part of the building. The idea of locks is to stop people
getting into a restricted area not to stop them getting out especially
in an emergency. Health and Safety would never have allowed this lab to
operate.

More stupidity comes when the Doctor manages to guess his way to the
threat facing Earth. Why would the aliens be watching the lab on
security cameras when they seem to be omniscient and omnipotent by
restoring the Doctor's eyesight by using their magical powers.

If the Doctor isn't able to set the combination on a simple lock when
how come he was able to rewire and reprogramme the safety systems of a
nuclear reactor and the space suits people were wearing two weeks ago?

8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian dogs and being
distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
3/10 for writing which relies on the stupidity of the characters and
fortuitous guesses to work, with characterisation of the tin dog and
Polynesia totally lacking.

Why make the aliens into psychopaths playing some sort of stupid game?

What do they want to enslave humanity for?

What are they going to get out of it if all life on Earth becomes extinct?

Story continues next week with Missy shooting the Doctor after he goes
over to the side of the corpse aliens, or something like that.
The Doctor
2017-05-27 22:30:35 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
1) Heterosexual people, the majority of viewers, cannot identify with
homosexual characters chatting each other up.
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
The entire scene was repulsive due to both the above. How can you
possibly watch a long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations
with a short fat bulldog? That's what it looked like to me.
We soon find out that a pyramid has appeared overnight out of nowhere
and situated itself in the middle of a war zone between Russia, China
and the US.
The UN is called in and this is when the story starts becoming ridiculous.
The Doctor, an alien being World President is a stupid enough idea,
(what was wrong with him being scientific advisor) but the UN Secretary
General making the decision to surrender the entire planet to a bunch of
psychopathic aliens without direct authorisation and a vote by the
Security Council is totally unbelievable. As is the idea of the Generals
representing Russia, China and the US doing exactly the same thing.
Military generals do not have the power to either surrender or initiate
war. Earth is not a military dictatorship. The Commander in Chief of all
US forces in the US President, not the UN, nor the UN SG and not even
the Doctor. The same applies to Russian and Chinese forces in respect of
their president and Communist party chairman. What happened to the chain
of command?
It gets worse still when the tin dog who plays no part in this episode
other than to follow the Doctor around sniffing his scent is treated by
the corpse aliens as if she were his deputy with full authorisation to
make decisions on his behalf. And she's not even realised that he's blind.
How much more totally and utterly moronic can it get? The moronic tin
dog decides that she will surrender the entire planet into slavery
because of love for the Doctor? Like she doesn't give a fuck for anyone
else on the planet, not even her so-called girlfriend but she only cares
about the Doctor? And the aliens accept her surrender. The UN SG did it
out of cowardice much like Jeremy Corbyn would do if elected so the
zapped him, the Generals did it out of strategy so they zapped them too,
but Bill did it out of PURE SELFISHNESS!!!!! Not for the Earth, just for
herself and that is what love is. Read Plato's Republic and more to the
point Plato's Phaedrus which follows on from The Republic is you don't
believe me.
This is irrational moronic sentimentalist bollocks at its very worst.
How stupid do the writers think the audience are?
Did I mention the dwarf and the drunk?
Once again just like the military are portrayed as morons so are
scientists. Like they didn't go to university and study for their
degrees because they were intelligent. It seems that as far as Moffat is
concerned scientists are also irresponsible drunks as well.
Like you're put in charge of creating a deadly genetically modified
virus that can destroy all life on the planet and you don't realise the
responsibility of your position so come into work drunk and your
colleague doesn't report you to management?
So the drunken scientist puts the decimal point in the wrong place? Like
there isn't any software or check sheet to spot this. Who was his
colleague there for?
For some reason Nardole is infected by some sort of cloud of smoke and
becomes unconscious inside the TARDIS but the Doctor is not. If this is
the deadly virus then why hasn't it infected everyone in the building
and outside it, especially since none of the scientist were wearing
protective suits until after it escaped.
Where was the air lock between the lab and the office area which seems
to be situated at the HQ of the Greater London Authority. If the virus
get into the TARDIS then it would have contaminated the entire building
since it was parked on the other side of the protective door.
Why would anyone put a combination lock on the door inside the
laboratory part of the building. The idea of locks is to stop people
getting into a restricted area not to stop them getting out especially
in an emergency. Health and Safety would never have allowed this lab to
operate.
More stupidity comes when the Doctor manages to guess his way to the
threat facing Earth. Why would the aliens be watching the lab on
security cameras when they seem to be omniscient and omnipotent by
restoring the Doctor's eyesight by using their magical powers.
If the Doctor isn't able to set the combination on a simple lock when
how come he was able to rewire and reprogramme the safety systems of a
nuclear reactor and the space suits people were wearing two weeks ago?
8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian dogs and being
distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
3/10 for writing which relies on the stupidity of the characters and
fortuitous guesses to work, with characterisation of the tin dog and
Polynesia totally lacking.
Why make the aliens into psychopaths playing some sort of stupid game?
What do they want to enslave humanity for?
What are they going to get out of it if all life on Earth becomes extinct?
Story continues next week with Missy shooting the Doctor after he goes
over to the side of the corpse aliens, or something like that.
Back to your old self, eh?
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Agamemnon
2017-05-27 22:49:17 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
1) Heterosexual people, the majority of viewers, cannot identify with
homosexual characters chatting each other up.
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
The entire scene was repulsive due to both the above. How can you
possibly watch a long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations
with a short fat bulldog? That's what it looked like to me.
We soon find out that a pyramid has appeared overnight out of nowhere
and situated itself in the middle of a war zone between Russia, China
and the US.
The UN is called in and this is when the story starts becoming ridiculous.
The Doctor, an alien being World President is a stupid enough idea,
(what was wrong with him being scientific advisor) but the UN Secretary
General making the decision to surrender the entire planet to a bunch of
psychopathic aliens without direct authorisation and a vote by the
Security Council is totally unbelievable. As is the idea of the Generals
representing Russia, China and the US doing exactly the same thing.
Military generals do not have the power to either surrender or initiate
war. Earth is not a military dictatorship. The Commander in Chief of all
US forces in the US President, not the UN, nor the UN SG and not even
the Doctor. The same applies to Russian and Chinese forces in respect of
their president and Communist party chairman. What happened to the chain
of command?
It gets worse still when the tin dog who plays no part in this episode
other than to follow the Doctor around sniffing his scent is treated by
the corpse aliens as if she were his deputy with full authorisation to
make decisions on his behalf. And she's not even realised that he's blind.
How much more totally and utterly moronic can it get? The moronic tin
dog decides that she will surrender the entire planet into slavery
because of love for the Doctor? Like she doesn't give a fuck for anyone
else on the planet, not even her so-called girlfriend but she only cares
about the Doctor? And the aliens accept her surrender. The UN SG did it
out of cowardice much like Jeremy Corbyn would do if elected so the
zapped him, the Generals did it out of strategy so they zapped them too,
but Bill did it out of PURE SELFISHNESS!!!!! Not for the Earth, just for
herself and that is what love is. Read Plato's Republic and more to the
point Plato's Phaedrus which follows on from The Republic is you don't
believe me.
This is irrational moronic sentimentalist bollocks at its very worst.
How stupid do the writers think the audience are?
Did I mention the dwarf and the drunk?
Once again just like the military are portrayed as morons so are
scientists. Like they didn't go to university and study for their
degrees because they were intelligent. It seems that as far as Moffat is
concerned scientists are also irresponsible drunks as well.
Like you're put in charge of creating a deadly genetically modified
virus that can destroy all life on the planet and you don't realise the
responsibility of your position so come into work drunk and your
colleague doesn't report you to management?
So the drunken scientist puts the decimal point in the wrong place? Like
there isn't any software or check sheet to spot this. Who was his
colleague there for?
For some reason Nardole is infected by some sort of cloud of smoke and
becomes unconscious inside the TARDIS but the Doctor is not. If this is
the deadly virus then why hasn't it infected everyone in the building
and outside it, especially since none of the scientist were wearing
protective suits until after it escaped.
Where was the air lock between the lab and the office area which seems
to be situated at the HQ of the Greater London Authority. If the virus
get into the TARDIS then it would have contaminated the entire building
since it was parked on the other side of the protective door.
Why would anyone put a combination lock on the door inside the
laboratory part of the building. The idea of locks is to stop people
getting into a restricted area not to stop them getting out especially
in an emergency. Health and Safety would never have allowed this lab to
operate.
More stupidity comes when the Doctor manages to guess his way to the
threat facing Earth. Why would the aliens be watching the lab on
security cameras when they seem to be omniscient and omnipotent by
restoring the Doctor's eyesight by using their magical powers.
If the Doctor isn't able to set the combination on a simple lock when
how come he was able to rewire and reprogramme the safety systems of a
nuclear reactor and the space suits people were wearing two weeks ago?
8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian dogs and being
distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
3/10 for writing which relies on the stupidity of the characters and
fortuitous guesses to work, with characterisation of the tin dog and
Polynesia totally lacking.
Why make the aliens into psychopaths playing some sort of stupid game?
What do they want to enslave humanity for?
What are they going to get out of it if all life on Earth becomes extinct?
Story continues next week with Missy shooting the Doctor after he goes
over to the side of the corpse aliens, or something like that.
Back to your old self, eh?
I have not changed at all. It's the writing which has changed from
science fiction to sentimentalist codswallop.
Andrew M
2017-05-27 22:51:50 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop
again after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
1) Heterosexual people, the majority of viewers, cannot identify with
homosexual characters chatting each other up.
No. You can't. I'm heterosexual and I can identify with pretty much all
those awkward moments
Post by Agamemnon
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
Oh give me strength. Of course they can. There are millions of people I
don't find attractive. Most of them are men. That doesn't mean I can't
identify with them. I can identify with lots of male characters. I
don't find them attractive
Post by Agamemnon
The entire scene was repulsive due to both the above. How can you
possibly watch a long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations
with a short fat bulldog? That's what it looked like to me.
That may be your problem
Post by Agamemnon
We soon find out that a pyramid has appeared overnight out of nowhere
and situated itself in the middle of a war zone between Russia, China
and the US.
The UN is called in and this is when the story starts becoming ridiculous.
The Doctor, an alien being World President is a stupid enough idea,
(what was wrong with him being scientific advisor) but the UN Secretary
General making the decision to surrender the entire planet to a bunch
of psychopathic aliens without direct authorisation and a vote by the
Security Council is totally unbelievable. As is the idea of the
Generals representing Russia, China and the US doing exactly the same
thing. Military generals do not have the power to either surrender or
initiate war. Earth is not a military dictatorship. The Commander in
Chief of all US forces in the US President, not the UN, nor the UN SG
and not even the Doctor. The same applies to Russian and Chinese forces
in respect of their president and Communist party chairman. What
happened to the chain of command?
It gets worse still when the tin dog who plays no part in this episode
other than to follow the Doctor around sniffing his scent is treated by
the corpse aliens as if she were his deputy with full authorisation to
make decisions on his behalf. And she's not even realised that he's blind.
I do agree that treating Bill as if she had authorisation to enslave
the planet is a stretch. But do remember that The Doctor is officially
president of the planet
Post by Agamemnon
How much more totally and utterly moronic can it get? The moronic tin
dog decides that she will surrender the entire planet into slavery
because of love for the Doctor? Like she doesn't give a fuck for anyone
else on the planet, not even her so-called girlfriend but she only
cares about the Doctor? And the aliens accept her surrender. The UN SG
did it out of cowardice much like Jeremy Corbyn would do if elected so
the zapped him, the Generals did it out of strategy so they zapped them
too, but Bill did it out of PURE SELFISHNESS!!!!! Not for the Earth,
just for herself and that is what love is. Read Plato's Republic and
more to the point Plato's Phaedrus which follows on from The Republic
is you don't believe me.
This is irrational moronic sentimentalist bollocks at its very worst.
How stupid do the writers think the audience are?
Did I mention the dwarf and the drunk?
Once again just like the military are portrayed as morons so are
scientists. Like they didn't go to university and study for their
degrees because they were intelligent. It seems that as far as Moffat
is concerned scientists are also irresponsible drunks as well.
Sometimes they are. People are people. Going to university and getting
a sceince degree doesn't change that. Trust me on that.
Post by Agamemnon
Like you're put in charge of creating a deadly genetically modified
virus that can destroy all life on the planet and you don't realise the
responsibility of your position so come into work drunk and your
colleague doesn't report you to management?
Not drunk. Hungover
Post by Agamemnon
So the drunken scientist puts the decimal point in the wrong place?
Like there isn't any software or check sheet to spot this. Who was his
colleague there for?
It's been known. Let me introduce you to scientific support for the
iron content in spinach
Post by Agamemnon
For some reason Nardole is infected by some sort of cloud of smoke and
becomes unconscious inside the TARDIS but the Doctor is not. If this is
the deadly virus then why hasn't it infected everyone in the building
and outside it, especially since none of the scientist were wearing
protective suits until after it escaped.
Errr... the big metal doors with seals and locks?
Post by Agamemnon
Where was the air lock between the lab and the office area which seems
to be situated at the HQ of the Greater London Authority.
WHAT??? In Yorkshire???
Post by Agamemnon
If the virus get into the TARDIS then it would have contaminated the
entire building since it was parked on the other side of the protective
door.
Why would anyone put a combination lock on the door inside the
laboratory part of the building. The idea of locks is to stop people
getting into a restricted area not to stop them getting out especially
in an emergency. Health and Safety would never have allowed this lab to
operate.
To be fair, that's fair point. Possibly a equirement for people to
think, rather than flee in panic
Post by Agamemnon
More stupidity comes when the Doctor manages to guess his way to the
threat facing Earth. Why would the aliens be watching the lab on
security cameras when they seem to be omniscient and omnipotent by
restoring the Doctor's eyesight by using their magical powers.
Their powers aren't magical. They're technological. They use security
cameras because they are there. How they restore the Docor's eyesight?
Well... maybe we'll see
Post by Agamemnon
If the Doctor isn't able to set the combination on a simple lock when
how come he was able to rewire and reprogramme the safety systems of a
nuclear reactor and the space suits people were wearing two weeks ago?
Fair point
Post by Agamemnon
8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian dogs and being
distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
3/10 for writing which relies on the stupidity of the characters and
fortuitous guesses to work, with characterisation of the tin dog and
Polynesia totally lacking.
Why make the aliens into psychopaths playing some sort of stupid game?
What do they want to enslave humanity for?
What are they going to get out of it if all life on Earth becomes extinct?
Story continues next week with Missy shooting the Doctor after he goes
over to the side of the corpse aliens, or something like that.
Pudentame
2017-05-28 00:55:43 UTC
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<snip all of the homophobia, racism, sexism, xenophobia & misogamy>

There's no need to argue about it, it's bullshit.

If you feel that way, why even bother watching the show.

What I did notice - and part of it may have been deliberate - is The
Doctor calls the American Officer "Colonel".

He's not, he's a 4-star General. Maybe it's because The Doctor was
still blind when he called him that or maybe it's the antipathy to the
military The Doctor displayed toward Danny Pink when he found out he
had been a soldier.

Also, the general's unit insignia was wrong. He's wearing the "Army
of One" patch, which was the logo for the 2001 - 2006 Army recruiting
campaign slogan.

Loading Image...

The "Army of One" logo was never used as a "Distinctive Unit
Insignia".

American forces in the fictional country of "Turmezistan" would fall
under the headquarters of United States Central Command (CENTCOM).
Regular soldiers would wear the "DUI" of their unit of assignment ...

Loading Image...

If they were assigned to HQ CENTCOM, they'd have worn the CENTCOM
"DUI". A 4-star General would be the ranking officer in "Trumezistan"
commanding all American forces assigned there.

Loading Image...

The next episode is entitled "The Lie of the Land".

The military would more likely speak of the "lay of the land", meaning
the arrangement of the features within an area of operation ... the
Terrain, Weather, Enemy Forces, Friendly Forces and Indigenous
Population.

I suspect that in this case "Lie" refers to deception & falsehood.
Appearences are not what they seem.
The Doctor
2017-05-28 00:57:28 UTC
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Post by Pudentame
<snip all of the homophobia, racism, sexism, xenophobia & misogamy>
There's no need to argue about it, it's bull.
If you feel that way, why even bother watching the show.
What I did notice - and part of it may have been deliberate - is The
Doctor calls the American Officer "Colonel".
He's not, he's a 4-star General. Maybe it's because The Doctor was
still blind when he called him that or maybe it's the antipathy to the
military The Doctor displayed toward Danny Pink when he found out he
had been a soldier.
Also, the general's unit insignia was wrong. He's wearing the "Army
of One" patch, which was the logo for the 2001 - 2006 Army recruiting
campaign slogan.
http://cdn3.volusion.com/hrpkj.vfbak/v/vspfiles/photos/25026-2.jpg?1391612120
The "Army of One" logo was never used as a "Distinctive Unit
Insignia".
American forces in the fictional country of "Turmezistan" would fall
under the headquarters of United States Central Command (CENTCOM).
Regular soldiers would wear the "DUI" of their unit of assignment ...
http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/13/87/79/34/desert10.jpg
If they were assigned to HQ CENTCOM, they'd have worn the CENTCOM
"DUI". A 4-star General would be the ranking officer in "Trumezistan"
commanding all American forces assigned there.
http://www.militaryuniformsupply.com/files/products/c/centcom-us-central-command.jpg
The next episode is entitled "The Lie of the Land".
The military would more likely speak of the "lay of the land", meaning
the arrangement of the features within an area of operation ... the
Terrain, Weather, Enemy Forces, Friendly Forces and Indigenous
Population.
I suspect that in this case "Lie" refers to deception & falsehood.
Appearences are not what they seem.
Looks like we have to go to IMDB to sort this issue out.
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Agamemnon
2017-05-28 02:42:11 UTC
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Post by Pudentame
<snip all of the homophobia, racism, sexism, xenophobia & misogamy>
Cut the PC loony crap.

It is not homophobic to find two unattractive women trying to chat each
other up repulsive.

It is not sexist, racist, xenophobic or misogynous to find two women
that look like dogs unattractive.
Post by Pudentame
There's no need to argue about it, it's bullshit.
It's not bulshit. Its scientific biological fact.
Post by Pudentame
If you feel that way, why even bother watching the show.
If the producers want people to keep watching then pick attractive actors.
Post by Pudentame
What I did notice - and part of it may have been deliberate - is The
Doctor calls the American Officer "Colonel".
Sounder like General to me. Maybe I will listen again.
Post by Pudentame
He's not, he's a 4-star General. Maybe it's because The Doctor was
still blind when he called him that or maybe it's the antipathy to
the military The Doctor displayed toward Danny Pink when he found out
he had been a soldier.
Also, the general's unit insignia was wrong. He's wearing the "Army
of One" patch, which was the logo for the 2001 - 2006 Army
recruiting campaign slogan.
http://cdn3.volusion.com/hrpkj.vfbak/v/vspfiles/photos/25026-2.jpg?1391612120
The "Army of One" logo was never used as a "Distinctive Unit
Insignia".
American forces in the fictional country of "Turmezistan" would fall
under the headquarters of United States Central Command (CENTCOM).
Regular soldiers would wear the "DUI" of their unit of assignment ...
http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/13/87/79/34/desert10.jpg
If they were assigned to HQ CENTCOM, they'd have worn the CENTCOM
"DUI". A 4-star General would be the ranking officer in
"Trumezistan" commanding all American forces assigned there.
http://www.militaryuniformsupply.com/files/products/c/centcom-us-central-command.jpg
The next episode is entitled "The Lie of the Land".
The military would more likely speak of the "lay of the land",
meaning the arrangement of the features within an area of operation
... the Terrain, Weather, Enemy Forces, Friendly Forces and
Indigenous Population.
I suspect that in this case "Lie" refers to deception & falsehood.
Appearences are not what they seem.
The Doctor
2017-05-28 12:21:35 UTC
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<snip all of the homophobia, racism, sexism, xenophobia & misogamy>
Cut the PC loony crap.
It is not homophobic to find two unattractive women trying to chat each
other up repulsive.
It is not sexist, racist, xenophobic or misogynous to find two women
that look like dogs unattractive.
Post by Pudentame
There's no need to argue about it, it's bullshit.
It's not bulshit. Its scientific biological fact.
Post by Pudentame
If you feel that way, why even bother watching the show.
If the producers want people to keep watching then pick attractive actors.
Post by Pudentame
What I did notice - and part of it may have been deliberate - is The
Doctor calls the American Officer "Colonel".
Sounder like General to me. Maybe I will listen again.
Post by Pudentame
He's not, he's a 4-star General. Maybe it's because The Doctor was
still blind when he called him that or maybe it's the antipathy to
the military The Doctor displayed toward Danny Pink when he found out
he had been a soldier.
Also, the general's unit insignia was wrong. He's wearing the "Army
of One" patch, which was the logo for the 2001 - 2006 Army
recruiting campaign slogan.
http://cdn3.volusion.com/hrpkj.vfbak/v/vspfiles/photos/25026-2.jpg?1391612120
The "Army of One" logo was never used as a "Distinctive Unit
Insignia".
American forces in the fictional country of "Turmezistan" would fall
under the headquarters of United States Central Command (CENTCOM).
Regular soldiers would wear the "DUI" of their unit of assignment ...
http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/13/87/79/34/desert10.jpg
If they were assigned to HQ CENTCOM, they'd have worn the CENTCOM
"DUI". A 4-star General would be the ranking officer in
"Trumezistan" commanding all American forces assigned there.
http://www.militaryuniformsupply.com/files/products/c/centcom-us-central-command.jpg
Post by Pudentame
The next episode is entitled "The Lie of the Land".
The military would more likely speak of the "lay of the land",
meaning the arrangement of the features within an area of operation
... the Terrain, Weather, Enemy Forces, Friendly Forces and
Indigenous Population.
I suspect that in this case "Lie" refers to deception & falsehood.
Appearences are not what they seem.
Lie could refer to the "reality".
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2017-05-28 03:37:29 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop
again after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
1) Heterosexual people, the majority of viewers, cannot identify with
homosexual characters chatting each other up.
No. You can't. I'm heterosexual and I can identify with pretty much all
those awkward moments
Nope, not with that pair. I could identify with Rodney and Cassandra in
Only Fools and Horses and Buck and Wilma in the original Buck Rogers
newspaper strip but not these characters because both are unattractive
lesbians.
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Post by Agamemnon
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
Oh give me strength. Of course they can. There are millions of people I
No they can not.
Post by Andrew M
don't find attractive. Most of them are men. That doesn't mean I can't
Unfortunately these dogs are so unattractive that even Peter Capladi is
looks attractive in comparison. Nardole on the other hand resembles a
squeaky pig.
Post by Andrew M
identify with them. I can identify with lots of male characters. I don't
find them attractive
You can identify with male characters because you're a man. I could
never identify with Rose's mum because she behaved like a slut but I
could identify with Hattie Jacques in the Carry on Films and Sykes
because she didn't and was heterosexual.
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Post by Agamemnon
The entire scene was repulsive due to both the above. How can you
possibly watch a long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations
with a short fat bulldog? That's what it looked like to me.
That may be your problem
Not my problem. The problem is one of the writers and producers breaking
all the rules of good writing and good television.
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Post by Agamemnon
We soon find out that a pyramid has appeared overnight out of nowhere
and situated itself in the middle of a war zone between Russia, China
and the US.
The UN is called in and this is when the story starts becoming ridiculous.
The Doctor, an alien being World President is a stupid enough idea,
(what was wrong with him being scientific advisor) but the UN
Secretary General making the decision to surrender the entire planet
to a bunch of psychopathic aliens without direct authorisation and a
vote by the Security Council is totally unbelievable. As is the idea
of the Generals representing Russia, China and the US doing exactly
the same thing. Military generals do not have the power to either
surrender or initiate war. Earth is not a military dictatorship. The
Commander in Chief of all US forces in the US President, not the UN,
nor the UN SG and not even the Doctor. The same applies to Russian and
Chinese forces in respect of their president and Communist party
chairman. What happened to the chain of command?
It gets worse still when the tin dog who plays no part in this episode
other than to follow the Doctor around sniffing his scent is treated
by the corpse aliens as if she were his deputy with full authorisation
to make decisions on his behalf. And she's not even realised that he's
blind.
I do agree that treating Bill as if she had authorisation to enslave the
planet is a stretch. But do remember that The Doctor is officially
president of the planet
That doesn't give Melania Trump the right to press the red button
because she's the US president's wife or Ivanka the right because she's
his daughter and advisor who he always travels with.
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How much more totally and utterly moronic can it get? The moronic tin
dog decides that she will surrender the entire planet into slavery
because of love for the Doctor? Like she doesn't give a fuck for
anyone else on the planet, not even her so-called girlfriend but she
only cares about the Doctor? And the aliens accept her surrender. The
UN SG did it out of cowardice much like Jeremy Corbyn would do if
elected so the zapped him, the Generals did it out of strategy so they
zapped them too, but Bill did it out of PURE SELFISHNESS!!!!! Not for
the Earth, just for herself and that is what love is. Read Plato's
Republic and more to the point Plato's Phaedrus which follows on from
The Republic is you don't believe me.
This is irrational moronic sentimentalist bollocks at its very worst.
How stupid do the writers think the audience are?
Did I mention the dwarf and the drunk?
Once again just like the military are portrayed as morons so are
scientists. Like they didn't go to university and study for their
degrees because they were intelligent. It seems that as far as Moffat
is concerned scientists are also irresponsible drunks as well.
Sometimes they are. People are people. Going to university and getting a
sceince degree doesn't change that. Trust me on that.
These people are working on a sensitive bio-engineering project. They
would have never passed the job interview thanks to them being totally
irresponsible.
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Like you're put in charge of creating a deadly genetically modified
virus that can destroy all life on the planet and you don't realise
the responsibility of your position so come into work drunk and your
colleague doesn't report you to management?
Not drunk. Hungover
If he's suffering from a hangover then he should have called in sick and
if the dwarfs glasses were broken and she couldn't see without them why
didn't she have a spare pair or get some for the pound shop to read
with? She obviously couldn't do her job so she also should have called
in sick.
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Post by Agamemnon
So the drunken scientist puts the decimal point in the wrong place?
Like there isn't any software or check sheet to spot this. Who was his
colleague there for?
It's been known. Let me introduce you to scientific support for the iron
content in spinach
So you've decided to inject 800ccs of come chemical into the mix instead
of 80. 800ccs is not going to fit into a syringe that was designed to
only hold 100 and nobody would use a 1000cc syringe to measure out 80 in
an automated system because both of expense and safety.
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For some reason Nardole is infected by some sort of cloud of smoke and
becomes unconscious inside the TARDIS but the Doctor is not. If this
is the deadly virus then why hasn't it infected everyone in the
building and outside it, especially since none of the scientist were
wearing protective suits until after it escaped.
Errr... the big metal doors with seals and locks?
But the dwarf opened the door of the lab after it had been infected and
since there was no air lock or gas extraction system to remove the
virus/bio-organism it would have left the lab and killed her when he
left and anyone else outside as well.

