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2nd Season Dr. Who - Doomsday - 5 star poll - SPOILERS AHOY !
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George Avalos
2006-12-25 22:41:24 UTC
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"Doomsday"
12-22-06 Dr. Who

5 stars (1:00 a.m.)

0-1 stars (11:59 p.m.)

-George
David B
2006-12-26 09:48:35 UTC
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"Doomsday"
12-22-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (1:00 a.m.)
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-George
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erilar
2006-12-28 01:20:00 UTC
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"Doomsday"
12-22-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (1:00 a.m.)
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-George
Something for everyone, I guess, but it added up to so MUCH!!

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Tim Bruening
2006-12-28 08:47:29 UTC
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"Doomsday"
12-22-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (1:00 a.m.)
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Why is 1 am better than 11:59 pm?

4 stars.
Rob Jensen
2006-12-29 06:59:12 UTC
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"Doomsday"
12-22-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (1:00 a.m.)
0-1 stars (11:59 p.m.)
Why is 1 am better than 11:59 pm?
Midnight is Zero Hour on the Nuclear Countdown clock (ala Watchmen).
If it's Doomsday, but you've made it a full hour past Zero Hour, then
you've survived, and that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than
being one minute away from Doomsday happening. Even outside of any of
DC's universes.

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2007-01-02 15:33:27 UTC
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"Doomsday"
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4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a Doctor Who
episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
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4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a Doctor Who
episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
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4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a Doctor Who
episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
Naked Romana? (real Romana, not faux chinless wimp replacement Romana)
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4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a Doctor Who
episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
Naked Romana? (real Romana, not faux chinless wimp replacement Romana)
You don't like Lalla Ward?

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4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a Doctor Who
episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
Naked Romana? (real Romana, not faux chinless wimp replacement Romana)
You don't like Lalla Ward?
Not in any way shape or form; not a minute, not a second, not a frame.
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4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a
Doctor Who episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
Naked Romana? (real Romana, not faux chinless wimp replacement Romana)
You don't like Lalla Ward?
Not in any way shape or form; not a minute, not a second, not a frame.
Hey, there's something we agree on! I liked Mary Tamm, I thought she
was hot and I liked the snooty, difficult Romana she played. I was not
at all happy with the replacement.




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4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a
Doctor Who episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
Naked Romana? (real Romana, not faux chinless wimp replacement Romana)
You don't like Lalla Ward?
Not in any way shape or form; not a minute, not a second, not a frame.
OH? my bad, i sent a reccomendation to see her nekkid in an earlier
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4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a
Doctor Who episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
Naked Romana? (real Romana, not faux chinless wimp replacement Romana)
You don't like Lalla Ward?
Not in any way shape or form; not a minute, not a second, not a frame.
OH? my bad, i sent a reccomendation to see her nekkid in an earlier
movie.
Usually shows up somewhere.
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4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a
Doctor Who episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
Naked Romana? (real Romana, not faux chinless wimp replacement Romana)
You don't like Lalla Ward?
Not in any way shape or form; not a minute, not a second, not a frame.
OH? my bad, i sent a reccomendation to see her nekkid in an earlier
movie.
heh. I said REAL Romana. That would be Mary Tamm. Lalla Ward comes
under the category of "faux chinless wimp replacement Romana"

Thanks for the recommendation though. I've only ever seen VAMPIRE
CIRCUS chopped to ribbons on local TV, and always wondered what it was
like uncut.
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4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a
Doctor Who episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
Naked Romana? (real Romana, not faux chinless wimp replacement Romana)
You don't like Lalla Ward?
Not in any way shape or form; not a minute, not a second, not a frame.
OH? my bad, i sent a reccomendation to see her nekkid in an earlier
movie.
heh. I said REAL Romana. That would be Mary Tamm. Lalla Ward comes
under the category of "faux chinless wimp replacement Romana"
Thanks for the recommendation though. I've only ever seen VAMPIRE
CIRCUS chopped to ribbons on local TV, and always wondered what it was
like uncut.
What about beyond Lalla Ward?
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4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a
Doctor Who episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
Naked Romana? (real Romana, not faux chinless wimp replacement Romana)
You don't like Lalla Ward?
Not in any way shape or form; not a minute, not a second, not a frame.
OH? my bad, i sent a reccomendation to see her nekkid in an earlier
movie.
heh. I said REAL Romana. That would be Mary Tamm. Lalla Ward comes
under the category of "faux chinless wimp replacement Romana"
Thanks for the recommendation though. I've only ever seen VAMPIRE
CIRCUS chopped to ribbons on local TV, and always wondered what it was
like uncut.
in AUS we get it on the government (non-commercial) channel once a year
(ABC) uncut, but emule will have it also
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4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a Doctor Who
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The Master and Sontarans.
Naked Romana? (real Romana, not faux chinless wimp replacement Romana)
You don't like Lalla Ward?
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"Doomsday"
12-22-06 Dr. Who
4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a Doctor
Who episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
Naked Romana? (real Romana, not faux chinless wimp replacement Romana)
watch Vampire Circus (1972) and your wish will be granted.
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"Doomsday"
12-22-06 Dr. Who
4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a Doctor Who
episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
Naked Romana? (real Romana, not faux chinless wimp replacement Romana)
Or whatever she regenerated into.
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"Doomsday"
12-22-06 Dr. Who
4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a Doctor Who
episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
Naked Romana? (real Romana, not faux chinless wimp replacement Romana)
Mary Tamm and Lalla Ward have both taken their clothing off in movies, and
images are tirvially available online.


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"Doomsday"
12-22-06 Dr. Who
4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a Doctor Who
episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
A Dalek/Cyberman/Sontarian battle?
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"Doomsday"
12-22-06 Dr. Who
4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a Doctor Who
episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
The Master and Sontarans.
The Master Vs the Sontarans, or the Master allied with the Sontarans?
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"Doomsday"
12-22-06 Dr. Who
4.995. I'm sure there's SOMETHING more you might want from a Doctor Who
episode, but I'm not sure what it would be. *
A coherent story? Hang on, no, wait, from a Doctor Who episode? Okay,
scratch that. Logical plot progression and vaguely plausible
technobabble? Hold on, see above. Ah, I've got it - how about tension?
Daleks that aren't actually comical but somewhat threatening(that
spinning Dalek-ejector effect has to be pretty much the worst of the
series)? Situations that actually appear dangerous rather than a
screenfull of cartoon CGI monsters? Battle scenes with some actual
variety rather than shot after shot of Cybermen being electrocuted or
Dalek forcefields discharging? Making the conflict actually relevant to
the story rather than a blatant excuse for Daleks and Cybermen to throw
pixels at each other?

Phil
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5 stars (1:00 a.m.)
0-1 stars (11:59 p.m.)
2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1 - this was an unrelated Dalek
story that just happened to have left-over Cybermen from last week. The
'war' was nothing but an excuse for identikit special effects scenes
and had no bearing on anything that actually happened in the story -
the Doctor's solution would have been the same had the two sides been
allies, and was a deus ex machina to boot (again!) Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen. Most
grating of all (okay, second most grating of all) was the continual
dimension-hopping (including a scene ripped straight from X-Men 2 - how
did Pete know to jump at that moment, and how did he manage to jump to
*a different point* in the building from the one he'd left to catch
Rose?) - never mind that Time Lords apparently never had the tech to do
that so it strains credibility that Torchwood would, it rather makes a
nonsense of the Doctor's dire