On top of that blowing up the lab would have resulted in spreading the
virus/bio-organism over an even greater distance after the building
collapse since you can't be sure the heat will reach the
virus/bio-organism to destroy it before it's blown out of range to a
safe distance.
Post by Andrew M
Post by Agamemnon
Where was the air lock between the lab and the office area which seems
to be situated at the HQ of the Greater London Authority.
WHAT??? In Yorkshire???
Exactly.
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If the virus get into the TARDIS then it would have contaminated the
entire building since it was parked on the other side of the
protective door.
Why would anyone put a combination lock on the door inside the
laboratory part of the building. The idea of locks is to stop people
getting into a restricted area not to stop them getting out especially
in an emergency. Health and Safety would never have allowed this lab
to operate.
To be fair, that's fair point. Possibly a equirement for people to
think, rather than flee in panic
Post by Agamemnon
More stupidity comes when the Doctor manages to guess his way to the
threat facing Earth. Why would the aliens be watching the lab on
security cameras when they seem to be omniscient and omnipotent by
restoring the Doctor's eyesight by using their magical powers.
Their powers aren't magical.
Oh yes they are.
Post by Andrew M
They're technological. They use security
cameras because they are there. How they restore the Docor's eyesight?
Well... maybe we'll see
Why would they need to spy on security cameras if they can restore the
Doctor's eyesight with they are thousands of miles away, which even
Nardole couldn't do in the TARDIS only a few centimetres away?

They've been given given magical powers which are not even consistent.
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Post by Agamemnon
If the Doctor isn't able to set the combination on a simple lock when
how come he was able to rewire and reprogramme the safety systems of a
nuclear reactor and the space suits people were wearing two weeks ago?
Fair point
Post by Agamemnon
8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian dogs and being
distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
3/10 for writing which relies on the stupidity of the characters and
fortuitous guesses to work, with characterisation of the tin dog and
Polynesia totally lacking.
Why make the aliens into psychopaths playing some sort of stupid game?
What do they want to enslave humanity for?
What are they going to get out of it if all life on Earth becomes extinct?
Story continues next week with Missy shooting the Doctor after he goes
over to the side of the corpse aliens, or something like that.
Tim Bruening
2017-05-28 03:07:49 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my animal file?
Post by Agamemnon
1) Heterosexual people, the majority of viewers, cannot identify with
homosexual characters chatting each other up.
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
I found them attractive!
Post by Agamemnon
We soon find out that a pyramid has appeared overnight out of nowhere
and situated itself in the middle of a war zone between Russia, China
and the US.
In a former USSR Republic.
Post by Agamemnon
The UN is called in and this is when the story starts becoming ridiculous.
The Doctor, an alien being World President is a stupid enough idea,
(what was wrong with him being scientific advisor) but the UN Secretary
General making the decision to surrender the entire planet to a bunch of
psychopathic aliens without direct authorisation and a vote by the
Security Council is totally unbelievable. As is the idea of the Generals
representing Russia, China and the US doing exactly the same thing.
Military generals do not have the power to either surrender or initiate
war. Earth is not a military dictatorship. The Commander in Chief of all
US forces in the US President, not the UN, nor the UN SG and not even
the Doctor. The same applies to Russian and Chinese forces in respect of
their president and Communist party chairman. What happened to the chain
of command?
In addition, the Doctor, being Earth President, would be the only one with the authority to surrender, not the UN Secretary General!
Agamemnon
2017-05-28 03:42:07 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my animal file?
Did I?
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
1) Heterosexual people, the majority of viewers, cannot identify with
homosexual characters chatting each other up.
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
I found them attractive!
The long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations with a short
fat bulldog? What about the squeaky pig? Did you find him attractive too?
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
We soon find out that a pyramid has appeared overnight out of nowhere
and situated itself in the middle of a war zone between Russia, China
and the US.
In a former USSR Republic.
Post by Agamemnon
The UN is called in and this is when the story starts becoming ridiculous.
The Doctor, an alien being World President is a stupid enough idea,
(what was wrong with him being scientific advisor) but the UN Secretary
General making the decision to surrender the entire planet to a bunch of
psychopathic aliens without direct authorisation and a vote by the
Security Council is totally unbelievable. As is the idea of the Generals
representing Russia, China and the US doing exactly the same thing.
Military generals do not have the power to either surrender or initiate
war. Earth is not a military dictatorship. The Commander in Chief of all
US forces in the US President, not the UN, nor the UN SG and not even
the Doctor. The same applies to Russian and Chinese forces in respect of
their president and Communist party chairman. What happened to the chain
of command?
In addition, the Doctor, being Earth President, would be the only one with the authority to surrender, not the UN Secretary General!
Exactly. Why were these aliens behaving like psychopathic morons.

It should have been clear to them that no one would love them so what is
this sentimentalist chap supposed to be about?
Tim Bruening
2017-05-28 04:28:18 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my animal file?
Did I?
You mentioned two dogs!
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
I found them attractive!
The long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations with a short
fat bulldog? What about the squeaky pig? Did you find him attractive too?
Who/what was the pig that was trying to flirt with the dogs?

I shall have to add in your pig, plus the tin dog you mentioned later.
Agamemnon
2017-05-28 05:15:58 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my animal file?
Did I?
You mentioned two dogs!
Yes, two ugly ones.
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
I found them attractive!
The long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations with a short
fat bulldog? What about the squeaky pig? Did you find him attractive too?
Who/what was the pig that was trying to flirt with the dogs?
Where did I say the pig was trying to flirt with the dogs?
Post by Tim Bruening
I shall have to add in your pig, plus the tin dog you mentioned later.
The tin dog was also the basset hound, so it's the same dog.
Tim Bruening
2017-05-28 09:29:18 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my animal file?
Did I?
You mentioned two dogs!
Yes, two ugly ones.
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
I found them attractive!
The long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations with a short
fat bulldog? What about the squeaky pig? Did you find him attractive too?
Who/what was the pig that was trying to flirt with the dogs?
Where did I say the pig was trying to flirt with the dogs?
You asked if I found the pig attractive, as in sexually attractive, which to me meant that you thought that the pig was behaving in a sexual manner towards the two dogs.
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Post by Tim Bruening
I shall have to add in your pig, plus the tin dog you mentioned later.
The tin dog was also the basset hound, so it's the same dog.
So the score is two dogs and a pig.
The Last Doctor
2017-05-28 09:42:45 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my animal file?
Did I?
You mentioned two dogs!
Yes, two ugly ones.
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
I found them attractive!
The long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations with a short
fat bulldog? What about the squeaky pig? Did you find him attractive too?
Who/what was the pig that was trying to flirt with the dogs?
Where did I say the pig was trying to flirt with the dogs?
You asked if I found the pig attractive, as in sexually attractive, which to me meant that you thought that the pig was behaving in a sexual manner towards the two dogs.
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
I shall have to add in your pig, plus the tin dog you mentioned later.
The tin dog was also the basset hound, so it's the same dog.
So the score is two dogs and a pig.
No, it's none of the above, Tim. Don't feed Agamemnon's bestiality fixation.

He refers to Bill and her girlfriend as "dogs" because he apparently
doesn't find them attractive (because they aren't men, it would seem).
He refers to Nardole as a "pig" because he doesn't find him attractive.
Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted only to
hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
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Agamemnon
2017-05-28 14:24:52 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist
codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my animal file?
Did I?
You mentioned two dogs!
Yes, two ugly ones.
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
I found them attractive!
The long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations with a short
fat bulldog? What about the squeaky pig? Did you find him
attractive too?
Who/what was the pig that was trying to flirt with the dogs?
Where did I say the pig was trying to flirt with the dogs?
You asked if I found the pig attractive, as in sexually attractive,
which to me meant that you thought that the pig was behaving in a
sexual manner towards the two dogs.
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
I shall have to add in your pig, plus the tin dog you mentioned later.
The tin dog was also the basset hound, so it's the same dog.
So the score is two dogs and a pig.
No, it's none of the above, Tim. Don't feed Agamemnon's bestiality fixation.
It wasn't me that decided to show two dogs courting.
Post by The Last Doctor
He refers to Bill and her girlfriend as "dogs" because he apparently
doesn't find them attractive (because they aren't men, it would seem).
In the case of these two dogs even the three male generals were more
attractive than they are. So there's no way you can call me homophobic.
Post by The Last Doctor
He refers to Nardole as a "pig" because he doesn't find him attractive.
He's all pink, fat and sequely. Why should anyone find him attractive?
Post by The Last Doctor
Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted only to
hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
The Coca Cola Kid
2017-05-28 15:21:44 UTC
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It wasn't me that decided to show two dogs courting.
It was you who decided to perceive it as two dogs courting, and describe to
the world a mental image that only appeared in your mind.
Post by Agamemnon
In the case of these two dogs even the three male generals were more
attractive than they are.
So you are saying that you can imagine them in a threesome. Okay...
Post by Agamemnon
So there's no way you can call me homophobic.
Homophobic literally means to fear and loathe what you perceive to be the
same as what you are. For example, an ugly, unattractive dog.
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Post by The Last Doctor
He refers to Nardole as a "pig" because he doesn't find him attractive.
He's all pink,
In other words, White?
Post by Agamemnon
fat and sequely.
Sequely? That is not even a word.
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Why should anyone find him attractive?
Different strokes for different folks, and all that. It is not like he is
morbidly obese. Some people even consider physical traits to be less
important than other traits.
I think that you trying (very ineptly) to say that it is important
for television shows to regularly have some 'eye candy' to keep a certain
segment of the population interested. There is some truth to that, but it
is too bad that you do not realise that most people today do not, in fact,
share your limited and outdated fetish. Grow up and get over it. Apart
from her raspy voice there is nothing really off-putting about Bill. The
bi-curious girl that she was dating (Penny) was not ugly by any sane
standard. And Erica the dwarf... yeah, we all know what you meant when you
said that you were 'distracted' by her, but you just do not want to admit
it. :-)
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Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted only to
hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Well aren't you a little PC snowflake.
Agamemnon
2017-05-28 21:32:28 UTC
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It wasn't me that decided to show two dogs courting.
It was you who decided to perceive it as two dogs courting, and describe
to the world a mental image that only appeared in your mind.
It's what appeared on screen. I don't want to see pictures of ugly
people courting. It's an offensive invasion of my privacy. The way to
not make it inoffensive is to make the viewer identify with the
protagonists which this episode failed to do because

1) Both of them are ugly. The usual thing they do in Hollywood is to
make the actors attractive to the viewers so they can identify with them
more readily.

2) Both of them are female, and male viewers will not identify with a
female protagonist unless they fancy her.

3) The bulldog comes from nowhere with no characterisation whatsoever.
Why should anyone give a stuff for her?

4) Even though the basset hound has already been on screen for 7
episodes, there has been no meaningful characterisation of her either.
All she does is follow the Doctor around like a moronic cardboard cut
out, just like almost every other character in this series who has been
characterised by their stupidity, unable to think for herself or do
anything independently.

Moffat has turned the Doctor into Superdaredevil so there's no point in
giving him a companion because he doesn't need one. Even Lois Lane and
Jimmy Sullivan could operate independently of Superman and help progess
the plot but it is clear the neither of the Doctor's current pets can.
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
Post by Agamemnon
In the case of these two dogs even the three male generals were more
attractive than they are.
So you are saying that you can imagine them in a threesome. Okay...
No. It is obvious that your mind is warped.
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
Post by Agamemnon
So there's no way you can call me homophobic.
Homophobic literally means to fear and loathe what you perceive to be
the same as what you are. For example, an ugly, unattractive dog.
More evidence of your deranged mind.
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Post by The Last Doctor
He refers to Nardole as a "pig" because he doesn't find him attractive.
He's all pink,
In other words, White?
No. Pink, like a pig.
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
Post by Agamemnon
fat and sequely.
Sequely? That is not even a word.
Squealy, like a pig.
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Post by Agamemnon
Why should anyone find him attractive?
Different strokes for different folks, and all that. It is not like he
is morbidly obese. Some people even consider physical traits to be less
important than other traits.
I think that you trying (very ineptly) to say that it is important
for television shows to regularly have some 'eye candy' to keep a
certain segment of the population interested. There is some truth to
that, but it is too bad that you do not realise that most people today
do not, in fact, share your limited and outdated fetish. Grow up and
Wrong. The majority of people share my views. The PC loonies that think
differently have ruined television and made it almost completely
unwatchable.
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
get over it. Apart from her raspy voice there is nothing really
off-putting about Bill.
She's a stupid, selfish, self centred moron, with little or no
characterisation whatsoever other than her being a moron, which is not
proper characterisation. She's nothing more than a cardboard cut out the
follows the Doctor around. She's a lesbian so there's no love interest
or justification for her to be around him. There's no one else on board
the TARDIS except Nardole so its not for him that she's a member of the
crew.

Moffat has broken every rule of good writing to inflict his warped PC
loony agenda on the viewer and destroyed the show's ratings in the
process. If you ever needed an example of bad writing and bad television
production this series of Doctor Who and the last series of Sherlock
come top of the list because they're chock full of irrational,
illogical, unscientific, sentimentalist codswallop.
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
The bi-curious girl that she was dating (Penny)
was not ugly by any sane standard.
Oh so there's a word for her then. That doesn't change the fact that she
still looks like a dog.

Why not pick an actress that looks like Jourdan Dunn, Joan Smalls, Naomi
Campbell or Nichelle Nichols?
Post by The Coca Cola Kid
And Erica the dwarf... yeah, we all
know what you meant when you said that you were 'distracted' by her, but
you just do not want to admit it. :-)
More evidence of your warped mind.
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Post by The Last Doctor
Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted only to
hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Well aren't you a little PC snowflake.
The Doctor
2017-05-28 22:10:01 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist
codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my animal file?
Did I?
You mentioned two dogs!
Yes, two ugly ones.
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
I found them attractive!
The long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations with a short
fat bulldog? What about the squeaky pig? Did you find him
attractive too?
Who/what was the pig that was trying to flirt with the dogs?
Where did I say the pig was trying to flirt with the dogs?
You asked if I found the pig attractive, as in sexually attractive,
which to me meant that you thought that the pig was behaving in a
sexual manner towards the two dogs.
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
I shall have to add in your pig, plus the tin dog you mentioned later.
The tin dog was also the basset hound, so it's the same dog.
So the score is two dogs and a pig.
No, it's none of the above, Tim. Don't feed Agamemnon's bestiality fixation.
It wasn't me that decided to show two dogs courting.
Post by The Last Doctor
He refers to Bill and her girlfriend as "dogs" because he apparently
doesn't find them attractive (because they aren't men, it would seem).
In the case of these two dogs even the three male generals were more
attractive than they are. So there's no way you can call me homophobic.
Post by The Last Doctor
He refers to Nardole as a "pig" because he doesn't find him attractive.
He's all pink, fat and sequely. Why should anyone find him attractive?
Post by The Last Doctor
Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted only to
hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
And an extremely stupid comment.
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2017-05-28 23:47:17 UTC
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Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my animal file?
Did I?
You mentioned two dogs!
Yes, two ugly ones.
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
I found them attractive!
The long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations with a short
fat bulldog? What about the squeaky pig? Did you find him attractive too?
Who/what was the pig that was trying to flirt with the dogs?
Where did I say the pig was trying to flirt with the dogs?
You asked if I found the pig attractive, as in sexually attractive,
which to me meant that you thought that the pig was behaving in a
sexual manner towards the two dogs.
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
I shall have to add in your pig, plus the tin dog you mentioned later.
The tin dog was also the basset hound, so it's the same dog.
So the score is two dogs and a pig.
No, it's none of the above, Tim. Don't feed Agamemnon's bestiality fixation.
It wasn't me that decided to show two dogs courting.
Post by The Last Doctor
He refers to Bill and her girlfriend as "dogs" because he apparently
doesn't find them attractive (because they aren't men, it would seem).
In the case of these two dogs even the three male generals were more
attractive than they are. So there's no way you can call me homophobic.
Post by The Last Doctor
He refers to Nardole as a "pig" because he doesn't find him attractive.
He's all pink, fat and sequely. Why should anyone find him attractive?
Post by The Last Doctor
Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted only to
hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Where? I didn't say that I minded that's the way you feel - so therefore,
not homophobic.

And I wasn't being racist - you know as well as I do that "Greek love" is a
traditional euphemism for male homosexuality, due to the enthusiasm for it
expressed in Ancient Greek literature. That's a simple fact, as anyone
versed in Greek culture can tell you (well, except for a handful of people
who try to deny it and lie about it as if it was the Holocaust, not just
the way of life at the time).
Post by The Doctor
And an extremely stupid comment.
In what way, Dave?
The Doctor
2017-05-28 23:58:59 UTC
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Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my animal file?
Did I?
You mentioned two dogs!
Yes, two ugly ones.
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Agamemnon
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
I found them attractive!
The long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations with a short
fat bulldog? What about the squeaky pig? Did you find him attractive too?
Who/what was the pig that was trying to flirt with the dogs?
Where did I say the pig was trying to flirt with the dogs?
You asked if I found the pig attractive, as in sexually attractive,
which to me meant that you thought that the pig was behaving in a
sexual manner towards the two dogs.
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Tim Bruening
I shall have to add in your pig, plus the tin dog you mentioned later.
The tin dog was also the basset hound, so it's the same dog.
So the score is two dogs and a pig.
No, it's none of the above, Tim. Don't feed Agamemnon's bestiality fixation.
It wasn't me that decided to show two dogs courting.
Post by The Last Doctor
He refers to Bill and her girlfriend as "dogs" because he apparently
doesn't find them attractive (because they aren't men, it would seem).
In the case of these two dogs even the three male generals were more
attractive than they are. So there's no way you can call me homophobic.
Post by The Last Doctor
He refers to Nardole as a "pig" because he doesn't find him attractive.
He's all pink, fat and sequely. Why should anyone find him attractive?
Post by The Last Doctor
Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted only to
hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Where? I didn't say that I minded that's the way you feel - so therefore,
not homophobic.
And I wasn't being racist - you know as well as I do that "Greek love" is a
traditional euphemism for male homosexuality, due to the enthusiasm for it
expressed in Ancient Greek literature. That's a simple fact, as anyone
versed in Greek culture can tell you (well, except for a handful of people
who try to deny it and lie about it as if it was the Holocaust, not just
the way of life at the time).
Post by The Doctor
And an extremely stupid comment.
In what way, Dave?
I would expect this from a Fawlty Towers idiot.
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2017-05-28 23:59:20 UTC
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On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 10:16:01 PM UTC-7, Agamemnon
Post by Agamemnon
On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 8:42:14 PM UTC-7, Agamemnon
Post by Agamemnon
On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-7,
Post by Agamemnon
So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness
copied my idea of a Pyramid full of alien invaders
under siege by the UN, and scientists involved in
genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes
The Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of
War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the
sentimentalist codswallop again after the series
high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode
confusing viewers with a "Previously..." section
which included footage that did not actually come
from last week's episode consisting of the two
dogs yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my
animal file?
Did I?
You mentioned two dogs!
Yes, two ugly ones.
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Agamemnon
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight
are not going to identify with two women that they
do not find attractive.
I found them attractive!
The long skinny basset hound attempting to have
relations with a short fat bulldog? What about the
squeaky pig? Did you find him attractive too?
Who/what was the pig that was trying to flirt with the
dogs?
Where did I say the pig was trying to flirt with the dogs?
You asked if I found the pig attractive, as in sexually
attractive, which to me meant that you thought that the pig
was behaving in a sexual manner towards the two dogs.
Post by Agamemnon
I shall have to add in your pig, plus the tin dog you
mentioned later.
The tin dog was also the basset hound, so it's the same
dog.
So the score is two dogs and a pig.
No, it's none of the above, Tim. Don't feed Agamemnon's
bestiality fixation.
It wasn't me that decided to show two dogs courting.
Post by The Last Doctor
He refers to Bill and her girlfriend as "dogs" because he
apparently doesn't find them attractive (because they aren't
men, it would seem).
In the case of these two dogs even the three male generals were
more attractive than they are. So there's no way you can call me
homophobic.
Post by The Last Doctor
He refers to Nardole as a "pig" because he doesn't find him
attractive.
He's all pink, fat and sequely. Why should anyone find him
attractive?
Post by The Last Doctor
Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted
only to hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Where? I didn't say that I minded that's the way you feel - so
therefore, not homophobic.
And I wasn't being racist - you know as well as I do that "Greek
It is racist because you are implying that because someone is Greek then
they are homosexual. It's like saying that because someone is Welsh then
they are into sheep.
Post by The Last Doctor
love" is a traditional euphemism for male homosexuality, due to the
enthusiasm for it expressed in Ancient Greek literature. That's a
Unfortunately for you Greek literature does not express any enthusiasm
for homosexuality. Plato's Symposium expresses the view that love which
does not evolve any kind of sex is the best love, ie. the love between a
man and another in the form of friendship as opposed to the love between
a man and a woman which is motivated by sex.
Post by The Last Doctor
simple fact, as anyone versed in Greek culture can tell you (well,
except for a handful of people who try to deny it and lie about it as
if it was the Holocaust, not just the way of life at the time).
It is obvious that you don't have a clue about Greek culture.
Post by The Last Doctor
Post by The Doctor
And an extremely stupid comment.
In what way, Dave?
In they way of it being extremely stupid given your previous argument.
The Last Doctor
2017-05-29 08:29:28 UTC
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Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted
only to hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Where? I didn't say that I minded that's the way you feel - so
therefore, not homophobic.
And I wasn't being racist - you know as well as I do that "Greek
It is racist because you are implying that because someone is Greek then
they are homosexual. It's like saying that because someone is Welsh then
they are into sheep.
Oh I wasn't trying to imply that all Greeks are homosexual! Just pointing
out that, by a process of elimination, you seemed to be attracted to hairy
men. And noting that homosexuality has traditionally been an accepted part
of Greek culture.

Making a factual observation isn't racist. For example if I was to say "Den
Falsename is black. His family traces back to Burundi", I wouldn't be being
racist. Many people of African descent are black, that's just a fact.

Racism there would lie in your treatment of a fact, not on its existence.
Post by Agamemnon
Unfortunately for you Greek literature does not express any enthusiasm
for homosexuality.
Ah. A "Greek love" denier. For some reason you seem embarrassed or ashamed
of your heritage. It's true that scholarly views on Greek customs have
changed - it's become clearer that the main focus was not pederasty, as was
once believed, but beauty.

http://www.livius.org/articles/concept/greek-homosexuality/
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And an extremely stupid comment.
In what way, Dave?
In they way of it being extremely stupid given your previous argument.
Do you think you're Dave now? I was asking him why he thought it was
stupid. Your inability to look at your own views impartially is a given.
Agamemnon
2017-05-29 09:39:25 UTC
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Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is
attracted only to hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage,
you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Where? I didn't say that I minded that's the way you feel - so
therefore, not homophobic.
And I wasn't being racist - you know as well as I do that "Greek
It is racist because you are implying that because someone is Greek
then they are homosexual. It's like saying that because someone is
Welsh then they are into sheep.
Oh I wasn't trying to imply that all Greeks are homosexual! Just
pointing out that, by a process of elimination, you seemed to be
attracted to hairy men. And noting that homosexuality has
traditionally been an accepted part of Greek culture.
Making a factual observation isn't racist. For example if I was to
say "Den Falsename is black. His family traces back to Burundi", I
wouldn't be being racist. Many people of African descent are black,
that's just a fact.
You were not making factual observations. You were implying that because
someone is Greek and you have read literature which refers to
homosexuality in ancient Greece then they must be homosexual, and that
is being racist.
Post by The Last Doctor
Racism there would lie in your treatment of a fact, not on its
existence.
Your so called "facts" are nothing more than racist stereotypes.
Post by The Last Doctor
Post by Agamemnon
Unfortunately for you Greek literature does not express any
enthusiasm for homosexuality.
Ah. A "Greek love" denier. For some reason you seem embarrassed or
ashamed of your heritage. It's true that scholarly views on Greek
customs have changed - it's become clearer that the main focus was
not pederasty, as was once believed, but beauty.
Unfortunately for you Plato's Socratic dialogues castigate
homosexuality, and the laws of most city states, especially those in
Asia-Minor forbade it. Aristophanes mocked public officials who were
gay, in his plays.
Post by The Last Doctor
http://www.livius.org/articles/concept/greek-homosexuality/
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Post by The Last Doctor
And an extremely stupid comment.
In what way, Dave?
In they way of it being extremely stupid given your previous
argument.
Do you think you're Dave now? I was asking him why he thought it was
stupid. Your inability to look at your own views impartially is a given.
My views are those of the moral majority not the extremist PC loony left.
solar penguin
2017-05-29 10:12:17 UTC
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Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted
only to hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Where? I didn't say that I minded that's the way you feel - so
therefore, not homophobic.
And I wasn't being racist - you know as well as I do that "Greek
It is racist because you are implying that because someone is Greek then
they are homosexual. It's like saying that because someone is Welsh then
they are into sheep.
Oh I wasn't trying to imply that all Greeks are homosexual! Just pointing
out that, by a process of elimination, you seemed to be attracted to hairy
men.
The trouble with a process elimination is that you're assuming Aggy must
be attracted to _someone_ and so you stopped when you eliminated all but
one.

As Aggy isn't attracted to hairy men either, we can eliminate that too,
revealing him for the closet asexual he really is.
Agamemnon
2017-05-29 10:21:40 UTC
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Post by The Last Doctor
Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted
only to hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Where? I didn't say that I minded that's the way you feel - so
therefore, not homophobic.
And I wasn't being racist - you know as well as I do that "Greek
It is racist because you are implying that because someone is Greek then
they are homosexual. It's like saying that because someone is Welsh then
they are into sheep.
Oh I wasn't trying to imply that all Greeks are homosexual! Just pointing
out that, by a process of elimination, you seemed to be attracted to hairy
men.
The trouble with a process elimination is that you're assuming Aggy must
be attracted to _someone_ and so you stopped when you eliminated all but
one.
As Aggy isn't attracted to hairy men either, we can eliminate that too,
revealing him for the closet asexual he really is.
You are projecting again you ignorant fool. I know full well that I am
attracted to women.
solar penguin
2017-05-29 10:34:51 UTC
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On Monday, 29 May 2017 09:29:31 UTC+1, The Mike M. maintained...
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Post by Agamemnon
Post by The Last Doctor
Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted
only to hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Where? I didn't say that I minded that's the way you feel - so
therefore, not homophobic.
And I wasn't being racist - you know as well as I do that "Greek
It is racist because you are implying that because someone is Greek then
they are homosexual. It's like saying that because someone is Welsh then
they are into sheep.
Oh I wasn't trying to imply that all Greeks are homosexual! Just pointing
out that, by a process of elimination, you seemed to be attracted to hairy
men.
The trouble with a process elimination is that you're assuming Aggy must
be attracted to _someone_ and so you stopped when you eliminated all but
one.
As Aggy isn't attracted to hairy men either, we can eliminate that too,
revealing him for the closet asexual he really is.
You are projecting again you ignorant fool.
You mean you _are_ attracted to hairy men!?!
Post by Agamemnon
I know full well that I am attracted to women.
Then why don't you act like you are? (Hint: Heterosexuals aren't
usually heterophobic!)
Agamemnon
2017-05-29 11:08:04 UTC
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On Monday, 29 May 2017 09:29:31 UTC+1, The Mike M. maintained...
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Post by The Last Doctor
Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted
only to hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Where? I didn't say that I minded that's the way you feel - so
therefore, not homophobic.
And I wasn't being racist - you know as well as I do that "Greek
It is racist because you are implying that because someone is Greek then
they are homosexual. It's like saying that because someone is Welsh then
they are into sheep.
Oh I wasn't trying to imply that all Greeks are homosexual! Just pointing
out that, by a process of elimination, you seemed to be attracted to hairy
men.
The trouble with a process elimination is that you're assuming Aggy must
be attracted to _someone_ and so you stopped when you eliminated all but
one.
As Aggy isn't attracted to hairy men either, we can eliminate that too,
revealing him for the closet asexual he really is.
You are projecting again you ignorant fool.
You mean you _are_ attracted to hairy men!?!
Post by Agamemnon
I know full well that I am attracted to women.
Then why don't you act like you are? (Hint: Heterosexuals aren't
usually heterophobic!)
You are totally insane!
solar penguin
2017-05-29 12:54:43 UTC
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On Monday, 29 May 2017 11:21:42 UTC+1, Aggy argued...
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Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted
only to hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Where? I didn't say that I minded that's the way you feel - so
therefore, not homophobic.
And I wasn't being racist - you know as well as I do that "Greek
It is racist because you are implying that because someone is Greek then
they are homosexual. It's like saying that because someone is Welsh then
they are into sheep.
Oh I wasn't trying to imply that all Greeks are homosexual! Just pointing
out that, by a process of elimination, you seemed to be attracted to hairy
men.
The trouble with a process elimination is that you're assuming Aggy must
be attracted to _someone_ and so you stopped when you eliminated all but
one.
As Aggy isn't attracted to hairy men either, we can eliminate that too,
revealing him for the closet asexual he really is.
You are projecting again you ignorant fool.
You mean you _are_ attracted to hairy men!?!
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I know full well that I am attracted to women.
Then why don't you act like you are? (Hint: Heterosexuals aren't
usually heterophobic!)
You are totally insane!
You mean heterosexuals __are_ usually heterophobic...!?!
The Doctor
2017-05-29 14:33:47 UTC
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On Monday, 29 May 2017 11:21:42 UTC+1, Aggy argued...
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On Monday, 29 May 2017 09:29:31 UTC+1, The Mike M. maintained...
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Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted
only to hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Where? I didn't say that I minded that's the way you feel - so
therefore, not homophobic.
And I wasn't being racist - you know as well as I do that "Greek
It is racist because you are implying that because someone is Greek then
they are homosexual. It's like saying that because someone is Welsh then
they are into sheep.
Oh I wasn't trying to imply that all Greeks are homosexual! Just pointing
out that, by a process of elimination, you seemed to be attracted to hairy
men.
The trouble with a process elimination is that you're assuming Aggy must
be attracted to _someone_ and so you stopped when you eliminated all but
one.
As Aggy isn't attracted to hairy men either, we can eliminate that too,
revealing him for the closet asexual he really is.
You are projecting again you ignorant fool.
You mean you _are_ attracted to hairy men!?!
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I know full well that I am attracted to women.
Then why don't you act like you are? (Hint: Heterosexuals aren't
usually heterophobic!)
You are totally insane!
Flame alert.
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2017-05-29 14:32:35 UTC
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Clearly, going by everything he writes, Agamemnon is attracted
only to hairy men. Not surprised. Greek heritage, you know.
That comment is both racist and homophobic.
Where? I didn't say that I minded that's the way you feel - so
therefore, not homophobic.
And I wasn't being racist - you know as well as I do that "Greek
It is racist because you are implying that because someone is Greek then
they are homosexual. It's like saying that because someone is Welsh then
they are into sheep.
Oh I wasn't trying to imply that all Greeks are homosexual! Just pointing
out that, by a process of elimination, you seemed to be attracted to hairy
men.
The trouble with a process elimination is that you're assuming Aggy must
be attracted to _someone_ and so you stopped when you eliminated all but
one.
As Aggy isn't attracted to hairy men either, we can eliminate that too,
revealing him for the closet asexual he really is.
You are projecting again you ignorant fool. I know full well that I am
attracted to women.
Same here.
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You are projecting again you ignorant fool. I know full well that I am
attracted to women.
Same here.
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2017-05-29 22:44:05 UTC
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You are projecting again you ignorant fool. I know full well that I am
attracted to women.
Same here.
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On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-7, Agamemnon
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my
idea of a Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the
UN, and scientists involved in genetic engineering, from my
AGA S11E05/06 episodes The Hounds from Hell (20 March
2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist
codswallop again after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode
confusing viewers with a "Previously..." section which
included footage that did not actually come from last
week's episode consisting of the two dogs yelping at each
other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my animal
file?
Did I?
You mentioned two dogs!
Yes, two ugly ones.
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2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not
going to identify with two women that they do not find
attractive.
I found them attractive!
The long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations with
a short fat bulldog? What about the squeaky pig? Did you find
him attractive too?
Who/what was the pig that was trying to flirt with the dogs?
Where did I say the pig was trying to flirt with the dogs?
You asked if I found the pig attractive, as in sexually attractive,
which to me meant that you thought that the pig was behaving in a
sexual manner towards the two dogs.
Why would the pig being attractive imply it behaving in a sexual manner
to anyone?

This is the problem with Moffat. There is no reason whatsoever to
portray any kind of sexuality in this show, especially between two ugly
lesbian dogs. Why can't the dogs just be ordinary friends.

Why does Moffat and before him RTD have to use the show to preach
homosexuality which most people find offensive. The BBC wouldn't dare
showing a woman's naked arse on Doctor Who so why a man's? Why don't
they have any respect for people's sensitiveness? Yet they edit material
out featuring the beheading of a robot and a reference to terrorism and
yet the offensive homosexual scenes, made totally repulsive by the two
characters looking like dogs are left in.

If the BBC wants to show homosexuality then do it on a show after the
watershed. It doesn't belong on a family show like Doctor Who. If they
want to do romance then do it properly, and do it between two attractive
heterosexuals. The way to do gay romance it the way I did it in my
stories for Series 11 not the offensive way Moffat is doing it.
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I shall have to add in your pig, plus the tin dog you mentioned later.
The tin dog was also the basset hound, so it's the same dog.
So the score is two dogs and a pig.
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2017-05-28 12:59:21 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my animal file?
Did I?
You mentioned two dogs!
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2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
I found them attractive!
The long skinny basset hound attempting to have relations with a short
fat bulldog? What about the squeaky pig? Did you find him attractive too?
Who/what was the pig that was trying to flirt with the dogs?
I shall have to add in your pig, plus the tin dog you mentioned later.
How does your logical processes work?
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2017-05-28 12:22:44 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
Ten minutes were wasted at the start of the episode confusing viewers
with a "Previously..." section which included footage that did not
actually come from last week's episode consisting of the two dogs
yelping at each other on some sort of a date.
You actually found some animals for me to add to my animal file?
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1) Heterosexual people, the majority of viewers, cannot identify with
homosexual characters chatting each other up.
2) The majority of viewers, whether gay or straight are not going to
identify with two women that they do not find attractive.
I found them attractive!
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We soon find out that a pyramid has appeared overnight out of nowhere
and situated itself in the middle of a war zone between Russia, China
and the US.
In a former USSR Republic.
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The UN is called in and this is when the story starts becoming ridiculous.
The Doctor, an alien being World President is a stupid enough idea,
(what was wrong with him being scientific advisor) but the UN Secretary
General making the decision to surrender the entire planet to a bunch of
psychopathic aliens without direct authorisation and a vote by the
Security Council is totally unbelievable. As is the idea of the Generals
representing Russia, China and the US doing exactly the same thing.
Military generals do not have the power to either surrender or initiate
war. Earth is not a military dictatorship. The Commander in Chief of all
US forces in the US President, not the UN, nor the UN SG and not even
the Doctor. The same applies to Russian and Chinese forces in respect of
their president and Communist party chairman. What happened to the chain
of command?
In addition, the Doctor, being Earth President, would be the only one
with the authority to surrender, not the UN Secretary General!
Situation normal.
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2017-05-28 09:11:22 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
LOL. Dream on.
Post by Agamemnon
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop again
after the series high of last week.
[Snip of bullshit no one with half a brain could agree with]
Post by Agamemnon
We soon find out that a pyramid has appeared overnight out of nowhere
and situated itself in the middle of a war zone between Russia, China
and the US.
The UN is called in and this is when the story starts becoming ridiculous.
The Doctor, an alien being World President is a stupid enough idea,
(what was wrong with him being scientific advisor) but the UN Secretary
General making the decision to surrender the entire planet to a bunch of
psychopathic aliens without direct authorisation and a vote by the
Security Council is totally unbelievable. As is the idea of the Generals
representing Russia, China and the US doing exactly the same thing.
Military generals do not have the power to either surrender or initiate
war. Earth is not a military dictatorship. The Commander in Chief of all
US forces in the US President, not the UN, nor the UN SG and not even
the Doctor. The same applies to Russian and Chinese forces in respect of
their president and Communist party chairman. What happened to the chain
of command?
A few moments of clarity! Well done. Insightful.

[Oh dear. Back to bullshit no one with half a brain could agree with]
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Once again just like the military are portrayed as morons so are
scientists. Like they didn't go to university and study for their
degrees because they were intelligent. It seems that as far as Moffat is
concerned scientists are also irresponsible drunks as well.
Like you're put in charge of creating a deadly genetically modified
virus that can destroy all life on the planet and you don't realise the
responsibility of your position so come into work drunk and your
colleague doesn't report you to management?
So the drunken scientist puts the decimal point in the wrong place? Like
there isn't any software or check sheet to spot this. Who was his
colleague there for?
For some reason Nardole is infected by some sort of cloud of smoke and
becomes unconscious inside the TARDIS but the Doctor is not. If this is
the deadly virus then why hasn't it infected everyone in the building
and outside it, especially since none of the scientist were wearing
protective suits until after it escaped.
Where was the air lock between the lab and the office area which seems
to be situated at the HQ of the Greater London Authority. If the virus
get into the TARDIS then it would have contaminated the entire building
since it was parked on the other side of the protective door.
I can only assume you were too busy being apoplectic about Bill to pay
any attention. The few snippets of insight in this section are
outweighed by the parts you're moaning about that were actually shown.
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Why would anyone put a combination lock on the door inside the
laboratory part of the building. The idea of locks is to stop people
getting into a restricted area not to stop them getting out especially
in an emergency. Health and Safety would never have allowed this lab to
operate.
More stupidity comes when the Doctor manages to guess his way to the
threat facing Earth. Why would the aliens be watching the lab on
security cameras when they seem to be omniscient and omnipotent by
restoring the Doctor's eyesight by using their magical powers.
If the Doctor isn't able to set the combination on a simple lock when
how come he was able to rewire and reprogramme the safety systems of a
nuclear reactor and the space suits people were wearing two weeks ago?
I'm getting whiplash. Do you have two or more perosnalities at work
here? Three more paragraphs of insightful comment!
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8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian dogs and being
distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
And yet, you're straight back to the unpleasant insults.
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3/10 for writing which relies on the stupidity of the characters and
fortuitous guesses to work, with characterisation of the tin dog and
Polynesia totally lacking.
Why make the aliens into psychopaths playing some sort of stupid game?
What do they want to enslave humanity for?
What are they going to get out of it if all life on Earth becomes extinct?
Good questions, apart from your nasty insults and lack of understanding
of the word "characterisation". Do you have a problem with "consent"
too? Maybe you're a corpse monk!
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Story continues next week with Missy shooting the Doctor after he goes
over to the side of the corpse aliens, or something like that.
Luckily for me I missed the post titles sequence. I don't suppose you'll
ever stop just commenting on what's to come without warning though. /sigh.
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2017-05-28 14:58:43 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
LOL. Dream on.
Tell me which original parts of your Series 10 stories did the BBC
include in any episode of Doctor Who?
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Post by Agamemnon
Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop
again after the series high of last week.
[Snip of bullshit no one with half a brain could agree with]
There was no bullshit. Moffat broke all the rules and good writing and
good television. Most heterosexuals can not identify with lesbians
trying to chat each other up especially when these lesbians look like
dogs. The way to do lesbians is how it was done in Buffy which I took no
offence to.
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Post by Agamemnon
We soon find out that a pyramid has appeared overnight out of nowhere
and situated itself in the middle of a war zone between Russia, China
and the US.
The UN is called in and this is when the story starts becoming ridiculous.
The Doctor, an alien being World President is a stupid enough idea,
(what was wrong with him being scientific advisor) but the UN
Secretary General making the decision to surrender the entire planet
to a bunch of psychopathic aliens without direct authorisation and a
vote by the Security Council is totally unbelievable. As is the idea
of the Generals representing Russia, China and the US doing exactly
the same thing. Military generals do not have the power to either
surrender or initiate war. Earth is not a military dictatorship. The
Commander in Chief of all US forces in the US President, not the UN,
nor the UN SG and not even the Doctor. The same applies to Russian and
Chinese forces in respect of their president and Communist party
chairman. What happened to the chain of command?
A few moments of clarity! Well done. Insightful.
[Oh dear. Back to bullshit no one with half a brain could agree with]
Oh relay? When have the tin dog or Polynesia ever being given any sort
of characterisation in this series? She does nothing more than follow
the Doctor around sniffing his scent and Polynesia just perches on his
shoulder parroting stuff out. Even I've given them more characterisation
than they ever had in any of the episodes just by calling them the tin
dog and Polynesia.
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Post by Agamemnon
Once again just like the military are portrayed as morons so are
scientists. Like they didn't go to university and study for their
degrees because they were intelligent. It seems that as far as Moffat
is concerned scientists are also irresponsible drunks as well.
Like you're put in charge of creating a deadly genetically modified
virus that can destroy all life on the planet and you don't realise
the responsibility of your position so come into work drunk and your
colleague doesn't report you to management?
So the drunken scientist puts the decimal point in the wrong place?
Like there isn't any software or check sheet to spot this. Who was his
colleague there for?
For some reason Nardole is infected by some sort of cloud of smoke and
becomes unconscious inside the TARDIS but the Doctor is not. If this
is the deadly virus then why hasn't it infected everyone in the
building and outside it, especially since none of the scientist were
wearing protective suits until after it escaped.
Where was the air lock between the lab and the office area which seems
to be situated at the HQ of the Greater London Authority. If the virus
get into the TARDIS then it would have contaminated the entire
building since it was parked on the other side of the protective door.
I can only assume you were too busy being apoplectic about Bill to pay
any attention. The few snippets of insight in this section are
outweighed by the parts you're moaning about that were actually shown.
Were they? Where? Where was the air lock between the lab and the office
area? You'd need air tight space suits to pass though it because it
would have to be decompressed to remove all the air born parasites and
you would also have to go though some kind of sterilised shower like in
Dr. No. Where were these show? How did the virus get into the TARDIS
when it was in what was later shown to be the sterilised area and out of
reach of the Doctor behind a sealed door? Why didn't the virus affect
the Doctor? Where is the on screen explanation?
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Why would anyone put a combination lock on the door inside the
laboratory part of the building. The idea of locks is to stop people
getting into a restricted area not to stop them getting out especially
in an emergency. Health and Safety would never have allowed this lab
to operate.
More stupidity comes when the Doctor manages to guess his way to the
threat facing Earth. Why would the aliens be watching the lab on
security cameras when they seem to be omniscient and omnipotent by
restoring the Doctor's eyesight by using their magical powers.
If the Doctor isn't able to set the combination on a simple lock when
how come he was able to rewire and reprogramme the safety systems of a
nuclear reactor and the space suits people were wearing two weeks ago?
I'm getting whiplash. Do you have two or more perosnalities at work
here? Three more paragraphs of insightful comment!
Post by Agamemnon
8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian dogs and being
distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
And yet, you're straight back to the unpleasant insults.
Think of how unpleasant the inclusion of these characters and the way
they were portrayed was to me. Moffat can take his PC loony agenda with
him. It doesn't belong on Doctor Who. People want to be entertained.
They don't want to see ugly actors and be distracted by dwarfs who were
only given the part because of some PC loony agenda rather than being
the best people for the part. This is not like Game of Thrones where
Tyrion Lannister was a dwarf in the books, and had proper
characterisation and intelligence and therefore had to be played by a
dwarf and is not a distraction and is one of my favourite characters in
the show. Moffat has done nothing to justify his ridiculous PC loony
motivated casting decisions. If you're going to show two lesbians at
least make them attractive like Willow and her friend. The same applies
to the casting of all actors not matter what their race or sexuality.
Make them attractive unless the part calls for someone who's ugly.
Chibnall would have good justification to fire the present casting
director.
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3/10 for writing which relies on the stupidity of the characters and
fortuitous guesses to work, with characterisation of the tin dog and
Polynesia totally lacking.
Why make the aliens into psychopaths playing some sort of stupid game?
What do they want to enslave humanity for?
What are they going to get out of it if all life on Earth becomes extinct?
Good questions, apart from your nasty insults and lack of understanding
of the word "characterisation". Do you have a problem with "consent"
too? Maybe you're a corpse monk!
Consent? I don't not consent to Stephen Moffat offending me by showing
lesbianism between two ugly actresses.

Characterisation? Since when has the tin dog been given any? She just
trundles around following the Doctor's scent. You might as well not
bother writing her of Polynesia in any of the episodes at all since the
both do absolutely nothing to progress the plot, especially the tin dog
which you can't even justify as eye candy. In fact neither Capaldi,
Lucas or Mackie fit the bill in that department and that's why people
are not watching, as I have been told by fans of Matt Smith.
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Story continues next week with Missy shooting the Doctor after he goes
over to the side of the corpse aliens, or something like that.
Luckily for me I missed the post titles sequence. I don't suppose you'll
ever stop just commenting on what's to come without warning though. /sigh.
Maybe the BBC could edit a trailer for once without giving half the plot
way.
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my idea of a
Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN, and scientists
involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
LOL. Dream on.
Tell me which original parts of your Series 10 stories did the BBC
include in any episode of Doctor Who?
As many as yours, that is, none. I'm not the one desperately seeking
validation by drawing parallels to a couple of vague coincidences.
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Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist codswallop
again after the series high of last week.
[Snip of bullshit no one with half a brain could agree with]
There was no bullshit. Moffat broke all the rules and good writing and
good television. Most heterosexuals can not identify with lesbians
trying to chat each other up especially when these lesbians look like
dogs. The way to do lesbians is how it was done in Buffy which I took no
offence to.
The young ladies in question are highly attractive, their awkward dating
vaguely resembles my own recollections (though mine weren't gay). They were
very relatable and sympathetic. You're looking through some self centred
lens where you think lesbianism is only acceptable if you personally perv
at it.
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[Oh dear. Back to bullshit no one with half a brain could agree with]
Oh relay? When have the tin dog or Polynesia ever being given any sort
of characterisation in this series?
There's no Tin dog and no Polynesia in this series of Doctor Who, so you're
either hallucinating or childishly attempting to be gratuitously insulting.
Which?

If you want to talk about characterisation given to Bill or Nardole, try
referring to them by name and then I'll be more than happy to try to
explain it to you. I'll try to use small words, but unfortunately I won't
be able to avoid using some you don't know the meaning of.
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I can only assume you were too busy being apoplectic about Bill to pay
any attention. The few snippets of insight in this section are
outweighed by the parts you're moaning about that were actually shown.
Were they? Where? Where was the air lock between the lab and the office
area?
It was marked "air lock" on both doors. They didn't use it properly, but it
was there.
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You'd need air tight space suits to pass though it because it
would have to be decompressed to remove all the air born parasites and
you would also have to go though some kind of sterilised shower like in
Dr. No. Where were these show?
You're inventing things that aren't needed and then complaining they're not
there. This was supposed to be a GM crop lab not the CDC.

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It didn't. Nardole was infected while in the lab area.
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Why didn't the virus affect
the Doctor? Where is the on screen explanation?
You don't need an explanation for why the Doctor ISN'T vulnerable to a
chemical, biological or mildly radioactive attack. Timelords are
notoriously robust - this was established in Pertwee's day.
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8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian dogs and being
distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
And yet, you're straight back to the unpleasant insults.
Think of how unpleasant the inclusion of these characters and the way
they were portrayed was to me.
There's no need to cater to the sick prejudices of a tiny minority of old
chauvinist racist white men. If you don't like shows with gay characters in
them, don't watch them. If you don't like Doctor Who (and you've made it
pretty clear you don't) then don't watch it.

Moffat can take his PC loony agenda with
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him. It doesn't belong on Doctor Who. People want to be entertained.
They don't want to see ugly actors
Perv. All you seem to want is soft porn dedicated to your personal
prejudices.
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and be distracted by dwarfs
See? There you go again with your reflexive bias. If the female scientist
had been wheelchair bound would you say the same thing? Or some other knee
jerk response because it's not some Baywatch babe for you to feel
inadequate about or a big, hairy Greek guy for you to lust over?
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Good questions, apart from your nasty insults and lack of understanding
of the word "characterisation". Do you have a problem with "consent"
too? Maybe you're a corpse monk!
Consent? I don't not consent to Stephen Moffat offending me by showing
lesbianism between two ugly actresses.
They aren't ugly, no "lesbianism" was even shown (just two pretty young
women on a date). The OFF switch is right there. I don't want to see hairy
Greek blokes lusting after each other so stop trying to make me. I'd
probably stop watching the show if it got too "in my face".
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Were they? Where? Where was the air lock between the lab and the office
area?
It was marked "air lock" on both doors. They didn't use it properly, but it
was there.
Since the air lock wasn't used properly, some the world killing microbes should have escaped the lab when Erica and later the Doctor passed through he air lock as if their tails were on fire. During the next episode, I expect a sea of death to spread out Yorkshire. The Doctor will have no choice but to swear allegiance to the Pyramid Monks so that the Monks will stop the plague.
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You'd need air tight space suits to pass though it because it
would have to be decompressed to remove all the air born parasites and
you would also have to go though some kind of sterilised shower like in
Dr. No. Where were these show?
You're inventing things that aren't needed and then complaining they're not
there. This was supposed to be a GM crop lab not the CDC.
How did the virus get into the TARDIS
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when it was in what was later shown to be the sterilised area and out of
reach of the Doctor behind a sealed door?
It didn't. Nardole was infected while in the lab area.
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Why didn't the virus affect
the Doctor? Where is the on screen explanation?
You don't need an explanation for why the Doctor ISN'T vulnerable to a
chemical, biological or mildly radioactive attack. Timelords are
notoriously robust - this was established in Pertwee's day.
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8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian dogs and being
distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
And yet, you're straight back to the unpleasant insults.
Think of how unpleasant the inclusion of these characters and the way
they were portrayed was to me.
There's no need to cater to the sick prejudices of a tiny minority of old
chauvinist racist white men. If you don't like shows with gay characters in
them, don't watch them. If you don't like Doctor Who (and you've made it
pretty clear you don't) then don't watch it.
Moffat can take his PC loony agenda with
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him. It doesn't belong on Doctor Who. People want to be entertained.
They don't want to see ugly actors
Perv. All you seem to want is soft porn dedicated to your personal
prejudices.
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and be distracted by dwarfs
See? There you go again with your reflexive bias. If the female scientist
had been wheelchair bound would you say the same thing? Or some other knee
jerk response because it's not some Baywatch babe for you to feel
inadequate about or a big, hairy Greek guy for you to lust over?
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Good questions, apart from your nasty insults and lack of understanding
of the word "characterisation". Do you have a problem with "consent"
too? Maybe you're a corpse monk!
Consent? I don't not consent to Stephen Moffat offending me by showing
lesbianism between two ugly actresses.
They aren't ugly, no "lesbianism" was even shown (just two pretty young
women on a date). The OFF switch is right there. I don't want to see hairy
Greek blokes lusting after each other so stop trying to make me. I'd
probably stop watching the show if it got too "in my face".
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When the Doctor et al were pondering how the world might end, why didn't anyone mention the possibility of terrorists triggering World War Three? (Probably via a suitcase nuke).
It was cut out by the PC loonies running the BBC.
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When the Doctor et al were pondering how the world might end, why
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Three? (Probably via a suitcase nuke).
It was cut out by the PC loonies running the BBC.
Due to what happened in Manchester.

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When the Doctor et al were pondering how the world might end, why didn't anyone mention the possibility of terrorists triggering World War Three? (Probably via a suitcase nuke).
It was cut out by the PC loonies running the BBC.
How do you know that such dialogue was ever IN the episode?
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When the Doctor et al were pondering how the world might end, why didn't anyone mention the possibility of terrorists triggering World War Three? (Probably via a suitcase nuke).
It was cut out by the PC loonies running the BBC.
How do you know that such dialogue was ever IN the episode?
Because there was an article about it in the Radio Times.
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It was cut out by the PC loonies running the BBC.
How do you know that such dialogue was ever IN the episode?
Because there was an article about it in the Radio Times.
So terrorists caused a big gaping nit!
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2017-05-28 22:21:15 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my
idea of a Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN,
and scientists involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA
S11E05/06 episodes The Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The
Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
LOL. Dream on.
Tell me which original parts of your Series 10 stories did the BBC
include in any episode of Doctor Who?
As many as yours, that is, none. I'm not the one desperately seeking
validation by drawing parallels to a couple of vague coincidences.
Vague? What is vague about an Egyptian pyramid, occupied by alien
invaders, under siege by the UN, and a genetic engendering lab; all of
which were elements of my original story? Even giving them a 50/50
chance each of being chosen at random you get a 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 =
1/16 chance of them all being picked for the same episode, but given
that the writer could have chosen literally anything out of hundreds of
elements the chances are far less.
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Unfortunately this week it's back to the sentimentalist
codswallop again after the series high of last week.
[Snip of bullshit no one with half a brain could agree with]
There was no bullshit. Moffat broke all the rules and good writing
and good television. Most heterosexuals can not identify with
lesbians trying to chat each other up especially when these
lesbians look like dogs. The way to do lesbians is how it was done
in Buffy which I took no offence to.
The young ladies in question are highly attractive, their awkward dating
The dogs were nothing of the kind.
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vaguely resembles my own recollections (though mine weren't gay).
They were very relatable and sympathetic. You're looking through some
self centred lens where you think lesbianism is only acceptable if
you personally perv at it.
If Moffat wants to do lesbians then at least make them both attractive
and make it subtle. This lesbian scene did not progress the story in any
way and was only there to offend people.
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[Oh dear. Back to bullshit no one with half a brain could agree with]
Oh relay? When have the tin dog or Polynesia ever being given any
sort of characterisation in this series?
There's no Tin dog and no Polynesia in this series of Doctor Who, so
you're either hallucinating or childishly attempting to be
gratuitously insulting. Which?
The tin dog which relentlessly follows the Doctor around and escaping
from her kennel, I mean the TARDIS when she's told to stay there is
Bill, and Polynesia perched on his shoulder is Nardole.
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If you want to talk about characterisation given to Bill or Nardole,
try referring to them by name and then I'll be more than happy to try
to explain it to you. I'll try to use small words, but unfortunately
I won't be able to avoid using some you don't know the meaning of.
So I will take it from that that you agree with me that both a cardboard
cut outs with little or no characterisation whatsoever and are
unnecessary for the progression of any of this series' stories.
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I can only assume you were too busy being apoplectic about Bill
to pay any attention. The few snippets of insight in this section
are outweighed by the parts you're moaning about that were
actually shown.
Were they? Where? Where was the air lock between the lab and the
office area?
It was marked "air lock" on both doors. They didn't use it properly,
but it was there.
Well I've had a look at it again and the last door was marked "Chamber
2" not "air lock" and the dwarf runs though the first door without
closing or sealing it, straight though to chamber two without any kind
of depressurisation or sterilisation and then pushes the door shut
without any kind of lock engaging or any kind of seals in place at
around 39 mins into the episode. That was no air lock.
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You'd need air tight space suits to pass though it because it would
have to be decompressed to remove all the air born parasites and
you would also have to go though some kind of sterilised shower
like in Dr. No. Where were these show?
You're inventing things that aren't needed and then complaining
they're not there. This was supposed to be a GM crop lab not the
CDC.
Yer right, so why were they making what amounted to biological weapons
in a GM crop lab without any proper precautions? If this was a normal
chemistry lab or GM research centre there would be nothing preventing a
bio-toxin from escaping, nothing, because GM labs do not manufacture
mechanical and biological weapons. They would not even be under the same
level of precaution as a medical lab studying deadly viruses and
bacteria would be.
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How did the virus get into the TARDIS
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when it was in what was later shown to be the sterilised area and
out of reach of the Doctor behind a sealed door?
It didn't. Nardole was infected while in the lab area.
What was the cloud of smoke then?

How come the TARDIS is shown on the Inside of "Chamber 2" then at 39
minutes and 46ish seconds into the episode with the dwarf standing in
front of it peering though the two separating windows?

So Nardole runs infected though the non-air-lock--more like the double
swing door corridor joining a restaurant kitchen to the main dining
area--together with a cloud of smoke and into the TARDIS, then the dwarf
runs though the same corridor with not form of depressurisation or
decontamination or even sealing the doors and takes her hood off right
in front of the TARDIS in the same room which is already contaminated.

This story has been written by ignorant morons.
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Why didn't the virus affect the Doctor? Where is the on screen
explanation?
You don't need an explanation for why the Doctor ISN'T vulnerable to
a chemical, biological or mildly radioactive attack. Timelords are
notoriously robust - this was established in Pertwee's day.
Poppycock. Most current viewers have not watched every episode since Jon
Pertwee. Where is the explanation for why the Doctor hasn't been
infected? Why hasn't the dwarf been infected after taking her hood off
inside an infected area. Which also makes a nonsense of the Doctor
calling on Nardole since even if he were still conscious he wouldn't
have any more chance of saving the Doctor than the dwarf did.
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8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian dogs
and being distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
And yet, you're straight back to the unpleasant insults.
Think of how unpleasant the inclusion of these characters and the
way they were portrayed was to me.
There's no need to cater to the sick prejudices of a tiny minority of
old chauvinist racist white men. If you don't like shows with gay
characters in them, don't watch them. If you don't like Doctor Who
(and you've made it pretty clear you don't) then don't watch it.
There was nothing prejudiced, chauvinistic or racist about any of my
comments.

What was prejudiced, chauvinistic, and racist was what was shown in this
episode which was anti-heterosexual, anti-European and anti-male.
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Moffat can take his PC loony agenda with
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him. It doesn't belong on Doctor Who. People want to be
entertained. They don't want to see ugly actors
Perv. All you seem to want is soft porn dedicated to your personal
prejudices.
It wasn't me that decided to show two ugly lesbian dogs yelping at each
other.
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and be distracted by dwarfs
See? There you go again with your reflexive bias. If the female
scientist had been wheelchair bound would you say the same thing? Or
You mean like Davros? Talk about prejudice when last series Moffat has
the Doctor pull a crippled Davros out of his chair so that he can go for
a spin in it himself. Totally sick, disrespectful and uncaring. That's
PC lunacy for you.
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some other knee jerk response because it's not some Baywatch babe for
you to feel inadequate about or a big, hairy Greek guy for you to
lust over?
More proof of you being racist and homophobic just like the majority of
PC loonies all full of prejudices.
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Good questions, apart from your nasty insults and lack of
understanding of the word "characterisation". Do you have a
problem with "consent" too? Maybe you're a corpse monk!
Consent? I don't not consent to Stephen Moffat offending me by
showing lesbianism between two ugly actresses.
They aren't ugly, no "lesbianism" was even shown (just two pretty
They look like dogs so they are ugly. One of the dogs was yelping of
they other one so it was showing lesbianism.
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young women on a date). The OFF switch is right there. I don't want
If they were two women on a date then they were lesbians.
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to see hairy Greek blokes lusting after each other so stop trying to
make me. I'd probably stop watching the show if it got too "in my
face".
I'm not making your trying to do anything. You are a sick totally
deranged racist homophobe.
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my
idea of a Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN,
and scientists involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA
S11E05/06 episodes The Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The
Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
LOL. Dream on.
Tell me which original parts of your Series 10 stories did the BBC
include in any episode of Doctor Who?
As many as yours, that is, none. I'm not the one desperately seeking
validation by drawing parallels to a couple of vague coincidences.
Vague? What is vague about an Egyptian pyramid, occupied by alien
invaders, under siege by the UN, and a genetic engendering lab; all of
which were elements of my original story? Even giving them a 50/50
chance each of being chosen at random you get a 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 =
1/16 chance of them all being picked for the same episode, but given
that the writer could have chosen literally anything out of hundreds of
elements the chances are far less.
So you are charging the BBC with copyright infringement? Now you need to prove that Doctor Who producers have been reading this newsgroup, and in particular your stories!
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2017-05-28 23:50:19 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my
idea of a Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN,
and scientists involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA
S11E05/06 episodes The Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The
Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
LOL. Dream on.
Tell me which original parts of your Series 10 stories did the BBC
include in any episode of Doctor Who?
As many as yours, that is, none. I'm not the one desperately seeking
validation by drawing parallels to a couple of vague coincidences.
Vague? What is vague about an Egyptian pyramid, occupied by alien
invaders, under siege by the UN, and a genetic engendering lab; all of
which were elements of my original story? Even giving them a 50/50
chance each of being chosen at random you get a 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 =
1/16 chance of them all being picked for the same episode, but given
that the writer could have chosen literally anything out of hundreds of
elements the chances are far less.
So you are charging the BBC with copyright infringement? Now you need to prove that Doctor Who producers have been reading this newsgroup, and in particular your stories!
I'm not charging them with copyright infringement since both stories
were completely different. If the aliens had looked like dogs instead of
corpses then I would have had a good case. Unfortunately it was only
Bill and her girlfriend that resembled dogs in this story so I wouldn't
stand a chance of proving plagiarism. In any case I am taking it as a
compliment that my ideas were deemed worthy to copy so they are welcome
to them.
The Last Doctor
2017-05-28 23:47:17 UTC
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied my
idea of a Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by the UN,
and scientists involved in genetic engineering, from my AGA
S11E05/06 episodes The Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The
Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
LOL. Dream on.
Tell me which original parts of your Series 10 stories did the BBC
include in any episode of Doctor Who?
As many as yours, that is, none. I'm not the one desperately seeking
validation by drawing parallels to a couple of vague coincidences.
Vague? What is vague about an Egyptian pyramid, occupied by alien
invaders, under siege by the UN, and a genetic engendering lab; all of
which were elements of my original story? Even giving them a 50/50
chance each of being chosen at random you get a 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 =
1/16 chance of them all being picked for the same episode, but given
that the writer could have chosen literally anything out of hundreds of
elements the chances are far less.
You wrote a plot outline (not a story, a plot outline) about a genetic lab
that was making rabid dogs under the control of dog headed aliens. Because
you made them dog headed aliens, you called them Anubians and from there
made a logical link to secret chambers under the Egyptian pyramids.

To be fair, your justification for a pyramid was better than this story's.
However to the best of my recollection it was the genetic lab that was
under siege in your outline. The Doctor just investigated the Pyramids.

It's a fun coincidence that where your plot line was about aliens running
genetic experiments and having a secret base in the Egyptian pyramids, the
televised story was about aliens messing about in a fake pyramid while a
totally unconnected accident was taking place in a food lab.

You can imagine all the points of similarity you like, but really it's just
2 very remotely similar settings, with no plot similarities.
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The young ladies in question are highly attractive, their awkward dating
The dogs were nothing of the kind.
There were no dogs. The dogs were in your fanfic outline, remember? Not
this story.
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vaguely resembles my own recollections (though mine weren't gay).
They were very relatable and sympathetic. You're looking through some
self centred lens where you think lesbianism is only acceptable if
you personally perv at it.
If Moffat wants to do lesbians then at least make them both attractive
and make it subtle. This lesbian scene did not progress the story in any
way and was only there to offend people.
No, it was there to add some personal depth to Bill's character. It
offended no one at all, except you.
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There's no Tin dog and no Polynesia in this series of Doctor Who, so
you're either hallucinating or childishly attempting to be
gratuitously insulting. Which?
The tin dog which relentlessly follows the Doctor around and escaping
from her kennel, I mean the TARDIS when she's told to stay there is
Bill, and Polynesia perched on his shoulder is Nardole.
So, childishly attempting to be gratuitously insulting then. Glad we could
clear that up.
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If you want to talk about characterisation given to Bill or Nardole,
try referring to them by name and then I'll be more than happy to try
to explain it to you. I'll try to use small words, but unfortunately
I won't be able to avoid using some you don't know the meaning of.
So I will take it from that that you agree with me that both a cardboard
cut outs with little or no characterisation whatsoever and are
unnecessary for the progression of any of this series' stories.
How can you take affirmation of your preposterous and self evidently false
view from my simple request that you refer to characters by name if you
want to discuss them? You are either deluded or just trying to lie your way
out of having to be half-respectful to other people. Which?
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You're inventing things that aren't needed and then complaining
they're not there. This was supposed to be a GM crop lab not the
CDC.
Yer If this was a normal
chemistry lab or GM research centre there would be nothing preventing a
bio-toxin from escaping, nothing, because GM labs do not manufacture
mechanical and biological weapons. They would not even be under the same
level of precaution as a medical lab studying deadly viruses and
bacteria would be.
You're wrong. People are (rightly or wrongly) quite paranoid about GM
organisms and take extensive precautions to prevent their products getting
out into the wild.
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Why didn't the virus affect the Doctor? Where is the on screen
explanation?
You don't need an explanation for why the Doctor ISN'T vulnerable to
a chemical, biological or mildly radioactive attack. Timelords are
notoriously robust - this was established in Pertwee's day.
Poppycock. Most current viewers have not watched every episode since Jon
Pertwee. Where is the explanation for why the Doctor hasn't been
infected?
Most people understand that the Doctor is unaffected, or at least less
badly affected, by deadly things than a human. We last saw this in"Oxygen"
when he wound up blind but not dead.
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8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian dogs
and being distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
And yet, you're straight back to the unpleasant insults.
Think of how unpleasant the inclusion of these characters and the
way they were portrayed was to me.
There's no need to cater to the sick prejudices of a tiny minority of
old chauvinist racist white men. If you don't like shows with gay
characters in them, don't watch them. If you don't like Doctor Who
(and you've made it pretty clear you don't) then don't watch it.
There was nothing prejudiced, chauvinistic or racist about any of my
comments.
Your unjustified insults against Penny and Bill seem to be racially and
chauvinistically motivated. Several people in this newsgroup alone have
told you that they are attractive girls and that the scenes shown can be
related to by ordinary, heterosexual people. You're the only one with a
problem.

You're also showing prejudice with your very poorly veiled comments about
Erica, always referring to her as "the dwarf" and not to her role in the
story as an experimental scientist and declaring that it's "PC lunacy" even
to cast her.
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What was prejudiced, chauvinistic, and racist was what was shown in this
episode which was anti-heterosexual,
Erica and her co worker were clearly heterosexual and she, at least, was
treated sympathetically. You have no basis for this claim.
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anti-European
Bill, Penny, Erica and the Russian officer were all European and not
prejudiced against. You have no basis for this claim.
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and anti-male.
In what way? You have no basis for this claim.
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him. It doesn't belong on Doctor Who. People want to be
entertained. They don't want to see ugly actors
Perv. All you seem to want is soft porn dedicated to your personal
prejudices.
It wasn't me that decided to show two ugly lesbian dogs yelping at each
other.
There were no such scenes. I'd be worried if I were you. The voices in your
head seem to have been enhanced with powerful hallucinations. Get a CT
scan, it might be a brain tumour.
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and be distracted by dwarfs
See? There you go again with your reflexive bias. If the female
scientist had been wheelchair bound would you say the same thing? Or
You mean like Davros?
No. You're trying to deflect from the fact that you've exposed your ugly,
sizeist prejudices.
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some other knee jerk response because it's not some Baywatch babe for
you to feel inadequate about or a big, hairy Greek guy for you to
lust over?
More proof of you being racist and homophobic just like the majority of
PC loonies all full of prejudices.
I have nothing against the fact that you're of Greek descent or that you
have these homosexual desires. Each to their own. So that's not me being
racist or homophobic, is it? You're just being silly.
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Consent? I don't not consent to Stephen Moffat offending me by
showing lesbianism between two ugly actresses.
They aren't ugly, no "lesbianism" was even shown (just two pretty
They look like dogs so they are ugly. One of the dogs was yelping of
they other one so it was showing lesbianism.
Seriously. CT scan. Your hallucinations are a worrying symptom.
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young women on a date). The OFF switch is right there. I don't want
If they were two women on a date then they were lesbians.
So? No lesbian acts were portrayed.
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to see hairy Greek blokes lusting after each other so stop trying to
make me. I'd probably stop watching the show if it got too "in my
face".
I'm not making your trying to do anything.
You're the one who doesn't want to see women or bald white men.
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You are a sick totally
deranged racist homophobe.
I have nothing against the fact that you're of Greek descent or that you
have these homosexual desires. Each to their own. So that's not me being
racist or homophobic, is it? You're just being silly.
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied
my idea of a Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by
the UN, and scientists involved in genetic engineering,
from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The Hounds from Hell (20
March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
LOL. Dream on.
Tell me which original parts of your Series 10 stories did the
BBC include in any episode of Doctor Who?
As many as yours, that is, none. I'm not the one desperately
seeking validation by drawing parallels to a couple of vague
coincidences.
Vague? What is vague about an Egyptian pyramid, occupied by alien
invaders, under siege by the UN, and a genetic engendering lab; all
of which were elements of my original story? Even giving them a
50/50 chance each of being chosen at random you get a 1/2 x 1/2 x
1/2 x 1/2 = 1/16 chance of them all being picked for the same
episode, but given that the writer could have chosen literally
anything out of hundreds of elements the chances are far less.
You wrote a plot outline (not a story, a plot outline) about a
genetic lab that was making rabid dogs under the control of dog
headed aliens. Because you made them dog headed aliens, you called
them Anubians and from there made a logical link to secret chambers
under the Egyptian pyramids.
To be fair, your justification for a pyramid was better than this
story's. However to the best of my recollection it was the genetic
lab that was under siege in your outline. The Doctor just
investigated the Pyramids.
Nope. The genetics labs in England that were growing aliens for an army
and making weapons of mass destruction for them to use were taken out by
UNIT and the the action moved to Egypt (and other alien facilities in
other countries) where the UN invaded the alien held pyramid in order to
stop the aliens in their tracks.

From The Dogs of War
"The TARDIS materialises in Egypt. The Doctor, Lara and the Colonel step
out and join the Egyptian contingent of UNIT in Geza. They head for the
pyramids and start to explore them when they get there. They make their
way to one of the runnels leading to the hidden chambers and discover
the remains of the scientists with their throats torn out. The
sarcophagi that were around them have now dissipated. The Doctor and his
companions continue, under armed escort."

From the Hounds from Hell
"Professor Miles the head of operations of Sirius is addressing a public
meeting in the Village Hall in order to reassure people that the
projects Sirius is working on and not dangerous and will not harm the
environment.

Rumours have it that genetically modified pollen is causing significant
changes to vegetation and some of the cloned animals have escaped from
the laboratory and made it into the wild."

(see the omnibus edition which I will republish later)

Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness have used exactly the same main
elements in their story brief as I did and the question is where did
they come from?

The Hounds from Hell was published here on 20 March 2016 and The Dogs of
War on 22 March 2016.
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It's a fun coincidence that where your plot line was about aliens
running genetic experiments and having a secret base in the Egyptian
pyramids, the televised story was about aliens messing about in a
fake pyramid while a totally unconnected accident was taking place in
a food lab.
You can imagine all the points of similarity you like, but really
it's just 2 very remotely similar settings, with no plot
similarities.
How could Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness have come up with the same
main elements for their story brief as I did just be coincidence?

Like you said the fact that my aliens had dog heads meant that it would
follow that they should be based inside an Egyptian pyramid and that's
more or less how I came up with the setting of that as their base.

How does a pyramid fit in with Moffat and Harness's story? The aliens
don't even look like mummies. They're corpses.

My brief to myself was to write a story where alien invaders/colonists
take millennia to travel to earth since they are not able to develop FTL
travel, so how would they be able to colonise and/or subdue the Earth
when they got there few in number.

What was Moffat's brief. How did he end up with a pyramid under siege by
the UN and a bio-lab creating a WMDs?
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The young ladies in question are highly attractive, their
awkward dating
The dogs were nothing of the kind.
There were no dogs. The dogs were in your fanfic outline, remember?
Not this story.
Well given that they've copied all the other main elements of my story
why not the dogs are well?
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vaguely resembles my own recollections (though mine weren't
gay). They were very relatable and sympathetic. You're looking
through some self centred lens where you think lesbianism is only
acceptable if you personally perv at it.
If Moffat wants to do lesbians then at least make them both
attractive and make it subtle. This lesbian scene did not progress
the story in any way and was only there to offend people.
No, it was there to add some personal depth to Bill's character. It
offended no one at all, except you.
Depth? What depth. It showed the to be a lesbian and we already knew
that from the first episode so it added nothing but offence.
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There's no Tin dog and no Polynesia in this series of Doctor Who,
so you're either hallucinating or childishly attempting to be
gratuitously insulting. Which?
The tin dog which relentlessly follows the Doctor around and
escaping from her kennel, I mean the TARDIS when she's told to stay
there is Bill, and Polynesia perched on his shoulder is Nardole.
So, childishly attempting to be gratuitously insulting then. Glad we
could clear that up.
The insult is to the intelligence of the viewers by the portraying one
of the companions as nothing more than a tin dog and the other as
nothing more than a parrot.
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If you want to talk about characterisation given to Bill or
Nardole, try referring to them by name and then I'll be more than
happy to try to explain it to you. I'll try to use small words,
but unfortunately I won't be able to avoid using some you don't
know the meaning of.
So I will take it from that that you agree with me that both a
cardboard cut outs with little or no characterisation whatsoever
and are unnecessary for the progression of any of this series'
stories.
How can you take affirmation of your preposterous and self evidently
false view from my simple request that you refer to characters by
name if you want to discuss them? You are either deluded or just
trying to lie your way out of having to be half-respectful to other
people. Which?
Since you have not challenged my assertion of them being cardboard cut
outs who server no purpose at all I take it you agree with me.
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You're inventing things that aren't needed and then complaining
they're not there. This was supposed to be a GM crop lab not the
CDC.
Yer If this was a normal chemistry lab or GM research centre there
would be nothing preventing a bio-toxin from escaping, nothing,
because GM labs do not manufacture mechanical and biological
weapons. They would not even be under the same level of precaution
as a medical lab studying deadly viruses and bacteria would be.
You're wrong. People are (rightly or wrongly) quite paranoid about
GM organisms and take extensive precautions to prevent their products
getting out into the wild.
You mean like growing GM crops along side ordinary crops in the nearby
field, OUTDOORS?

And like allowing GM animals to urinate outside as well and untreated
urine into the sewers?
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Why didn't the virus affect the Doctor? Where is the on screen
explanation?
You don't need an explanation for why the Doctor ISN'T vulnerable
to a chemical, biological or mildly radioactive attack. Timelords
are notoriously robust - this was established in Pertwee's day.
Poppycock. Most current viewers have not watched every episode
since Jon Pertwee. Where is the explanation for why the Doctor
hasn't been infected?
Most people understand that the Doctor is unaffected, or at least
less badly affected, by deadly things than a human. We last saw this
in"Oxygen" when he wound up blind but not dead.
Oh yes, Superdaredevil... Ridiculous. Where was the explanation then
and where is it now? Nowhere.
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8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian
dogs and being distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
And yet, you're straight back to the unpleasant insults.
Think of how unpleasant the inclusion of these characters and
the way they were portrayed was to me.
There's no need to cater to the sick prejudices of a tiny
minority of old chauvinist racist white men. If you don't like
shows with gay characters in them, don't watch them. If you don't
like Doctor Who (and you've made it pretty clear you don't) then
don't watch it.
There was nothing prejudiced, chauvinistic or racist about any of
my comments.
Your unjustified insults against Penny and Bill seem to be racially
and chauvinistically motivated. Several people in this newsgroup
Nope. There are lots of black actresses I find attractive. In the case
of Doctor Who, Freema is one of them. There was also Uhura from Star
Trek. Unfortunately the two actresses were are talking about look like dogs.
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alone have told you that they are attractive girls and that the
Are they mad?
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scenes shown can be related to by ordinary, heterosexual people.
You're the only one with a problem.
Impossible.
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You're also showing prejudice with your very poorly veiled comments
about Erica, always referring to her as "the dwarf" and not to her
role in the story as an experimental scientist and declaring that
it's "PC lunacy" even to cast her.
Of course it is. She's a total distraction. The fact that she is a dwarf
take all the emphasis away from her being a scientist.

The way to do dwarfs properly is Tyrion Lannister aka. The Imp in GoT
who as I said before is one of my favourite characters and the one with
the most intelligence.
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What was prejudiced, chauvinistic, and racist was what was shown in
this episode which was anti-heterosexual,
Erica and her co worker were clearly heterosexual and she, at least,
was treated sympathetically. You have no basis for this claim.
Is Erica the dwarf? I'm not talking about dwarfs. I'm talking about the
lesbian dogs.
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anti-European
Bill, Penny, Erica and the Russian officer were all European and not
prejudiced against. You have no basis for this claim.
What? Did they speak French, Spanish, German Italian? Was the EU
represented at all?
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and anti-male.
In what way? You have no basis for this claim.
Yes I do. Where was the love interest for the male viewers? Certainly
not the lesbians. Why are the millenary always portrayed as morons and
scientists as drunks?
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Moffat can take his PC loony agenda with
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him. It doesn't belong on Doctor Who. People want to be
entertained. They don't want to see ugly actors
Perv. All you seem to want is soft porn dedicated to your
personal prejudices.
It wasn't me that decided to show two ugly lesbian dogs yelping at
each other.
There were no such scenes. I'd be worried if I were you. The voices
You must have missed the start of the episode.
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in your head seem to have been enhanced with powerful hallucinations.
Get a CT scan, it might be a brain tumour.
You are deranged.
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and be distracted by dwarfs
See? There you go again with your reflexive bias. If the female
scientist had been wheelchair bound would you say the same thing? Or
You mean like Davros?
No. You're trying to deflect from the fact that you've exposed your
ugly, sizeist prejudices.
Sizeist? Like I said the Imp is one of my favourite characters in GoT.
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some other knee jerk response because it's not some Baywatch babe
for you to feel inadequate about or a big, hairy Greek guy for
you to lust over?
More proof of you being racist and homophobic just like the
majority of PC loonies all full of prejudices.
I have nothing against the fact that you're of Greek descent or that
you have these homosexual desires. Each to their own. So that's not
me being racist or homophobic, is it? You're just being silly.
Yes it is. You are accusing Greeks of being homosexual because they are
Greek. That is racism by definition, ie. associating traits in
individualise based on their race.
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Consent? I don't not consent to Stephen Moffat offending me by
showing lesbianism between two ugly actresses.
They aren't ugly, no "lesbianism" was even shown (just two
pretty
They look like dogs so they are ugly. One of the dogs was yelping
of they other one so it was showing lesbianism.
Seriously. CT scan. Your hallucinations are a worrying symptom.
You are deranged.
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young women on a date). The OFF switch is right there. I don't want
If they were two women on a date then they were lesbians.
So? No lesbian acts were portrayed.
They were chatting each other up. Heterosexual women don't chat each
other up.
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to see hairy Greek blokes lusting after each other so stop trying
to make me. I'd probably stop watching the show if it got too "in
my face".
I'm not making your trying to do anything.
You're the one who doesn't want to see women or bald white men.
I loved Kojak who was played be Telle Savalas. Ule Brinner was another
of my favourite actors.

What I said was I don't want to see ugly people on TV, especially ones
in homosexual relationships.
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You are a sick totally deranged racist homophobe.
I have nothing against the fact that you're of Greek descent or that
you have these homosexual desires. Each to their own. So that's not
me being racist or homophobic, is it? You're just being silly.
You are accusing Greeks of being homosexual because they are Greek. That
is racism by definition, ie. associating traits in individualise based
on their race.
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied
my idea of a Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by
the UN, and scientists involved in genetic engineering,
from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The Hounds from Hell (20
March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
LOL. Dream on.
Tell me which original parts of your Series 10 stories did the
BBC include in any episode of Doctor Who?
As many as yours, that is, none. I'm not the one desperately
seeking validation by drawing parallels to a couple of vague
coincidences.
Vague? What is vague about an Egyptian pyramid, occupied by alien
invaders, under siege by the UN, and a genetic engendering lab; all
of which were elements of my original story? Even giving them a
50/50 chance each of being chosen at random you get a 1/2 x 1/2 x
1/2 x 1/2 = 1/16 chance of them all being picked for the same
episode, but given that the writer could have chosen literally
anything out of hundreds of elements the chances are far less.
You wrote a plot outline (not a story, a plot outline) about a
genetic lab that was making rabid dogs under the control of dog
headed aliens. Because you made them dog headed aliens, you called
them Anubians and from there made a logical link to secret chambers
under the Egyptian pyramids.
To be fair, your justification for a pyramid was better than this
story's. However to the best of my recollection it was the genetic
lab that was under siege in your outline. The Doctor just
investigated the Pyramids.
Nope. The genetics labs in England that were growing aliens for an army
and making weapons of mass destruction for them to use were taken out by
UNIT and the the action moved to Egypt (and other alien facilities in
other countries) where the UN invaded the alien held pyramid in order to
stop the aliens in their tracks.
From The Dogs of War
"The TARDIS materialises in Egypt. The Doctor, Lara and the Colonel step
out and join the Egyptian contingent of UNIT in Geza. They head for the
pyramids and start to explore them when they get there. They make their
way to one of the runnels leading to the hidden chambers and discover
the remains of the scientists with their throats torn out. The
sarcophagi that were around them have now dissipated. The Doctor and his
companions continue, under armed escort."
From the Hounds from Hell
"Professor Miles the head of operations of Sirius is addressing a public
meeting in the Village Hall in order to reassure people that the
projects Sirius is working on and not dangerous and will not harm the
environment.
Rumours have it that genetically modified pollen is causing significant
changes to vegetation and some of the cloned animals have escaped from
the laboratory and made it into the wild."
(see the omnibus edition which I will republish later)
Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness have used exactly the same main
elements in their story brief as I did and the question is where did
they come from?
The Hounds from Hell was published here on 20 March 2016 and The Dogs of
War on 22 March 2016.
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It's a fun coincidence that where your plot line was about aliens
running genetic experiments and having a secret base in the Egyptian
pyramids, the televised story was about aliens messing about in a
fake pyramid while a totally unconnected accident was taking place in
a food lab.
You can imagine all the points of similarity you like, but really
it's just 2 very remotely similar settings, with no plot
similarities.
How could Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness have come up with the same
main elements for their story brief as I did just be coincidence?
Like you said the fact that my aliens had dog heads meant that it would
follow that they should be based inside an Egyptian pyramid and that's
more or less how I came up with the setting of that as their base.
How does a pyramid fit in with Moffat and Harness's story? The aliens
don't even look like mummies. They're corpses.
My brief to myself was to write a story where alien invaders/colonists
take millennia to travel to earth since they are not able to develop FTL
travel, so how would they be able to colonise and/or subdue the Earth
when they got there few in number.
What was Moffat's brief. How did he end up with a pyramid under siege by
the UN and a bio-lab creating a WMDs?
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The young ladies in question are highly attractive, their
awkward dating
The dogs were nothing of the kind.
There were no dogs. The dogs were in your fanfic outline, remember?
Not this story.
Well given that they've copied all the other main elements of my story
why not the dogs are well?
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vaguely resembles my own recollections (though mine weren't
gay). They were very relatable and sympathetic. You're looking
through some self centred lens where you think lesbianism is only
acceptable if you personally perv at it.
If Moffat wants to do lesbians then at least make them both
attractive and make it subtle. This lesbian scene did not progress
the story in any way and was only there to offend people.
No, it was there to add some personal depth to Bill's character. It
offended no one at all, except you.
Depth? What depth. It showed the to be a lesbian and we already knew
that from the first episode so it added nothing but offence.
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There's no Tin dog and no Polynesia in this series of Doctor Who,
so you're either hallucinating or childishly attempting to be
gratuitously insulting. Which?
The tin dog which relentlessly follows the Doctor around and
escaping from her kennel, I mean the TARDIS when she's told to stay
there is Bill, and Polynesia perched on his shoulder is Nardole.
So, childishly attempting to be gratuitously insulting then. Glad we
could clear that up.
The insult is to the intelligence of the viewers by the portraying one
of the companions as nothing more than a tin dog and the other as
nothing more than a parrot.
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If you want to talk about characterisation given to Bill or
Nardole, try referring to them by name and then I'll be more than
happy to try to explain it to you. I'll try to use small words,
but unfortunately I won't be able to avoid using some you don't
know the meaning of.
So I will take it from that that you agree with me that both a
cardboard cut outs with little or no characterisation whatsoever
and are unnecessary for the progression of any of this series'
stories.
How can you take affirmation of your preposterous and self evidently
false view from my simple request that you refer to characters by
name if you want to discuss them? You are either deluded or just
trying to lie your way out of having to be half-respectful to other
people. Which?
Since you have not challenged my assertion of them being cardboard cut
outs who server no purpose at all I take it you agree with me.
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You're inventing things that aren't needed and then complaining
they're not there. This was supposed to be a GM crop lab not the
CDC.
Yer If this was a normal chemistry lab or GM research centre there
would be nothing preventing a bio-toxin from escaping, nothing,
because GM labs do not manufacture mechanical and biological
weapons. They would not even be under the same level of precaution
as a medical lab studying deadly viruses and bacteria would be.
You're wrong. People are (rightly or wrongly) quite paranoid about
GM organisms and take extensive precautions to prevent their products
getting out into the wild.
You mean like growing GM crops along side ordinary crops in the nearby
field, OUTDOORS?
And like allowing GM animals to urinate outside as well and untreated
urine into the sewers?
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Why didn't the virus affect the Doctor? Where is the on screen
explanation?
You don't need an explanation for why the Doctor ISN'T vulnerable
to a chemical, biological or mildly radioactive attack. Timelords
are notoriously robust - this was established in Pertwee's day.
Poppycock. Most current viewers have not watched every episode
since Jon Pertwee. Where is the explanation for why the Doctor
hasn't been infected?
Most people understand that the Doctor is unaffected, or at least
less badly affected, by deadly things than a human. We last saw this
in"Oxygen" when he wound up blind but not dead.
Oh yes, Superdaredevil... Ridiculous. Where was the explanation then
and where is it now? Nowhere.
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8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian
dogs and being distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
And yet, you're straight back to the unpleasant insults.
Think of how unpleasant the inclusion of these characters and
the way they were portrayed was to me.
There's no need to cater to the sick prejudices of a tiny
minority of old chauvinist racist white men. If you don't like
shows with gay characters in them, don't watch them. If you don't
like Doctor Who (and you've made it pretty clear you don't) then
don't watch it.
There was nothing prejudiced, chauvinistic or racist about any of
my comments.
Your unjustified insults against Penny and Bill seem to be racially
and chauvinistically motivated. Several people in this newsgroup
Nope. There are lots of black actresses I find attractive. In the case
of Doctor Who, Freema is one of them. There was also Uhura from Star
Trek. Unfortunately the two actresses were are talking about look like dogs.
Post by The Last Doctor
alone have told you that they are attractive girls and that the
Are they mad?
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scenes shown can be related to by ordinary, heterosexual people.
You're the only one with a problem.
Impossible.
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You're also showing prejudice with your very poorly veiled comments
about Erica, always referring to her as "the dwarf" and not to her
role in the story as an experimental scientist and declaring that
it's "PC lunacy" even to cast her.
Of course it is. She's a total distraction. The fact that she is a dwarf
take all the emphasis away from her being a scientist.
The way to do dwarfs properly is Tyrion Lannister aka. The Imp in GoT
who as I said before is one of my favourite characters and the one with
the most intelligence.
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What was prejudiced, chauvinistic, and racist was what was shown in
this episode which was anti-heterosexual,
Erica and her co worker were clearly heterosexual and she, at least,
was treated sympathetically. You have no basis for this claim.
Is Erica the dwarf? I'm not talking about dwarfs. I'm talking about the
lesbian dogs.
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anti-European
Bill, Penny, Erica and the Russian officer were all European and not
prejudiced against. You have no basis for this claim.
What? Did they speak French, Spanish, German Italian? Was the EU
represented at all?
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and anti-male.
In what way? You have no basis for this claim.
Yes I do. Where was the love interest for the male viewers? Certainly
not the lesbians. Why are the millenary always portrayed as morons and
scientists as drunks?
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Moffat can take his PC loony agenda with
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him. It doesn't belong on Doctor Who. People want to be
entertained. They don't want to see ugly actors
Perv. All you seem to want is soft porn dedicated to your
personal prejudices.
It wasn't me that decided to show two ugly lesbian dogs yelping at
each other.
There were no such scenes. I'd be worried if I were you. The voices
You must have missed the start of the episode.
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in your head seem to have been enhanced with powerful hallucinations.
Get a CT scan, it might be a brain tumour.
You are deranged.
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and be distracted by dwarfs
See? There you go again with your reflexive bias. If the female
scientist had been wheelchair bound would you say the same thing? Or
You mean like Davros?
No. You're trying to deflect from the fact that you've exposed your
ugly, sizeist prejudices.
Sizeist? Like I said the Imp is one of my favourite characters in GoT.
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some other knee jerk response because it's not some Baywatch babe
for you to feel inadequate about or a big, hairy Greek guy for
you to lust over?
More proof of you being racist and homophobic just like the
majority of PC loonies all full of prejudices.
I have nothing against the fact that you're of Greek descent or that
you have these homosexual desires. Each to their own. So that's not
me being racist or homophobic, is it? You're just being silly.
Yes it is. You are accusing Greeks of being homosexual because they are
Greek. That is racism by definition, ie. associating traits in
individualise based on their race.
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Consent? I don't not consent to Stephen Moffat offending me by
showing lesbianism between two ugly actresses.
They aren't ugly, no "lesbianism" was even shown (just two
pretty
They look like dogs so they are ugly. One of the dogs was yelping
of they other one so it was showing lesbianism.
Seriously. CT scan. Your hallucinations are a worrying symptom.
You are deranged.
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young women on a date). The OFF switch is right there. I don't want
If they were two women on a date then they were lesbians.
So? No lesbian acts were portrayed.
They were chatting each other up. Heterosexual women don't chat each
other up.
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to see hairy Greek blokes lusting after each other so stop trying
to make me. I'd probably stop watching the show if it got too "in
my face".
I'm not making your trying to do anything.
You're the one who doesn't want to see women or bald white men.
I loved Kojak who was played be Telle Savalas. Ule Brinner was another
of my favourite actors.
What I said was I don't want to see ugly people on TV, especially ones
in homosexual relationships.
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You are a sick totally deranged racist homophobe.
I have nothing against the fact that you're of Greek descent or that
you have these homosexual desires. Each to their own. So that's not
me being racist or homophobic, is it? You're just being silly.
You are accusing Greeks of being homosexual because they are Greek. That
is racism by definition, ie. associating traits in individualise based
on their race.
And I have to concur with Ag.
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied
my idea of a Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by
the UN, and scientists involved in genetic engineering,
from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The Hounds from Hell (20
March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
LOL. Dream on.
Tell me which original parts of your Series 10 stories did the
BBC include in any episode of Doctor Who?
As many as yours, that is, none. I'm not the one desperately
seeking validation by drawing parallels to a couple of vague
coincidences.
Vague? What is vague about an Egyptian pyramid, occupied by alien
invaders, under siege by the UN, and a genetic engendering lab; all
of which were elements of my original story? Even giving them a
50/50 chance each of being chosen at random you get a 1/2 x 1/2 x
1/2 x 1/2 = 1/16 chance of them all being picked for the same
episode, but given that the writer could have chosen literally
anything out of hundreds of elements the chances are far less.
You wrote a plot outline (not a story, a plot outline) about a
genetic lab that was making rabid dogs under the control of dog
headed aliens. Because you made them dog headed aliens, you called
them Anubians and from there made a logical link to secret chambers
under the Egyptian pyramids.
To be fair, your justification for a pyramid was better than this
story's. However to the best of my recollection it was the genetic
lab that was under siege in your outline. The Doctor just
investigated the Pyramids.
Nope. The genetics labs in England that were growing aliens for an army
and making weapons of mass destruction for them to use were taken out by
UNIT and the the action moved to Egypt (and other alien facilities in
other countries) where the UN invaded the alien held pyramid in order to
stop the aliens in their tracks.
From The Dogs of War
"The TARDIS materialises in Egypt. The Doctor, Lara and the Colonel step
out and join the Egyptian contingent of UNIT in Geza. They head for the
pyramids and start to explore them when they get there. They make their
way to one of the runnels leading to the hidden chambers and discover
the remains of the scientists with their throats torn out. The
sarcophagi that were around them have now dissipated. The Doctor and his
companions continue, under armed escort."
In what way does "The Doctor, Lara .... the Colonel .. join the Egyptian
contingent of UNIT ... head for the pyramids and start to explore them when
they get there" differ from "The Doctor just investigated the Pyramids"?

You just quoted your own words and proved that Pyramids were NOT "under
siege" in your outline!
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From the Hounds from Hell
"Professor Miles the head of operations of Sirius is addressing a public
meeting in the Village Hall in order to reassure people that the
projects Sirius is working on and not dangerous and will not harm the
environment.
Rumours have it that genetically modified pollen is causing significant
changes to vegetation and some of the cloned animals have escaped from
the laboratory and made it into the wild."
(see the omnibus edition which I will republish later)
Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness have used exactly the same main
elements in their story brief as I did and the question is where did
they come from?
In what way is a cloning lab that is making rabid dogs at the behest of fog
headed aliens notably similar to a lab accident at a food plant generating
a biohazard?

As I already agreed, there are a couple of minor points of coincidence. The
rest is in your head.
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It's a fun coincidence that where your plot line was about aliens
running genetic experiments and having a secret base in the Egyptian
pyramids, the televised story was about aliens messing about in a
fake pyramid while a totally unconnected accident was taking place in
a food lab.
You can imagine all the points of similarity you like, but really
it's just 2 very remotely similar settings, with no plot
similarities.
How could Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness have come up with the same
main elements for their story brief as I did just be coincidence?
As I already agreed, there are a couple of minor points of coincidence. The
rest is in your head.
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Like you said the fact that my aliens had dog heads meant that it would
follow that they should be based inside an Egyptian pyramid and that's
more or less how I came up with the setting of that as their base.
How does a pyramid fit in with Moffat and Harness's story? The aliens
don't even look like mummies. They're corpses.
What was Moffat's brief. How did he end up with a pyramid under siege by
the UN and a bio-lab creating a WMDs?
Moffat had a pyramid under siege. You didn't. Moffat had a biological agent
created by accident. You had modified animals and plants as part of a
terraforming exercise by aliens.
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The young ladies in question are highly attractive, their
awkward dating
The dogs were nothing of the kind.
There were no dogs. The dogs were in your fanfic outline, remember?
Not this story.
Well given that they've copied all the other main elements of my story
why not the dogs are well?
They didn't copy any. Sorry
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vaguely resembles my own recollections (though mine weren't
gay). They were very relatable and sympathetic. You're looking
through some self centred lens where you think lesbianism is only
acceptable if you personally perv at it.
If Moffat wants to do lesbians then at least make them both
attractive and make it subtle. This lesbian scene did not progress
the story in any way and was only there to offend people.
No, it was there to add some personal depth to Bill's character. It
offended no one at all, except you.
Depth? What depth. It showed the to be a lesbian and we already knew
that from the first episode so it added nothing but offence.
It offended no one at all, except you.

It was showing you Bill's coping mechanism - overwhelmed by the wonder and
strangeness of her new life as the Doctor's companion, she reaches out to
share it with a potential new partner. She needs a new relationship to be
honest, even if it sounds insane. She needs her unique relationship with
the Doctor to have some external validation and acceptance.

That depth. You're so busy trying to burst a blood vessel over a single
character trait that you're missing everything else.
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There's no Tin dog and no Polynesia in this series of Doctor Who,
so you're either hallucinating or childishly attempting to be
gratuitously insulting. Which?
The tin dog which relentlessly follows the Doctor around and
escaping from her kennel, I mean the TARDIS when she's told to stay
there is Bill, and Polynesia perched on his shoulder is Nardole.
So, childishly attempting to be gratuitously insulting then. Glad we
could clear that up.
The insult is to the intelligence of the viewers by the portraying one
of the companions as nothing more than a tin dog and the other as
nothing more than a parrot.
Seriously. CT scan mate. You're mixing your delusions with reality.
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If you want to talk about characterisation given to Bill or
Nardole, try referring to them by name and then I'll be more than
happy to try to explain it to you. I'll try to use small words,
but unfortunately I won't be able to avoid using some you don't
know the meaning of.
So I will take it from that that you agree with me that both a
cardboard cut outs with little or no characterisation whatsoever
and are unnecessary for the progression of any of this series'
stories.
How can you take affirmation of your preposterous and self evidently
false view from my simple request that you refer to characters by
name if you want to discuss them? You are either deluded or just
trying to lie your way out of having to be half-respectful to other
people. Which?
Since you have not challenged my assertion of them being cardboard cut
outs who server no purpose at all I take it you agree with me.
Deluded then. Glad we could clear that up.

I've done nothing but challenge your loopy assertions. Since you're too
infantile to even refer to them by name, you can't even agree on who we're
talking about. Nardole is much more of a cypher than a character but serves
several literary and narrative purposes:

He is a foil, allowing the Doctor to inform the audience of things without
having to overuse the "talking to himself" device.

He is the Doctor's conscience or sense of responsibility, tempering the
Doctor's mercurial nature and keeping him on the straight and narrow as he
tries to fulfil a thousand year commitment to keep Missy imprisoned.

He is a butler and factotum, although in an inverse sense to Jeeves and
Wooster. He is highly empowered though - he can fly the TARDIS solo, a
gift granted to very few.

And yes, he is the comic relief at times, which is nice as it allows the
Doctor to remain more consistently taciturn and not have to break his own
tension or intensity as much. See the "cuddle!" moment in "Oxygen" for a
fine example.
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You're inventing things that aren't needed and then complaining
they're not there. This was supposed to be a GM crop lab not the
CDC.
Yer If this was a normal chemistry lab or GM research centre there
would be nothing preventing a bio-toxin from escaping, nothing,
because GM labs do not manufacture mechanical and biological
weapons. They would not even be under the same level of precaution
as a medical lab studying deadly viruses and bacteria would be.
You're wrong. People are (rightly or wrongly) quite paranoid about
GM organisms and take extensive precautions to prevent their products
getting out into the wild.
You mean like growing GM crops along side ordinary crops in the nearby
field, OUTDOORS?
Dependent on the specific crop's propagation method, and once the crops
safety has been assured to the best possible extent, what's wrong with
that?
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And like allowing GM animals to urinate outside as well and untreated
urine into the sewers?
Are you under the illusion that urine and feces will cause other organisms
to genetically mutate? It seems that "biology" and "genetics" may belong on
the list of words you don't understand!
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Why didn't the virus affect the Doctor? Where is the on screen
explanation?
You don't need an explanation for why the Doctor ISN'T vulnerable
to a chemical, biological or mildly radioactive attack. Timelords
are notoriously robust - this was established in Pertwee's day.
Poppycock. Most current viewers have not watched every episode
since Jon Pertwee. Where is the explanation for why the Doctor
hasn't been infected?
Most people understand that the Doctor is unaffected, or at least
less badly affected, by deadly things than a human. We last saw this
in"Oxygen" when he wound up blind but not dead.
Oh yes, Superdaredevil... Ridiculous. Where was the explanation then
and where is it now? Nowhere.
He's an alien. A Timelord. They have two hearts, three brainstems, a
secondary circulation system, and slough redundant or unexpressed genes to
allow them to bounce back from DEATH with an entirely new phenotype and
indeed gender. How much more explanation do you need? A three year course
leading to a degree in fake xenobiology?
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8/10 for entertainment (deductions made for the lesbian
dogs and being distracted from the plot by the dwarf).
And yet, you're straight back to the unpleasant insults.
Think of how unpleasant the inclusion of these characters and
the way they were portrayed was to me.
There's no need to cater to the sick prejudices of a tiny
minority of old chauvinist racist white men. If you don't like
shows with gay characters in them, don't watch them. If you don't
like Doctor Who (and you've made it pretty clear you don't) then
don't watch it.
There was nothing prejudiced, chauvinistic or racist about any of
my comments.
Your unjustified insults against Penny and Bill seem to be racially
and chauvinistically motivated. Several people in this newsgroup
Nope. There are lots of black actresses I find attractive. In the case
of Doctor Who, Freema is one of them. There was also Uhura from Star
Trek. Unfortunately the two actresses were are talking about look like dogs.
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alone have told you that they are attractive girls and that the
Are they mad?
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scenes shown can be related to by ordinary, heterosexual people.
You're the only one with a problem.
Impossible.
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You're also showing prejudice with your very poorly veiled comments
about Erica, always referring to her as "the dwarf" and not to her
role in the story as an experimental scientist and declaring that
it's "PC lunacy" even to cast her.
Of course it is. She's a total distraction. The fact that she is a dwarf
take all the emphasis away from her being a scientist.
The way to do dwarfs properly is Tyrion Lannister aka. The Imp in GoT
who as I said before is one of my favourite characters and the one with
the most intelligence.
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What was prejudiced, chauvinistic, and racist was what was shown in
this episode which was anti-heterosexual,
Erica and her co worker were clearly heterosexual and she, at least,
was treated sympathetically. You have no basis for this claim.
Is Erica the dwarf? I'm not talking about dwarfs. I'm talking about the
lesbian dogs.
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anti-European
Bill, Penny, Erica and the Russian officer were all European and not
prejudiced against. You have no basis for this claim.
What? Did they speak French, Spanish, German Italian? Was the EU
represented at all?
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and anti-male.
In what way? You have no basis for this claim.
Yes I do. Where was the love interest for the male viewers? Certainly
not the lesbians. Why are the millenary always portrayed as morons and
scientists as drunks?
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him. It doesn't belong on Doctor Who. People want to be
entertained. They don't want to see ugly actors
Perv. All you seem to want is soft porn dedicated to your
personal prejudices.
It wasn't me that decided to show two ugly lesbian dogs yelping at
each other.
There were no such scenes. I'd be worried if I were you. The voices
You must have missed the start of the episode.
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in your head seem to have been enhanced with powerful hallucinations.
Get a CT scan, it might be a brain tumour.
You are deranged.
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and be distracted by dwarfs
See? There you go again with your reflexive bias. If the female
scientist had been wheelchair bound would you say the same thing? Or
You mean like Davros?
No. You're trying to deflect from the fact that you've exposed your
ugly, sizeist prejudices.
Sizeist? Like I said the Imp is one of my favourite characters in GoT.
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some other knee jerk response because it's not some Baywatch babe
for you to feel inadequate about or a big, hairy Greek guy for
you to lust over?
More proof of you being racist and homophobic just like the
majority of PC loonies all full of prejudices.
I have nothing against the fact that you're of Greek descent or that
you have these homosexual desires. Each to their own. So that's not
me being racist or homophobic, is it? You're just being silly.
Yes it is. You are accusing Greeks of being homosexual because they are
Greek. That is racism by definition, ie. associating traits in
individualise based on their race.
Your language is loaded with biased terms. Why do you use the word
"accuse"? Would you say I "accuse" someone of having grey hair, or I
"accuse" them of coming from Croydon? Making an observation, without
judgemental bias or intent, is not racist. It's just a comment.

And I wasn't suggesting that all Greeks are homosexual - just that their
culture has traditionally embraced it. That's not a bad thing, as far as
I'm concerned, even though I'm not gay myself.
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Consent? I don't not consent to Stephen Moffat offending me by
showing lesbianism between two ugly actresses.
They aren't ugly, no "lesbianism" was even shown (just two
pretty
They look like dogs so they are ugly. One of the dogs was yelping
of they other one so it was showing lesbianism.
Seriously. CT scan. Your hallucinations are a worrying symptom.
You are deranged.
I'm not the one hallucinating dogs, mate.
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young women on a date). The OFF switch is right there. I don't want
If they were two women on a date then they were lesbians.
So? No lesbian acts were portrayed.
They were chatting each other up. Heterosexual women don't chat each
other up.
Talking, even flirting, is not a lesbian act. It's just conversation. I'm
not suggesting the girls weren't lesbian. However, the real point is that
it doesn't matter to most people. It's just a point of information that
doesn't make them any less engaging to watch.
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to see hairy Greek blokes lusting after each other so stop trying
to make me. I'd probably stop watching the show if it got too "in
my face".
I'm not making your trying to do anything.
You're the one who doesn't want to see women or bald white men.
I loved Kojak who was played be Telle Savalas. Ule Brinner was another
of my favourite actors.
What I said was I don't want to see ugly people on TV, especially ones
in homosexual relationships.
Why? Why shouldn't all life be portrayed on TV? I would have thought you'd
be all for someone you personally could relate to being on screen.
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You are a sick totally deranged racist homophobe.
I have nothing against the fact that you're of Greek descent or that
you have these homosexual desires. Each to their own. So that's not
me being racist or homophobic, is it? You're just being silly.
You are accusing Greeks of being homosexual because they are Greek. That
is racism by definition, ie. associating traits in individualise based on their race.
I explained how you're wrong already in this thread. No need to repeat it.
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness copied
my idea of a Pyramid full of alien invaders under siege by
the UN, and scientists involved in genetic engineering,
from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The Hounds from Hell (20
March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20 March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
LOL. Dream on.
Tell me which original parts of your Series 10 stories did the
BBC include in any episode of Doctor Who?
As many as yours, that is, none. I'm not the one desperately
seeking validation by drawing parallels to a couple of vague
coincidences.
Vague? What is vague about an Egyptian pyramid, occupied by alien
invaders, under siege by the UN, and a genetic engendering lab; all
of which were elements of my original story? Even giving them a
50/50 chance each of being chosen at random you get a 1/2 x 1/2 x
1/2 x 1/2 = 1/16 chance of them all being picked for the same
episode, but given that the writer could have chosen literally
anything out of hundreds of elements the chances are far less.
You wrote a plot outline (not a story, a plot outline) about a
genetic lab that was making rabid dogs under the control of dog
headed aliens. Because you made them dog headed aliens, you called
them Anubians and from there made a logical link to secret chambers
under the Egyptian pyramids.
To be fair, your justification for a pyramid was better than this
story's. However to the best of my recollection it was the genetic
lab that was under siege in your outline. The Doctor just
investigated the Pyramids.
Nope. The genetics labs in England that were growing aliens for an army
and making weapons of mass destruction for them to use were taken out by
UNIT and the the action moved to Egypt (and other alien facilities in
other countries) where the UN invaded the alien held pyramid in order to
stop the aliens in their tracks.
From The Dogs of War
"The TARDIS materialises in Egypt. The Doctor, Lara and the Colonel step
out and join the Egyptian contingent of UNIT in Geza. They head for the
pyramids and start to explore them when they get there. They make their
way to one of the runnels leading to the hidden chambers and discover
the remains of the scientists with their throats torn out. The
sarcophagi that were around them have now dissipated. The Doctor and his
companions continue, under armed escort."
In what way does "The Doctor, Lara .... the Colonel .. join the Egyptian
contingent of UNIT ... head for the pyramids and start to explore them when
they get there" differ from "The Doctor just investigated the Pyramids"?
Don't forget that for Aggy the accuracy and relevance of ideas isn't based
on how well they reflect reality, but on how early they were thought up.

The earliest version of an idea (or at least the earliest that Aggy knows
about, usually ancient Greek because he isn't interested in previous
civilisations at all) is "the consensus," the best and most accurate
version.

Later thoughts on that idea are "subjective" and "revisionist," not as
good simply because they came later. The more an idea has been reworked,
the further it deviates from "the consensus," the worse it is.

Therefore Aggy's storyline about a bio-lab and a mysterious alien pyramid
is the real version of the story because it came first. Moffat's new
version is must, therefore, be a "revisionist" re-working of it.

The less the two storylines have in common, the more Moffat has revised
his one away from the consensus, proving just how inferior it is.

And the more you point out the differences between them, the more you
just reinforce the revisionist nature of Moffat's script in Aggy's mind.
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You just quoted your own words and proved that Pyramids were NOT "under
siege" in your outline!
Ah, but his belief that Moffat copied him has to pre-date your objection
to it, therefore he is the consensus and you are the revisionist, and no
amount of boring old facts can change that!

(*SNIP*)
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They look like dogs so they are ugly. One of the dogs was yelping
of they other one so it was showing lesbianism.
Seriously. CT scan. Your hallucinations are a worrying symptom.
You are deranged.
I'm not the one hallucinating dogs, mate.
He isn't even hallucinating the right dogs. Bill looks more like a
chubby Afghan hound or a skinny Labrador than a basset hound. (Not
that she looks like either of those very much, but still more than
she does a basset!)
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So it looks like Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness
copied my idea of a Pyramid full of alien invaders
under siege by the UN, and scientists involved in
genetic engineering, from my AGA S11E05/06 episodes The
Hounds from Hell (20 March 2016)/The Dogs of War (20
March 2016).
It seems I have influence.
LOL. Dream on.
Tell me which original parts of your Series 10 stories did
the BBC include in any episode of Doctor Who?
As many as yours, that is, none. I'm not the one desperately
seeking validation by drawing parallels to a couple of vague
coincidences.
Vague? What is vague about an Egyptian pyramid, occupied by
alien invaders, under siege by the UN, and a genetic
engendering lab; all of which were elements of my original
story? Even giving them a 50/50 chance each of being chosen at
random you get a 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/16 chance of them
all being picked for the same episode, but given that the
writer could have chosen literally anything out of hundreds of
elements the chances are far less.
You wrote a plot outline (not a story, a plot outline) about a
genetic lab that was making rabid dogs under the control of dog
headed aliens. Because you made them dog headed aliens, you
called them Anubians and from there made a logical link to secret
chambers under the Egyptian pyramids.
To be fair, your justification for a pyramid was better than
this story's. However to the best of my recollection it was the
genetic lab that was under siege in your outline. The Doctor
just investigated the Pyramids.
Nope. The genetics labs in England that were growing aliens for an
army and making weapons of mass destruction for them to use were
taken out by UNIT and the the action moved to Egypt (and other
alien facilities in other countries) where the UN invaded the alien
held pyramid in order to stop the aliens in their tracks.
From The Dogs of War "The TARDIS materialises in Egypt. The Doctor,
Lara and the Colonel step out and join the Egyptian contingent of
UNIT in Geza. They head for the pyramids and start to explore them
when they get there. They make their way to one of the runnels
leading to the hidden chambers and discover the remains of the
scientists with their throats torn out. The sarcophagi that were
around them have now dissipated. The Doctor and his companions
continue, under armed escort."
In what way does "The Doctor, Lara .... the Colonel .. join the
Egyptian contingent of UNIT ... head for the pyramids and start to
explore them when they get there" differ from "The Doctor just
investigated the Pyramids"?
In the fact that this is being done with the support of the the Egyptian
contingent of UNIT which they have joined before they head for the pyramid.
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You just quoted your own words and proved that Pyramids were NOT
"under siege" in your outline!
Poppycock.

"The Doctor asks Colonel Lethbridge-Stewart to contact his sister Kate
to authorise a deployment of UNIT forces in Egypt around the pyramids. ... "

Addressing the Anubians inside the pyramid "The Doctor tells them they
and their bases around the world have been located by going though
Sirius Biotechnologies' records or shipments and they have now been
surrounded by UNIT forces and they can't go anywhere."

The Anubians' bases includes their key base which of course is the pyramid.

"Everyone underneath the pyramid has been anaesthetised. The Doctor
stayed conscious longer because his respiratory bypass allowed him to
absorb enough pure air until the gas almost cleared. All over the world
UNIT troops move in on the Anubian bases using the same tactics and
nullify the threat."
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From the Hounds from Hell "Professor Miles the head of operations
of Sirius is addressing a public meeting in the Village Hall in
order to reassure people that the projects Sirius is working on and
not dangerous and will not harm the environment.
Rumours have it that genetically modified pollen is causing
significant changes to vegetation and some of the cloned animals
have escaped from the laboratory and made it into the wild."
(see the omnibus edition which I will republish later)
Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness have used exactly the same main
elements in their story brief as I did and the question is where
did they come from?
In what way is a cloning lab that is making rabid dogs at the behest of fog
The lab isn't making rabid dogs. It making Anubian clones who happen to
look like dogs.
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headed aliens notably similar to a lab accident at a food plant
generating a biohazard?
The Hounds from Hell
"Rumours have it that genetically modified pollen is causing significant
changes to vegetation and some of the cloned animals have escaped from
the laboratory and made it into the wild. "
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As I already agreed, there are a couple of minor points of
coincidence. The rest is in your head.
You are deranged.
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It's a fun coincidence that where your plot line was about
aliens running genetic experiments and having a secret base in
the Egyptian pyramids, the televised story was about aliens
messing about in a fake pyramid while a totally unconnected
accident was taking place in a food lab.
You can imagine all the points of similarity you like, but
really it's just 2 very remotely similar settings, with no plot
similarities.
How could Stephen Moffat and Peter Harness have come up with the
same main elements for their story brief as I did just be
coincidence?
As I already agreed, there are a couple of minor points of
coincidence. The rest is in your head.
You are deranged.
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Like you said the fact that my aliens had dog heads meant that it
would follow that they should be based inside an Egyptian pyramid
and that's more or less how I came up with the setting of that as
their base.
How does a pyramid fit in with Moffat and Harness's story? The
aliens don't even look like mummies. They're corpses.
What was Moffat's brief. How did he end up with a pyramid under
siege by the UN and a bio-lab creating a WMDs?
Moffat had a pyramid under siege. You didn't.
Yes I did. The Doctor made a point of having it surrounded. "The Doctor
asks Colonel Lethbridge-Stewart to contact his sister Kate to authorise
a deployment of UNIT forces in Egypt around the pyramids. ... "
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Moffat had a biological
agent created by accident. You had modified animals and plants as
part of a terraforming exercise by aliens.
It makes little difference. The GM pollen in my story caused changes to
the plants outside. The biological agent in Moffat's caused the plants
in the lab to die.
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The young ladies in question are highly attractive, their
awkward dating
The dogs were nothing of the kind.
There were no dogs. The dogs were in your fanfic outline,
remember? Not this story.
Well given that they've copied all the other main elements of my
story why not the dogs are well?
They didn't copy any. Sorry
But they did. Let's compromised and say they incorporated elements from
my story.
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vaguely resembles my own recollections (though mine weren't
gay). They were very relatable and sympathetic. You're
looking through some self centred lens where you think
lesbianism is only acceptable if you personally perv at it.
If Moffat wants to do lesbians then at least make them both
attractive and make it subtle. This lesbian scene did not
progress the story in any way and was only there to offend
people.
No, it was there to add some personal depth to Bill's character.
It offended no one at all, except you.
Depth? What depth. It showed the to be a lesbian and we already
knew that from the first episode so it added nothing but offence.
It offended no one at all, except you.
It offended the majority of viewers. Just look at the ratings.
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It was showing you Bill's coping mechanism - overwhelmed by the
Her what?
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wonder and strangeness of her new life as the Doctor's companion, she
Sentimentalist poppycock.
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reaches out to share it with a potential new partner. She needs a new
relationship to be honest, even if it sounds insane. She needs her
unique relationship with the Doctor to have some external validation
and acceptance.
It's all moronic made totally ridiculous by the fact she's gay.

What the hell is she doing with the Doctor if she doesn't fancy men?

At least Captain Jack and the 9th and 10th Doctors were both men so
there would be some credibility for him being there but Bill has no
reason to love the Doctor whatsoever. He's no father to her and she's gay.
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That depth. You're so busy trying to burst a blood vessel over a
single character trait that you're missing everything else.
Depth? There isn't any depth to this story at all. It's unmitigated
irrational sentimentalist codswallop.
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There's no Tin dog and no Polynesia in this series of Doctor
Who, so you're either hallucinating or childishly attempting
to be gratuitously insulting. Which?
The tin dog which relentlessly follows the Doctor around and
escaping from her kennel, I mean the TARDIS when she's told to
stay there is Bill, and Polynesia perched on his shoulder is
Nardole.
So, childishly attempting to be gratuitously insulting then. Glad
we could clear that up.
The insult is to the intelligence of the viewers by the portraying
one of the companions as nothing more than a tin dog and the other
as nothing more than a parrot.
Seriously. CT scan mate. You're mixing your delusions with reality.
You are totally deranged.
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If you want to talk about characterisation given to Bill or
Nardole, try referring to them by name and then I'll be more
than happy to try to explain it to you. I'll try to use small
words, but unfortunately I won't be able to avoid using some
you don't know the meaning of.
So I will take it from that that you agree with me that both a
cardboard cut outs with little or no characterisation
whatsoever and are unnecessary for the progression of any of
this series' stories.
How can you take affirmation of your preposterous and self
evidently false view from my simple request that you refer to
characters by name if you want to discuss them? You are either
deluded or just trying to lie your way out of having to be
half-respectful to other people. Which?
Since you have not challenged my assertion of them being cardboard
cut outs who server no purpose at all I take it you agree with me.
Deluded then. Glad we could clear that up.
You are totally deranged.
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I've done nothing but challenge your loopy assertions. Since you're
You're the PC loony not me.
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too infantile to even refer to them by name, you can't even agree on
who we're talking about. Nardole is much more of a cypher than a
He is a foil, allowing the Doctor to inform the audience of things
without having to overuse the "talking to himself" device.
He is the Doctor's conscience or sense of responsibility, tempering
the Doctor's mercurial nature and keeping him on the straight and
narrow as he tries to fulfil a thousand year commitment to keep Missy
imprisoned.
Why do you think I've called him Polynesia. Look up Doctor Doolittle.
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He is a butler and factotum, although in an inverse sense to Jeeves
and Wooster. He is highly empowered though - he can fly the TARDIS
solo, a gift granted to very few.
And yes, he is the comic relief at times, which is nice as it allows
the Doctor to remain more consistently taciturn and not have to break
his own tension or intensity as much. See the "cuddle!" moment in
"Oxygen" for a fine example.
See Doctor Doolittle.
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You're inventing things that aren't needed and then
complaining they're not there. This was supposed to be a GM
crop lab not the CDC.
Yer If this was a normal chemistry lab or GM research centre
there would be nothing preventing a bio-toxin from escaping,
nothing, because GM labs do not manufacture mechanical and
biological weapons. They would not even be under the same level
of precaution as a medical lab studying deadly viruses and
bacteria would be.
You're wrong. People are (rightly or wrongly) quite paranoid
about GM organisms and take extensive precautions to prevent
their products getting out into the wild.
You mean like growing GM crops along side ordinary crops in the
nearby field, OUTDOORS?
Dependent on the specific crop's propagation method, and once the
crops safety has been assured to the best possible extent, what's
wrong with that?
What's wrong with that? Everything.
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And like allowing GM animals to urinate outside as well and
untreated urine into the sewers?
Are you under the illusion that urine and feces will cause other
organisms to genetically mutate? It seems that "biology" and
"genetics" may belong on the list of words you don't understand!
We are talking about the urine of this GM animals containing hormones
and steroids which could be harmful to other life.
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Why didn't the virus affect the Doctor? Where is the on
screen explanation?
You don't need an explanation for why the Doctor ISN'T
vulnerable to a chemical, biological or mildly radioactive
attack. Timelords are notoriously robust - this was
established in Pertwee's day.
Poppycock. Most current viewers have not watched every episode
since Jon Pertwee. Where is the explanation for why the Doctor
hasn't been infected?
Most people understand that the Doctor is unaffected, or at
least less badly affected, by deadly things than a human. We last
saw this in"Oxygen" when he wound up blind but not dead.
Oh yes, Superdaredevil... Ridiculous. Where was the explanation
then and where is it now? Nowhere.
He's an alien. A Timelord. They have two hearts, three brainstems, a
secondary circulation system, and slough redundant or unexpressed
genes to allow them to bounce back from DEATH with an entirely new
phenotype and indeed gender. How much more explanation do you need? A
three year course leading to a degree in fake xenobiology?
So he has all of these powers and yet he's been blinded in Oxygen, but
why wasn't he blinded in Four to Doomsday? And now he's got the super
power of being immune to this particular biogen which he's never even
encountered before so how does he know he would be immune?

The writing in this series is totally inconsistent and atrocious.
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some other knee jerk response because it's not some Baywatch
babe for you to feel inadequate about or a big, hairy Greek
guy for you to lust over?
More proof of you being racist and homophobic just like the
majority of PC loonies all full of prejudices.
I have nothing against the fact that you're of Greek descent or
that you have these homosexual desires. Each to their own. So
that's not me being racist or homophobic, is it? You're just
being silly.
Yes it is. You are accusing Greeks of being homosexual because they
are Greek. That is racism by definition, ie. associating traits in
individualise based on their race.
Your language is loaded with biased terms. Why do you use the word
"accuse"? Would you say I "accuse" someone of having grey hair, or I
"accuse" them of coming from Croydon? Making an observation, without
judgemental bias or intent, is not racist. It's just a comment.
You were doing nothing of the type.
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And I wasn't suggesting that all Greeks are homosexual - just that
You were implying being Greek meant being gay by association.
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their culture has traditionally embraced it. That's not a bad thing,
as far as I'm concerned, even though I'm not gay myself.
It didn't embrace homosexuality. It tolerated it.
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Consent? I don't not consent to Stephen Moffat offending me
by showing lesbianism between two ugly actresses.
They aren't ugly, no "lesbianism" was even shown (just two
pretty
They look like dogs so they are ugly. One of the dogs was
yelping of they other one so it was showing lesbianism.
Seriously. CT scan. Your hallucinations are a worrying symptom.
You are deranged.
I'm not the one hallucinating dogs, mate.
I'm not hallucinating anything.
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young women on a date). The OFF switch is right there. I
don't want
If they were two women on a date then they were lesbians.
So? No lesbian acts were portrayed.
They were chatting each other up. Heterosexual women don't chat
each other up.
Talking, even flirting, is not a lesbian act. It's just conversation.
Oh, like a woman flirts with a woman for what purpose?
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I'm not suggesting the girls weren't lesbian. However, the real point
is that it doesn't matter to most people. It's just a point of
information that doesn't make them any less engaging to watch.
It was offensive because it was before the watershed and in a family
show just like showing two people in bed making love or swearing would
have been offensive if shown before the watershed or in a family show.
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to see hairy Greek blokes lusting after each other so stop
trying to make me. I'd probably stop watching the show if it
got too "in my face".
I'm not making your trying to do anything.
You're the one who doesn't want to see women or bald white men.
I loved Kojak who was played be Telle Savalas. Ule Brinner was
another of my favourite actors.
What I said was I don't want to see ugly people on TV, especially
ones in homosexual relationships.
Why? Why shouldn't all life be portrayed on TV? I would have thought
you'd be all for someone you personally could relate to being on
screen.
You are a complete and utter imbecile.

Normally people do not enjoy going around being nosy into other peoples
love lives. The only reason why it can be tolerated in the movies or TV
is if the actors are attractive.
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You are a sick totally deranged racist homophobe.
I have nothing against the fact that you're of Greek descent or
that you have these homosexual desires. Each to their own. So
that's not me being racist or homophobic, is it? You're just
being silly.
You are accusing Greeks of being homosexual because they are Greek.
That is racism by definition, ie. associating traits in
individualise based on their race.
I explained how you're wrong already in this thread. No need to repeat it.
Your explanation does not justify your behaviour.
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It was showing you Bill's coping mechanism - overwhelmed by the
Her what?
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wonder and strangeness of her new life as the Doctor's companion, she
Sentimentalist poppycock.
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reaches out to share it with a potential new partner. She needs a new
relationship to be honest, even if it sounds insane. She needs her
unique relationship with the Doctor to have some external validation
and acceptance.
It's all moronic made totally ridiculous by the fact she's gay.
What the hell is she doing with the Doctor if she doesn't fancy men?
They're friends. You don't need to fancy someone to be friends with
them. (You would know that if you'd ever had any friends of your own.)
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At least Captain Jack and the 9th and 10th Doctors were both men so
there would be some credibility for him being there but Bill has no
reason to love the Doctor whatsoever. He's no father to her and she's gay.
There are other types of love. (You would know that if you'd ever
felt love.)

(*SNIP*)
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Talking, even flirting, is not a lesbian act. It's just conversation.
Oh, like a woman flirts with a woman for what purpose?
Flirting doesn't _have_ to mean anything. It can be just banter.
(Look at how straight men jokingly flirt with each other for a laugh.)

In this case, Bill's flirting _did_ mean something, but that's because
of the meaning, not the flirting.
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Normally people do not enjoy going around being nosy into other peoples
love lives.
And that's why you don't get invited to many dinner parties. Most
people love a juicy bit of gossip.
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It was showing you Bill's coping mechanism - overwhelmed by the
Her what?
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wonder and strangeness of her new life as the Doctor's companion, she
Sentimentalist poppycock.
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reaches out to share it with a potential new partner. She needs a new
relationship to be honest, even if it sounds insane. She needs her
unique relationship with the Doctor to have some external validation
and acceptance.
It's all moronic made totally ridiculous by the fact she's gay.
What the hell is she doing with the Doctor if she doesn't fancy men?
They're friends. You don't need to fancy someone to be friends with
them. (You would know that if you'd ever had any friends of your own.)
You are a total moron. You don't make friends with members of the
opposite sex unless you fancy them.
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At least Captain Jack and the 9th and 10th Doctors were both men so
there would be some credibility for him being there but Bill has no
reason to love the Doctor whatsoever. He's no father to her and she's gay.
There are other types of love. (You would know that if you'd ever
felt love.)
She's not in love with him. She's a lesbian. Lesbians don't love members
of the opposite sex.
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(*SNIP*)
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Talking, even flirting, is not a lesbian act. It's just conversation.
Oh, like a woman flirts with a woman for what purpose?
Flirting doesn't _have_ to mean anything. It can be just banter.
(Look at how straight men jokingly flirt with each other for a laugh.)
In this case, Bill's flirting _did_ mean something, but that's because
of the meaning, not the flirting.
You've totally lost me. She's a lesbian. I am heterosexual and what the
scene portrayed was vile and offensive. If you want to do lesbianism
properly then watch Buffy. These writers don't have a clue. Rule number
1. Don't pick actors who look like dogs if you want the audience to
identify or empathise with them especially if they're lesbians.
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Normally people do not enjoy going around being nosy into other peoples
love lives.
And that's why you don't get invited to many dinner parties. Most
people love a juicy bit of gossip.
Not about people they don't know and never will know who's sitting on
the table opposite to them in a restaurant. They stick to their own
business.
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It's all moronic made totally ridiculous by the fact she's gay.
What the hell is she doing with the Doctor if she doesn't fancy men?
They're friends. You don't need to fancy someone to be friends with
them. (You would know that if you'd ever had any friends of your own.)
You are a total moron. You don't make friends with members of the
opposite sex unless you fancy them.
Again, this is classic asexual-in-denial territory. We find it hard
to make friends because we feel alienated in an incresingly sexual
society. I understand. I know how you feel.

It's as if, in your teenage years, you were transported to a parallel
universe, exactly like your original one except that everyone enjoys
eating live spiders. They can't see anything odd or grotesque about it
and you slowly realised that more and more aspects of their lves and
society are built around this obsession for live-spider-eating.

You know that you haven't changed. You're still the same person you
always were. You're still normal, but they think you're the odd one
for not sharing their love of spider-eating.

You tried to fit in. Convince dyourself that you will eat live spiders
some day, when you get the courage. You just haven't seen any that
look tasty yet. you just keep telling yourself that, and ignore the
fact that you don't really feel the same way that others do about this.

Looked at that way, it is hard for us to make friends. The only way is
if we accept that we're just not spider-eaters, and hope that other
people can accept us for who we are.

Replace "eating spiders" with "sex", and that's the story of our lives,
isn't it?

Look, Agamemnon, I know the two of us have had our disagreements over
the years. We've both said things we probably shouldn't have. But I'm
offering you the hand of friendship now. If you ever need a comforting
ear to listen as you try to come to terms with your sexual identity, I
will be there for you, giving you my support and my experience. No
tricks, no trolling. You need a friend. I can be it.

What do you say?
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At least Captain Jack and the 9th and 10th Doctors were both men so
there would be some credibility for him being there but Bill has no
reason to love the Doctor whatsoever. He's no father to her and she's gay.
There are other types of love. (You would know that if you'd ever
felt love.)
She's not in love with him.
Yes, that's right. She's not _in love_ with him. She loves him.
There's a difference.
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She's a lesbian. Lesbians don't love members
of the opposite sex.
Wrong. Lesbians aren't sexually attracted to members of the opposite
sex. (Well, some lesbians aren't sexually attracted to members of the
opposite sex; some aren't attracted to members of the opposite gender;
and some aren't attracted to either. Sexual identity is complicated.)

But lesbians _can_ love members of the opposite sex. You can love
someone without wanting to have sex with them. For example, everyone
loves kittens and - despite what you may think - hardly anyone wants
to have sex with them.

Bill loves the Doctor as a friend, and she loves what he brings to her
life, to her world. That doesn't
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(*SNIP*)
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Talking, even flirting, is not a lesbian act. It's just conversation.
Oh, like a woman flirts with a woman for what purpose?
Flirting doesn't _have_ to mean anything. It can be just banter.
(Look at how straight men jokingly flirt with each other for a laugh.)
In this case, Bill's flirting _did_ mean something, but that's because
of the meaning, not the flirting.
You've totally lost me.
I'm afraid that probably says more about youi than about lesbians.
Sorry.
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She's a lesbian. I am heterosexual and what the
scene portrayed was vile and offensive.
To asexuals like us, all sex feels vile and ofensive.

To stretch the spider-eating analogy to breaking point, the difference
between lesbianism, heterosexuality, homosexuality, etc. is just a
question of _which_ live spiders people just happen to want to eat.
The idea that some are more vile and offensive but the others aren't
is just plain silly.
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Normally people do not enjoy going around being nosy into other peoples
love lives.
And that's why you don't get invited to many dinner parties. Most
people love a juicy bit of gossip.
Not about people they don't know and never will know who's sitting on
the table opposite to them in a restaurant. They stick to their own
business.
I'm not sure what restaurant tables have to do with anything. (Maybe
you think all dinner parties take place in restaurants?)

Anyway, once again, this is classic asexual behaviour. We aren't very
interested in gossip about people's sex lives, because we just aren't
interested in sex lives, full stop. Sexual people feel differently,
for obvious reasons.
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It's all moronic made totally ridiculous by the fact she's gay.
What the hell is she doing with the Doctor if she doesn't fancy men?
They're friends. You don't need to fancy someone to be friends with
them. (You would know that if you'd ever had any friends of your own.)
You are a total moron. You don't make friends with members of the
opposite sex unless you fancy them.
Again, this is classic asexual-in-denial territory. We find it hard
to make friends because we feel alienated in an incresingly sexual
society. I understand. I know how you feel.
Most of my best friends are current or ex girlfriends.
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It's as if, in your teenage years, you were transported to a parallel
universe, exactly like your original one except that everyone enjoys
eating live spiders. They can't see anything odd or grotesque about it
and you slowly realised that more and more aspects of their lves and
society are built around this obsession for live-spider-eating.
You are insane.
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Replace "eating spiders" with "sex", and that's the story of our lives,
isn't it?
Yours maybe.
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Look, Agamemnon, I know the two of us have had our disagreements over
the years. We've both said things we probably shouldn't have. But I'm
offering you the hand of friendship now. If you ever need a comforting
ear to listen as you try to come to terms with your sexual identity, I
will be there for you, giving you my support and my experience. No
tricks, no trolling. You need a friend. I can be it.
What do you say?
I am heterosexual. I prefer the company of women I find attractive to men.
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At least Captain Jack and the 9th and 10th Doctors were both men so
there would be some credibility for him being there but Bill has no
reason to love the Doctor whatsoever. He's no father to her and she's gay.
There are other types of love. (You would know that if you'd ever
felt love.)
She's not in love with him.
Yes, that's right. She's not _in love_ with him. She loves him.
There's a difference.
It doesn't work. If you want romance done properly read Edgar Rice
Burroughs. Bill is nothing more than the Doctor's tin dog and making her
a lesbian dog and starting the episode with her yelping at another one
totally made it impossible for any possible thought of love between her
and the Doctor. If you want to do a story where the protagonist thinks
they love one person but really loves their best friend then read "A
Fighting Man of Mars" by Edgar Rice Burroughs.
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She's a lesbian. Lesbians don't love members
of the opposite sex.
Wrong. Lesbians aren't sexually attracted to members of the opposite
sex. (Well, some lesbians aren't sexually attracted to members of the
opposite sex; some aren't attracted to members of the opposite gender;
and some aren't attracted to either. Sexual identity is complicated.)
But lesbians _can_ love members of the opposite sex. You can love
someone without wanting to have sex with them. For example, everyone
loves kittens and - despite what you may think - hardly anyone wants
to have sex with them.
Bill loves the Doctor as a friend, and she loves what he brings to her
life, to her world. That doesn't
The story doesn't work based on pseudo-platonic love especially with
effectively zero character development and making the character a
lesbian. Go and read Synthetic Men of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs to
see it done properly.
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(*SNIP*)
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Talking, even flirting, is not a lesbian act. It's just conversation.
Oh, like a woman flirts with a woman for what purpose?
Flirting doesn't _have_ to mean anything. It can be just banter.
(Look at how straight men jokingly flirt with each other for a laugh.)
In this case, Bill's flirting _did_ mean something, but that's because
of the meaning, not the flirting.
You've totally lost me.
I'm afraid that probably says more about youi than about lesbians.
Sorry.
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She's a lesbian. I am heterosexual and what the
scene portrayed was vile and offensive.
To asexuals like us, all sex feels vile and ofensive.
You're the asexual not me and there wasn't any sex shown.

The relationship the scene portrayed was unpleasent and offensive just
like the gay relationship in Class which at least was shown long after
the watershed.
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To stretch the spider-eating analogy to breaking point, the difference
between lesbianism, heterosexuality, homosexuality, etc. is just a
question of _which_ live spiders people just happen to want to eat.
The idea that some are more vile and offensive but the others aren't
is just plain silly.
Idiotic poppycock. Two ugly women courting each other is vile and
offensive. Make them both attractive and not complete and utter morons
and write the relationships properly and it might be watchable.
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Normally people do not enjoy going around being nosy into other peoples
love lives.
And that's why you don't get invited to many dinner parties. Most
people love a juicy bit of gossip.
Not about people they don't know and never will know who's sitting on
the table opposite to them in a restaurant. They stick to their own
business.
I'm not sure what restaurant tables have to do with anything. (Maybe
you think all dinner parties take place in restaurants?)
Fool. People don't go to eat at restaurants to nose into the affairs of
other customers.
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Anyway, once again, this is classic asexual behaviour. We aren't very
interested in gossip about people's sex lives, because we just aren't
interested in sex lives, full stop. Sexual people feel differently,
for obvious reasons.
You are insane. Most people don't give a stuff about other peoples sex
lives because they respect other people's privacy.
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2017-05-30 12:59:33 UTC
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I am heterosexual. I prefer the company of women I find
attractive to men.
Friendly tip: A real heterosexual would've just said "women
I find attractive." When you add on the "to men," it gives
away that you don't really find them attractive to yourself.

Cheers.
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2017-05-30 13:04:00 UTC
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I am heterosexual. I prefer the company of women I find
attractive to men.
Friendly tip: A real heterosexual would've just said "women
I find attractive." When you add on the "to men," it gives
away that you don't really find them attractive to yourself.
Cheers.
Idiot. I meant as opposed to men.
solar penguin
2017-05-30 13:20:22 UTC
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I am heterosexual. I prefer the company of women I find
attractive to men.
Friendly tip: A real heterosexual would've just said "women
I find attractive." When you add on the "to men," it gives
away that you don't really find them attractive to yourself.
Cheers.
Idiot. I meant as opposed to men.
That's the thing about Freudian slips. They give away what your
subconscious is really thinking, instead of what you meant to say.
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2017-05-30 13:28:21 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
I am heterosexual. I prefer the company of women I find
attractive to men.
Friendly tip: A real heterosexual would've just said "women
I find attractive." When you add on the "to men," it gives
away that you don't really find them attractive to yourself.
Cheers.
Idiot. I meant as opposed to men.
That's the thing about Freudian slips. They give away what your
subconscious is really thinking, instead of what you meant to say.
You are insane.
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2017-05-30 13:49:17 UTC
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Most of my best friends are current or ex girlfriends.
Wow! You have been wild!:) Do you have more than one current girlfriend?
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2017-05-30 15:23:26 UTC
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Most of my best friends are current or ex girlfriends.
Wow! You have been wild!:) Do you have more than one current girlfriend?
No. I read .. Ex-girlfriends and current girlfriend.
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Most of my best friends are current or ex girlfriends.
Wow! You have been wild!:) Do you have more than one current girlfriend?
No. I read .. Ex-girlfriends and current girlfriend.
Given that he thinks recent episodes of Doctor Who have been peppered with
parrots and gay dogs, I assumed he meant his best friends were currants.
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2017-05-30 15:45:03 UTC
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Most of my best friends are current or ex girlfriends.
Wow! You have been wild!:) Do you have more than one current girlfriend?
No. I read .. Ex-girlfriends and current girlfriend.
Given that he thinks recent episodes of Doctor Who have been peppered with
parrots and gay dogs, I assumed he meant his best friends were currants.
You would.
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Most of my best friends are current or ex girlfriends.
Wow! You have been wild!:) Do you have more than one current girlfriend?
No. I read .. Ex-girlfriends and current girlfriend.
Given that he thinks recent episodes of Doctor Who have been peppered with
parrots and gay dogs, I assumed he meant his best friends were currants.
You would.
He's been drinking again as usual.
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2017-05-30 15:59:46 UTC
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Most of my best friends are current or ex girlfriends.
Wow! You have been wild!:) Do you have more than one current girlfriend?
No. I read .. Ex-girlfriends and current girlfriend.
Given that he thinks recent episodes of Doctor Who have been peppered with
parrots and gay dogs, I assumed he meant his best friends were currants.
You would.
He's been drinking again as usual.
I'm not the one who hallucinated gay dogs.
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2017-05-30 16:26:06 UTC
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Most of my best friends are current or ex girlfriends.
Wow! You have been wild!:) Do you have more than one current girlfriend?
No. I read .. Ex-girlfriends and current girlfriend.
Given that he thinks recent episodes of Doctor Who have been peppered with
parrots and gay dogs, I assumed he meant his best friends were currants.
You would.
He's been drinking again as usual.
I'm not the one who hallucinated gay dogs.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/dog
" 9.
Slang. an ugly, boring, or crude person."

Now sober up.

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2017-05-30 15:58:16 UTC
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2017-05-29 16:31:01 UTC
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[Snip Aggy confusing "cordon" and "raid" with "siege".]

Actually, thinking about it, I've just noticed two more similarities
between your outline and this story!

In neither one was anything under siege!

Also, there were no Daleks in either one!
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In what way is a cloning lab that is making rabid dogs at the behest of fog
The lab isn't making rabid dogs. It making Anubian clones who happen to
look like dogs.
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headed aliens notably similar to a lab accident at a food plant
generating a biohazard?
The Hounds from Hell
"Rumours have it that genetically modified pollen is causing significant
changes to vegetation and some of the cloned animals have escaped from
the laboratory and made it into the wild. "
Cloning alien animals and plants is NOT, in any way, the same idea as an
accidental biochemical outbreak.
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As I already agreed, there are a couple of minor points of
coincidence. The rest is in your head.
You are deranged.
I'm not the one hallucinating about gay dogs.
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There were no dogs. The dogs were in your fanfic outline,
remember? Not this story.
Well given that they've copied all the other main elements of my
story why not the dogs are well?
They didn't copy any. Sorry
But they did. Let's compromised and say they incorporated elements from
my story.
Let's compromise and let you believe that if it makes you feel happy.

But remember, you are only hallucinating about the gay dogs.
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Depth? What depth. It showed the to be a lesbian and we already
knew that from the first episode so it added nothing but offence.
It offended no one at all, except you.
It offended the majority of viewers. Just look at the ratings.
So the lower a programme's ratings, the more offensive it is. I see. Gosh,
Songs of Praise must be VILE!
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It was showing you Bill's coping mechanism - overwhelmed by the
Her what?
If you don't understand human psychology at all, there's no wonder you
don't "get" most of the character byplay in Doctor Who. Bill has a little
bit of culture shock - it's the first time I can recall that this has been
done in the show, certainly for a "contemporary" companion. (well, apart
from Katarina, and that hardly counts)
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wonder and strangeness of her new life as the Doctor's companion, she
Sentimentalist poppycock.
Yeah. Human emotions. Yucky. Let's have sexless pulp plot only fiction!
Would that be almost easy enough for you to understand?
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reaches out to share it with a potential new partner. She needs a new
relationship to be honest, even if it sounds insane. She needs her
unique relationship with the Doctor to have some external validation
and acceptance.
It's all moronic made totally ridiculous by the fact she's gay.
What the hell is she doing with the Doctor if she doesn't fancy men?
Do you really believe all human relationships have to revolve around sexual
attraction? Is that due to your personal isolation?
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At least Captain Jack and the 9th and 10th Doctors were both men so
there would be some credibility for him being there but Bill has no
reason to love the Doctor whatsoever. He's no father to her and she's gay.
She's in love with the idea of who he is, and what he can do. She's star
struck.
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The insult is to the intelligence of the viewers by the portraying
one of the companions as nothing more than a tin dog and the other
as nothing more than a parrot.
Seriously. CT scan mate. You're mixing your delusions with reality.
You are totally deranged.
I'm not the one hallucinating about gay dogs.
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Since you have not challenged my assertion of them being cardboard
cut outs who server no purpose at all I take it you agree with me.
Deluded then. Glad we could clear that up.
You are totally deranged.
I'm not the one hallucinating about gay dogs.
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I've done nothing but challenge your loopy assertions. Since you're
too infantile to even refer to them by name, you can't even agree on
who we're talking about. Nardole is much more of a cypher than a
He is a foil, allowing the Doctor to inform the audience of things
without having to overuse the "talking to himself" device.
He is the Doctor's conscience or sense of responsibility, tempering
the Doctor's mercurial nature and keeping him on the straight and
narrow as he tries to fulfil a thousand year commitment to keep Missy
imprisoned.
Why do you think I've called him Polynesia. Look up Doctor Doolittle.
Your claim was that he was actually a parrot. This is far more complex.
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And like allowing GM animals to urinate outside as well and
untreated urine into the sewers?
Are you under the illusion that urine and feces will cause other
organisms to genetically mutate? It seems that "biology" and
"genetics" may belong on the list of words you don't understand!
We are talking about the urine of this GM animals containing hormones
and steroids which could be harmful to other life.
Ah. "Biology" and "genetics" DO belong on the list of words you don't
understand!

The urine of most animals contain hormones and steroids. GM is unlikely to
significantly change those.
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He's an alien. A Timelord. They have two hearts, three brainstems, a
secondary circulation system, and slough redundant or unexpressed
genes to allow them to bounce back from DEATH with an entirely new
phenotype and indeed gender. How much more explanation do you need? A
three year course leading to a degree in fake xenobiology?
So he has all of these powers and yet he's been blinded in Oxygen, but
why wasn't he blinded in Four to Doomsday? And now he's got the super
power of being immune to this particular biogen which he's never even
encountered before so how does he know he would be immune?
How long have you been watching Doctor Who? Seven minutes?

Timelords are resilient. The "Oxygen" blindness came down to length of
exposure. The Doctor's default assumption is that he will be OK, until he
isn't. He extemporises at every occasion and deals with the next thing. His
plan is usually to wait and see if he needs a plan.
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Your language is loaded with biased terms. Why do you use the word
"accuse"? Would you say I "accuse" someone of having grey hair, or I
"accuse" them of coming from Croydon? Making an observation, without
judgemental bias or intent, is not racist. It's just a comment.
You were doing nothing of the type.
Of WHAT type? Your response does not relate to my comments.
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And I wasn't suggesting that all Greeks are homosexual - just that
You were implying being Greek meant being gay by association.
No, I wasn't. I was suggesting that you might be gay, based on the
preferences you were stating, but sp and your responses to sp made me
realise I was not necessarily correct.
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their culture has traditionally embraced it. That's not a bad thing,
It didn't embrace homosexuality. It tolerated it.
You're still in denial. I've no idea why.
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They look like dogs so they are ugly. One of the dogs was
yelping of they other one
Seriously. CT scan. Your hallucinations are a worrying symptom.
You are deranged.
I'm not the one hallucinating dogs, mate.
I'm not hallucinating anything.
You're hallucinating gay dogs. There weren't any.
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young women on a date). The OFF switch is right there. I
don't want
If they were two women on a date then they were lesbians.
So? No lesbian acts were portrayed.
They were chatting each other up. Heterosexual women don't chat
each other up.
Talking, even flirting, is not a lesbian act. It's just conversation.
Oh, like a woman flirts with a woman for what purpose?
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I'm not suggesting the girls weren't lesbian. However, the real point
is that it doesn't matter to most people. It's just a point of
information that doesn't make them any less engaging to watch.
It was offensive because it was before the watershed and in a family
show just like showing two people in bed making love or swearing would
have been offensive if shown before the watershed or in a family show.
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to see hairy Greek blokes lusting after each other so stop
trying to make me. I'd probably stop watching the show if it
got too "in my face".
I'm not making your trying to do anything.
You're the one who doesn't want to see women or bald white men.
I loved Kojak who was played be Telle Savalas. Ule Brinner was
another of my favourite actors.
What I said was I don't want to see ugly people on TV, especially
ones in homosexual relationships.
Why? Why shouldn't all life be portrayed on TV? I would have thought
you'd be all for someone you personally could relate to being on
screen.
You are a complete and utter imbecile.
O
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Normally people do not enjoy going around being nosy into other peoples
love lives. The only reason why it can be tolerated in the movies or TV
is if the actors are attractive.
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You are a sick totally deranged racist homophobe.
I have nothing against the fact that you're of Greek descent or
that you have these homosexual desires. Each to their own. So
that's not me being racist
You are accusing Greeks of being homosexual because they are Greek.
That is racism by definition, ie. associating traits in
individualise based on their race.
I explained how you're wrong already in this thread. No need to repeat it.
Your explanation does not justify your behaviour.
What "behaviour"? I can't help that you refuse to accept that Greek culture
has traditionally been inclusive. I just made a comment based on a well
known trope. There's nothing racist about it.
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(Biology isn't marked as "NEW" because it was already on there.)

Accurate
Alphabet
Agree
And
Androgynous
Area
Aren't
Asexual
Bestiality
Between
Biology
Bisexual
Cameo
Can (as in "be able to")
Cat
Cavemen
Character development
Chattel
Cheep
Child Mollester (sic)
Children
Citation / Cite
Comic
Comment
Communist
Companion
Con
Concede
Consensus
Consent <----<<< **NEW**
Cordon <----<<< **NEW**
Cornwall
Corroborate
Definition
Deify
Demonstrated
Derivation
Derogatory
Dictionary
Dinosaur
Discrepancy
Dissemble
Dragon
Ecologists
Empowering
Ethnic
Everyone
Evidence
Extraordinary
Fact
Farce
Follow
Fool
Genetics <----<<< **NEW**
Gentleman
Goal (as in policy objective)
Gods
Guest star
Haven't been
Hellenist / Hellenistic
Hieroglyph / Hieroglyphics
Historical fact
Ideology
Idiot
Ignorant
Illiterate
Inconsistent
Inspiration
Insult
Jap
Legend
Listening
Literate
Living History
Maaori
Macedonia
Majority
Masturbation
Method acting
Modern
Monotheism
Moorish
Myth
Name / Named
Nazi
Nepotism
Nobody
Offensive
Oral tradition
Pantomime
Parody
Pirating
Plot
Policy
Primary source
Projection
Pronoun
Proof
Proofreader
Les Propheties (yes, French words too!)
Proselytise
Pterodactyl
Raid <----<<< **NEW**
Rape
Rational
Same as
Science
Scotch
Series
Shown
Siege <----<<< **NEW**
Situation comedy
69 (at least the colloquial meaning)
Slapstick
Slave / Slavery
Soap (as in Soap Opera)
Someone
Statistics
Statutory
Stereotype
Televised
Thriller
Title
Tradition
Twenty years ago
Undisputed
Venerate
Viewing
We
Welsh (as in the language)
Whore
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Young Adult
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(Biology isn't marked as "NEW" because it was already on there.)
Accurate
Alphabet
Agree
And
Androgynous
Area
Aren't
Asexual
Bestiality
Between
Biology
Bisexual
Cameo
Can (as in "be able to")
Cat
Cavemen
Character development
Chattel
Cheep
Child Mollester (sic)
Children
Citation / Cite
Comic
Comment
Communist
Companion
Con
Concede
Consensus
Consent <----<<< **NEW**
Cordon <----<<< **NEW**
Cornwall
Corroborate
Definition
Deify
Demonstrated
Derivation
Derogatory
Dictionary
Dinosaur
Discrepancy
Dissemble
Dragon
Ecologists
Empowering
Ethnic
Everyone
Evidence
Extraordinary
Fact
Farce
Follow
Fool
Genetics <----<<< **NEW**
Gentleman
Goal (as in policy objective)
Gods
Guest star
Haven't been
Hellenist / Hellenistic
Hieroglyph / Hieroglyphics
Historical fact
Ideology
Idiot
Ignorant
Illiterate
Inconsistent
Inspiration
Insult
Jap
Legend
Listening
Literate
Living History
Maaori
Macedonia
Majority
Masturbation
Method acting
Modern
Monotheism
Moorish
Myth
Name / Named
Nazi
Nepotism
Nobody
Offensive
Oral tradition
Pantomime
Parody
Pirating
Plot
Policy
Primary source
Projection
Pronoun
Proof
Proofreader
Les Propheties (yes, French words too!)
Proselytise
Pterodactyl
Raid <----<<< **NEW**
Rape
Rational
Same as
Science
Scotch
Series
Shown
Siege <----<<< **NEW**
Situation comedy
69 (at least the colloquial meaning)
Slapstick
Slave / Slavery
Soap (as in Soap Opera)
Someone
Statistics
Statutory
Stereotype
Televised
Thriller
Title
Tradition
Twenty years ago
Undisputed
Venerate
Viewing
We
Welsh (as in the language)
Whore
Writing
Young Adult
Are you calcuting pi to the last digit while you are at it?
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Are you calcuting pi to the last digit while you are at it?
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Are you calcuting pi to the last digit while you are at it?
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Oh! Well!!
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O.K. Based on Mike's posts, some more words have been added to the list.
(Biology isn't marked as "NEW" because it was already on there.)
Accurate
Alphabet
Agree
And
Androgynous
Area
Aren't
Asexual
Bestiality
Between
Biology
Bisexual
Cameo
Can (as in "be able to")
Cat
Cavemen
Character development
Chattel
Cheep
Child Mollester (sic)
Children
Citation / Cite
Comic
Comment
Communist
Companion
Con
Concede
Consensus
Consent <----<<< **NEW**
Cordon <----<<< **NEW**
Cornwall
Corroborate
Definition
Deify
Demonstrated
Derivation
Derogatory
Dictionary
Dinosaur
Discrepancy
Dissemble
Dragon
Ecologists
Empowering
Ethnic
Everyone
Evidence
Extraordinary
Fact
Farce
Follow
Fool
Genetics <----<<< **NEW**
Gentleman
Goal (as in policy objective)
Gods
Guest star
Haven't been
Hellenist / Hellenistic
Hieroglyph / Hieroglyphics
Historical fact
Ideology
Idiot
Ignorant
Illiterate
Inconsistent
Inspiration
Insult
Jap
Legend
Listening
Literate
Living History
Maaori
Macedonia
Majority
Masturbation
Method acting
Modern
Monotheism
Moorish
Myth
Name / Named
Nazi
Nepotism
Nobody
Offensive
Oral tradition
Pantomime
Parody
Pirating
Plot
Policy
Primary source
Projection
Pronoun
Proof
Proofreader
Les Propheties (yes, French words too!)
Proselytise
Pterodactyl
Raid <----<<< **NEW**
Rape
Rational
Same as
Science
Scotch
Series
Shown
Siege <----<<< **NEW**
Situation comedy
69 (at least the colloquial meaning)
Slapstick
Slave / Slavery
Soap (as in Soap Opera)
Someone
Statistics
Statutory
Stereotype
Televised
Thriller
Title
Tradition
Twenty years ago
Undisputed
Venerate
Viewing
We
Welsh (as in the language)
Whore
Writing
Young Adult
Are you calcuting pi to the last digit while you are at it?
Are you suggesting that, like pi, the list of words Aggy doesn't understand
can go on forever?
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O.K. Based on Mike's posts, some more words have been added to the list.
(Biology isn't marked as "NEW" because it was already on there.)
Accurate
Alphabet
Agree
And
Androgynous
Area
Aren't
Asexual
Bestiality
Between
Biology
Bisexual
Cameo
Can (as in "be able to")
Cat
Cavemen
Character development
Chattel
Cheep
Child Mollester (sic)
Children
Citation / Cite
Comic
Comment
Communist
Companion
Con
Concede
Consensus
Consent <----<<< **NEW**
Cordon <----<<< **NEW**
Cornwall
Corroborate
Definition
Deify
Demonstrated
Derivation
Derogatory
Dictionary
Dinosaur
Discrepancy
Dissemble
Dragon
Ecologists
Empowering
Ethnic
Everyone
Evidence
Extraordinary
Fact
Farce
Follow
Fool
Genetics <----<<< **NEW**
Gentleman
Goal (as in policy objective)
Gods
Guest star
Haven't been
Hellenist / Hellenistic
Hieroglyph / Hieroglyphics
Historical fact
Ideology
Idiot
Ignorant
Illiterate
Inconsistent
Inspiration
Insult
Jap
Legend
Listening
Literate
Living History
Maaori
Macedonia
Majority
Masturbation
Method acting
Modern
Monotheism
Moorish
Myth
Name / Named
Nazi
Nepotism
Nobody
Offensive
Oral tradition
Pantomime
Parody
Pirating
Plot
Policy
Primary source
Projection
Pronoun
Proof
Proofreader
Les Propheties (yes, French words too!)
Proselytise
Pterodactyl
Raid <----<<< **NEW**
Rape
Rational
Same as
Science
Scotch
Series
Shown
Siege <----<<< **NEW**
Situation comedy
69 (at least the colloquial meaning)
Slapstick
Slave / Slavery
Soap (as in Soap Opera)
Someone
Statistics
Statutory
Stereotype
Televised
Thriller
Title
Tradition
Twenty years ago
Undisputed
Venerate
Viewing
We
Welsh (as in the language)
Whore
Writing
Young Adult
Are you calcuting pi to the last digit while you are at it?
Are you suggesting that, like pi, the list of words Aggy doesn't understand
can go on forever?
I will let you take it as it is.
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O.K. Based on Mike's posts, some more words have been added to the list.
(Biology isn't marked as "NEW" because it was already on there.)
Stop spamming this group with repetitions of the list of words you don't
understand.
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Accurate
Alphabet
Agree
And
Androgynous
Area
Aren't
Asexual
Bestiality
Between
Biology
Bisexual
Cameo
Can (as in "be able to")
Cat
Cavemen
Character development
Chattel
Cheep
Child Mollester (sic)
Children
Citation / Cite
Comic
Comment
Communist
Companion
Con
Concede
Consensus
Consent <----<<< **NEW**
Cordon <----<<< **NEW**
Cornwall
Corroborate
Definition
Deify
Demonstrated
Derivation
Derogatory
Dictionary
Dinosaur
Discrepancy
Dissemble
Dragon
Ecologists
Empowering
Ethnic
Everyone
Evidence
Extraordinary
Fact
Farce
Follow
Fool
Genetics <----<<< **NEW**
Gentleman
Goal (as in policy objective)
Gods
Guest star
Haven't been
Hellenist / Hellenistic
Hieroglyph / Hieroglyphics
Historical fact
Ideology
Idiot
Ignorant
Illiterate
Inconsistent
Inspiration
Insult
Jap
Legend
Listening
Literate
Living History
Maaori
Macedonia
Majority
Masturbation
Method acting
Modern
Monotheism
Moorish
Myth
Name / Named
Nazi
Nepotism
Nobody
Offensive
Oral tradition
Pantomime
Parody
Pirating
Plot
Policy
Primary source
Projection
Pronoun
Proof
Proofreader
Les Propheties (yes, French words too!)
Proselytise
Pterodactyl
Raid <----<<< **NEW**
Rape
Rational
Same as
Science
Scotch
Series
Shown
Siege <----<<< **NEW**
Situation comedy
69 (at least the colloquial meaning)
Slapstick
Slave / Slavery
Soap (as in Soap Opera)
Someone
Statistics
Statutory
Stereotype
Televised
Thriller
Title
Tradition
Twenty years ago
Undisputed
Venerate
Viewing
We
Welsh (as in the language)
Whore
Writing
Young Adult
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[Snip Aggy confusing "cordon" and "raid" with "siege".]
Actually, thinking about it, I've just noticed two more similarities
between your outline and this story!
In neither one was anything under siege!
Also, there were no Daleks in either one!
You have been drinking again.
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In what way is a cloning lab that is making rabid dogs at the behest of fog
The lab isn't making rabid dogs. It making Anubian clones who happen to
look like dogs.
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headed aliens notably similar to a lab accident at a food plant
generating a biohazard?
The Hounds from Hell
"Rumours have it that genetically modified pollen is causing significant
changes to vegetation and some of the cloned animals have escaped from
the laboratory and made it into the wild. "
Cloning alien animals and plants is NOT, in any way, the same idea as an
accidental biochemical outbreak.
Except for the fact that the GM pollen in my story escaped into the wild.
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As I already agreed, there are a couple of minor points of
coincidence. The rest is in your head.
You are deranged.
I'm not the one hallucinating about gay dogs.
You are drinking again.
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There were no dogs. The dogs were in your fanfic outline,
remember? Not this story.
Well given that they've copied all the other main elements of my
story why not the dogs are well?
They didn't copy any. Sorry
But they did. Let's compromised and say they incorporated elements from
my story.
Let's compromise and let you believe that if it makes you feel happy.
But remember, you are only hallucinating about the gay dogs.
You've drunk too much.
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Depth? What depth. It showed the to be a lesbian and we already
knew that from the first episode so it added nothing but offence.
It offended no one at all, except you.
It offended the majority of viewers. Just look at the ratings.
So the lower a programme's ratings, the more offensive it is. I see. Gosh,
Songs of Praise must be VILE!
To most people most of whom are not practicing Christians it is.
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It was showing you Bill's coping mechanism - overwhelmed by the
Her what?
If you don't understand human psychology at all, there's no wonder you
don't "get" most of the character byplay in Doctor Who. Bill has a little
bit of culture shock - it's the first time I can recall that this has been
done in the show, certainly for a "contemporary" companion. (well, apart
from Katarina, and that hardly counts)
Culture shock? What? Bill is supposed to be British. Katerina was from
Homeric Troy.

Bill is a MORON end of subject. He character is nothing more than a
cardboard cut out tin dog that just follows the Doctor around and does
nothing independently of him.
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wonder and strangeness of her new life as the Doctor's companion, she
Sentimentalist poppycock.
Yeah. Human emotions. Yucky. Let's have sexless pulp plot only fiction!
Would that be almost easy enough for you to understand?
Sex does not belong in a family TV show like Doctor Who. It's offensive
to family audiences before the watershed and certainly lesbianity is
even more offensive the idiotic way it's been done here. See Buffy and
my outlines for Series 11 to show how to do lesbianity and relationships
in general properly without it being offensive.
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reaches out to share it with a potential new partner. She needs a new
relationship to be honest, even if it sounds insane. She needs her
unique relationship with the Doctor to have some external validation
and acceptance.
It's all moronic made totally ridiculous by the fact she's gay.
What the hell is she doing with the Doctor if she doesn't fancy men?
Do you really believe all human relationships have to revolve around sexual
attraction? Is that due to your personal isolation?
You've been drinking again.
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At least Captain Jack and the 9th and 10th Doctors were both men so
there would be some credibility for him being there but Bill has no
reason to love the Doctor whatsoever. He's no father to her and she's gay.
She's in love with the idea of who he is, and what he can do. She's star
struck.
She's a complete and utter imbecilic moron and this story is nothing
more than irrational sentimentalist codswallop. IF she's a lesbian
there's no way you can credibly convince the audience that she can
possibly love the Doctor with this level is moronic writing that fails
to develop any characterisation of anyone. All she does is follow the
Doctor around like a tin dog.
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The insult is to the intelligence of the viewers by the portraying
one of the companions as nothing more than a tin dog and the other
as nothing more than a parrot.
Seriously. CT scan mate. You're mixing your delusions with reality.
You are totally deranged.
I'm not the one hallucinating about gay dogs.
You've drunk too much.
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Since you have not challenged my assertion of them being cardboard
cut outs who server no purpose at all I take it you agree with me.
Deluded then. Glad we could clear that up.
You are totally deranged.
I'm not the one hallucinating about gay dogs.
You're still drinking too much.
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I've done nothing but challenge your loopy assertions. Since you're
too infantile to even refer to them by name, you can't even agree on
who we're talking about. Nardole is much more of a cypher than a
He is a foil, allowing the Doctor to inform the audience of things
without having to overuse the "talking to himself" device.
He is the Doctor's conscience or sense of responsibility, tempering
the Doctor's mercurial nature and keeping him on the straight and
narrow as he tries to fulfil a thousand year commitment to keep Missy
imprisoned.
Why do you think I've called him Polynesia. Look up Doctor Doolittle.
Your claim was that he was actually a parrot. This is far more complex.
My claim was that he was nothing more than Polynesia from Doctor Doolittle.
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And like allowing GM animals to urinate outside as well and
untreated urine into the sewers?
Are you under the illusion that urine and feces will cause other
organisms to genetically mutate? It seems that "biology" and
"genetics" may belong on the list of words you don't understand!
We are talking about the urine of this GM animals containing hormones
and steroids which could be harmful to other life.
Ah. "Biology" and "genetics" DO belong on the list of words you don't
understand!
The urine of most animals contain hormones and steroids. GM is unlikely to
significantly change those.
Of course it is. That's why it's called genetic modification. Those
hormones and steroids could do harm to other life because they are
unnatural or at unnatural levels in the urine.
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He's an alien. A Timelord. They have two hearts, three brainstems, a
secondary circulation system, and slough redundant or unexpressed
genes to allow them to bounce back from DEATH with an entirely new
phenotype and indeed gender. How much more explanation do you need? A
three year course leading to a degree in fake xenobiology?
So he has all of these powers and yet he's been blinded in Oxygen, but
why wasn't he blinded in Four to Doomsday? And now he's got the super
power of being immune to this particular biogen which he's never even
encountered before so how does he know he would be immune?
How long have you been watching Doctor Who? Seven minutes?
Timelords are resilient. The "Oxygen" blindness came down to length of
exposure. The Doctor's default assumption is that he will be OK, until he
isn't. He extemporises at every occasion and deals with the next thing. His
plan is usually to wait and see if he needs a plan.
How the hell does the Doctor know that this immune to a biogen that he's
never encountered before? This is writing at its very worst.
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Your language is loaded with biased terms. Why do you use the word
"accuse"? Would you say I "accuse" someone of having grey hair, or I
"accuse" them of coming from Croydon? Making an observation, without
judgemental bias or intent, is not racist. It's just a comment.
You were doing nothing of the type.
Of WHAT type? Your response does not relate to my comments.
Your response was racist and homophobic.
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And I wasn't suggesting that all Greeks are homosexual - just that
You were implying being Greek meant being gay by association.
No, I wasn't. I was suggesting that you might be gay, based on the
preferences you were stating, but sp and your responses to sp made me
realise I was not necessarily correct.
Your response was racist and homophobic and SP is a moron with identity
issues and feelings of isolation.
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their culture has traditionally embraced it. That's not a bad thing,
It didn't embrace homosexuality. It tolerated it.
You're still in denial. I've no idea why.
You are still being racist.
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They look like dogs so they are ugly. One of the dogs was
yelping of they other one
Seriously. CT scan. Your hallucinations are a worrying symptom.
You are deranged.
I'm not the one hallucinating dogs, mate.
I'm not hallucinating anything.
You're hallucinating gay dogs. There weren't any.
You are drunk again.
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young women on a date). The OFF switch is right there. I
don't want
If they were two women on a date then they were lesbians.
So? No lesbian acts were portrayed.
They were chatting each other up. Heterosexual women don't chat
each other up.
Talking, even flirting, is not a lesbian act. It's just conversation.
Oh, like a woman flirts with a woman for what purpose?
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I'm not suggesting the girls weren't lesbian. However, the real point
is that it doesn't matter to most people. It's just a point of
information that doesn't make them any less engaging to watch.
It was offensive because it was before the watershed and in a family
show just like showing two people in bed making love or swearing would
have been offensive if shown before the watershed or in a family show.
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to see hairy Greek blokes lusting after each other so stop
trying to make me. I'd probably stop watching the show if it
got too "in my face".
I'm not making your trying to do anything.
You're the one who doesn't want to see women or bald white men.
I loved Kojak who was played be Telle Savalas. Ule Brinner was
another of my favourite actors.
What I said was I don't want to see ugly people on TV, especially
ones in homosexual relationships.
Why? Why shouldn't all life be portrayed on TV? I would have thought
you'd be all for someone you personally could relate to being on
screen.
You are a complete and utter imbecile.
O
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Normally people do not enjoy going around being nosy into other peoples
love lives. The only reason why it can be tolerated in the movies or TV
is if the actors are attractive.
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You are a sick totally deranged racist homophobe.
I have nothing against the fact that you're of Greek descent or
that you have these homosexual desires. Each to their own. So
that's not me being racist
You are accusing Greeks of being homosexual because they are Greek.
That is racism by definition, ie. associating traits in
individualise based on their race.
I explained how you're wrong already in this thread. No need to repeat it.
Your explanation does not justify your behaviour.
What "behaviour"? I can't help that you refuse to accept that Greek culture
has traditionally been inclusive. I just made a comment based on a well
known trope. There's nothing racist about it.
Well known? A well known racist and homophobic comment intended to
portray Greeks as gay and use it as an insult.
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Also, there were no Daleks in either one!
You have been drinking again.
Mike can keep Daleks away by drinking...!?!
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This story has been written by ignorant morons.
Many things get changed or do not get implemented the way that the writers
envision them, whether it is because the director had a different idea or
scenes had to be cut or compressed due to hard time limits imposed. I can
see how the writers would have little or no control over how the
decontamination sequences were hand-waved as a minor detail by others
involved in the production process.
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Poppycock. Most current viewers have not watched every episode since Jon
Pertwee. Where is the explanation for why the Doctor hasn't been infected?
Why hasn't the dwarf been infected after taking her hood off inside an
infected area. Which also makes a nonsense of the Doctor calling on Nardole
since even if he were still conscious he wouldn't have any more chance of
saving the Doctor than the dwarf did.
Fair points, except for the fact that Nardole would have been able to access
the video cameras in the room (as the dialogue suggested), or even
materialise the TARDIS in there.
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There was nothing prejudiced, chauvinistic or racist about any of my
comments.
What was prejudiced, chauvinistic, and racist was what was shown in this
episode which was anti-heterosexual, anti-European and anti-male.
Poppycock. There were examples in other episodes that you could make a good
case for that, but not in this one. You are just shooting yourself in the
foot here.
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It wasn't me that decided to show two ugly lesbian dogs yelping at each
other.
Yes it was.
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They aren't ugly, no "lesbianism" was even shown (just two pretty
They look like dogs so they are ugly. One of the dogs was yelping of they
other one so it was showing lesbianism.
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young women on a date). The OFF switch is right there. I don't want
If they were two women on a date then they were lesbians.
That is just inane, even if it intended to be ironic.
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to see hairy Greek blokes lusting after each other so stop trying to
make me. I'd probably stop watching the show if it got too "in my
face".
I'm not making your trying to do anything. You are a sick totally deranged
racist homophobe.
Oh dear. It looks like your attempts to trigger others have backfired
again.
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Plot proposal for sequel: The Doctor arranges to download the aliens into their own simulation. Inside the simulation, the aliens will rule Earth, and hopefully not realize that they are in a simulation!
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This story has been written by ignorant morons.
Many things get changed or do not get implemented the way that the
writers envision them, whether it is because the director had a
different idea or scenes had to be cut or compressed due to hard time
limits imposed. I can see how the writers would have little or no
control over how the decontamination sequences were hand-waved as a
minor detail by others involved in the production process.
The entire premise of this story for it to work is based on the complete
and utter stupidity of everyone involved and that is the fundamental
problem.

Environmental Health would have never allowed this lab to operate.

The Fire Brigade would have never given this lab a fire safety
certificate because of lack of proper fire exits and a combination lock
on the inside of a door and which was unusable by blind people or people
who had been temporarily blinded.

The Explosion the Doctor was setting up would have ensured that the bio
hazard contaminated the entire planet by setting it free and blasting it
into the upper atmosphere before it could be incinerated.

No proper decontamination procedures existed.

No proper cross checks existed.

Irresponsible drunks were allowed to work on sensitive projects without
being breath tested.

Irresponsible workers went to work without glasses when they needed them
to do their job properly.

The aliens have magical powers which can restore someone's eyesight on
the other side of the world and yet they need video cameras to spy on
the scientists.

The aliens are so stupid or insane that they think the Doctor's
companion has the authority to make decisions on his behalf when she
clearly does not. Ivanka Trump doesn't have authority to access the
nuclear codes for the US.

The Doctor is so stupid as to tell the tin dog that he is trapped
knowing that she's going to do anything to save him.

The tin dog is such stupid and selfish bitch that she sacrifices the
entire population of the world, 7 billion people into slavery to save
the life of just one man.

Stupidity after stupidity after stupidity.
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Poppycock. Most current viewers have not watched every episode since
Jon Pertwee. Where is the explanation for why the Doctor hasn't been
infected? Why hasn't the dwarf been infected after taking her hood off
inside an infected area. Which also makes a nonsense of the Doctor
calling on Nardole since even if he were still conscious he wouldn't
have any more chance of saving the Doctor than the dwarf did.
Fair points, except for the fact that Nardole would have been able to
access the video cameras in the room (as the dialogue suggested), or
even materialise the TARDIS in there.
Well the Doctor could have hidden under a table to protect him. It
worked during WW2.
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There was nothing prejudiced, chauvinistic or racist about any of my
comments.
What was prejudiced, chauvinistic, and racist was what was shown in
this episode which was anti-heterosexual, anti-European and anti-male.
Poppycock. There were examples in other episodes that you could make a
good case for that, but not in this one. You are just shooting yourself
in the foot here.
You have two lesbian dogs yelping at each other at the start, none of
which developed the story or any of the characters in any way and was
prejudiced against heterosexuals and specifically males who had no one
to identify with or fancy.

The are 4 million Europeans from EU member states living in this country
and where are they represented in this episode? Why is it centred on
Americans, Chinese and Russians? Why isn't Moffat doing anything to
generate support for Europe and the EU and yet he uses this show to
spread gay propaganda everywhere.

Like the Russians, Americans and Chinese have the power to speak for the
entire EU. Totally ridiculous.
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It wasn't me that decided to show two ugly lesbian dogs yelping at
each other.
Yes it was.
No it wasn't.
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They aren't ugly, no "lesbianism" was even shown (just two pretty
They look like dogs so they are ugly. One of the dogs was yelping of
they other one so it was showing lesbianism.
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young women on a date). The OFF switch is right there. I don't want
If they were two women on a date then they were lesbians.
That is just inane, even if it intended to be ironic.
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to see hairy Greek blokes lusting after each other so stop trying to
make me. I'd probably stop watching the show if it got too "in my
face".
I'm not making your trying to do anything. You are a sick totally
deranged racist homophobe.
Oh dear. It looks like your attempts to trigger others have backfired
again.
Accusing Greeks of being homosexual because they are Greek is racism by
definition, ie. associating traits in individualise based on their race.
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The aliens are so stupid or insane that they think the Doctor's
companion has the authority to make decisions on his behalf when she
clearly does not. Ivanka Trump doesn't have authority to access the
nuclear codes for the US.
Are you absolutely certain of that?:) With Trump, ANYTHING is possible, even the President leaking secrets to the Russian Foreign Minister and Ambassador!
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The aliens are so stupid or insane that they think the Doctor's
companion has the authority to make decisions on his behalf when she
clearly does not. Ivanka Trump doesn't have authority to access the
nuclear codes for the US.
Are you absolutely certain of that?:) With Trump, ANYTHING is possible,
even the President leaking secrets to the Russian Foreign Minister and
Ambassador!
Or the Illuminati wanting to sabotage POTUS
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Tim Bruening
2017-05-29 04:12:58 UTC
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This story has been written by ignorant morons.
Many things get changed or do not get implemented the way that the writers
envision them, whether it is because the director had a different idea or
scenes had to be cut or compressed due to hard time limits imposed. I can
see how the writers would have little or no control over how the
decontamination sequences were hand-waved as a minor detail by others
involved in the production process.
So you believe that the writers DID include full decontamination procedures in the episode? How do you think they imagined Erica and the Doctor being able to pass through full decontamination procedures at the end in time to get to safety?
Agamemnon
2017-05-29 04:17:28 UTC
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This story has been written by ignorant morons.
Many things get changed or do not get implemented the way that the writers
envision them, whether it is because the director had a different idea or
scenes had to be cut or compressed due to hard time limits imposed. I can
see how the writers would have little or no control over how the
decontamination sequences were hand-waved as a minor detail by others
involved in the production process.
So you believe that the writers DID include full decontamination procedures in the episode? How do you think they imagined Erica and the Doctor being able to pass through full decontamination procedures at the end in time to get to safety?
Even if they did the only safety is in the TARDIS since the entire
building is about to blow up and the TARDIS is already contaminated
thanks to Nardole.
Tim Bruening
2017-05-29 04:25:01 UTC
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Russia, China, and the US are confronting each other in Turkmenistan when the pyramid shows up. Why aren't there any other nations at the party (Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Poland, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Brazil,...).
The Coca Cola Kid
2017-05-29 04:45:49 UTC
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Post by Tim Bruening
Russia, China, and the US are confronting each other in Turkmenistan
when the pyramid shows up. Why aren't there any other nations at
the party (Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Poland,
India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Brazil,...).
None of those other nations are military super-powers that influence global
geopolitics, to the extent that the United States, Russia and China are and
do.
Agamemnon
2017-05-29 04:55:02 UTC
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Post by Tim Bruening
Russia, China, and the US are confronting each other in Turkmenistan
when the pyramid shows up. Why aren't there any other nations at
the party (Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Poland,
India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Brazil,...).
None of those other nations are military super-powers that influence
global geopolitics, to the extent that the United States, Russia and
China are and do.
France and Britain both have nukes. Why aren't they there?

Israel, India and Pakistan all have nukes. Where are they?
The Coca Cola Kid
2017-05-29 05:08:55 UTC
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France and Britain both have nukes. Why aren't they there?
Israel, India and Pakistan all have nukes. Where are they?
Simply 'having nukes' does not make a country a superpower anymore. The
other countries were either in supporting roles of the big three,
represented by the United Nations peace keepers, or they were simply not
involved in this.
Agamemnon
2017-05-29 05:16:51 UTC
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France and Britain both have nukes. Why aren't they there?
Israel, India and Pakistan all have nukes. Where are they?
Simply 'having nukes' does not make a country a superpower anymore. The
other countries were either in supporting roles of the big three,
represented by the United Nations peace keepers, or they were simply not
involved in this.
Unless everyone in every country agrees then the aliens will have an
insurrection on their hands.

All the countries with nukes that were left out will use their weapons
against the aliens rather then be enslaved, and if they don't other will
build or acquire them. It's either freedom or death.
Tim Bruening
2017-05-29 09:08:00 UTC
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France and Britain both have nukes. Why aren't they there?
Israel, India and Pakistan all have nukes. Where are they?
Simply 'having nukes' does not make a country a superpower anymore. The
other countries were either in supporting roles of the big three,
represented by the United Nations peace keepers, or they were simply not
involved in this.
Unless everyone in every country agrees then the aliens will have an
insurrection on their hands.
All the countries with nukes that were left out will use their weapons
against the aliens rather then be enslaved, and if they don't other will
build or acquire them. It's either freedom or death.
The aliens had no difficulty fending off the bomber and the missile on Saturday. They simply trapped the plane and lowered it to the ground, and trapped the missile and impaled it into the ground. The aliens should not be bothered by your insurrectionists.
Agamemnon
2017-05-29 09:26:59 UTC
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France and Britain both have nukes. Why aren't they there?
Israel, India and Pakistan all have nukes. Where are they?
Simply 'having nukes' does not make a country a superpower anymore. The
other countries were either in supporting roles of the big three,
represented by the United Nations peace keepers, or they were simply not
involved in this.
Unless everyone in every country agrees then the aliens will have an
insurrection on their hands.
All the countries with nukes that were left out will use their weapons
against the aliens rather then be enslaved, and if they don't other will
build or acquire them. It's either freedom or death.
The aliens had no difficulty fending off the bomber and the missile on Saturday. They simply trapped the plane and lowered it to the ground, and trapped the missile and impaled it into the ground. The aliens should not be bothered by your insurrectionists.
Then why are they so bothered about getting consent? Which isn't really
consent at all.
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2017-05-29 04:16:34 UTC
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Since the aliens just saved the Doctor's life, is the Doctor already obligated to obey them, even though he hasn't yet personally sworn fealty to them?

Imaginary scene: Missy phoning the aliens from inside the Vault, saying "I consent to obey you. Please release me from this prison!".
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2017-05-29 04:18:49 UTC
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Since the aliens just saved the Doctor's life, is the Doctor already
obligated to obey them, even though he hasn't yet personally sworn
fealty to them?
Imaginary scene: Missy phoning the aliens from inside the Vault,
saying "I consent to obey you. Please release me from this
prison!".
It's increasingly looking like it might all still be a simulation.
Tim Bruening
2017-05-29 04:26:00 UTC
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Since the aliens just saved the Doctor's life, is the Doctor already
obligated to obey them, even though he hasn't yet personally sworn
fealty to them?
Imaginary scene: Missy phoning the aliens from inside the Vault,
saying "I consent to obey you. Please release me from this
prison!".
It's increasingly looking like it might all still be a simulation.
Meaning that the Doctor will once again be blind when he exits the simulation!
The Doctor
2017-05-29 05:06:36 UTC
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Since the aliens just saved the Doctor's life, is the Doctor already
obligated to obey them, even though he hasn't yet personally sworn
fealty to them?
Imaginary scene: Missy phoning the aliens from inside the Vault,
saying "I consent to obey you. Please release me from this
prison!".
It's increasingly looking like it might all still be a simulation.
Well you have to look the other way to see what is really going on.
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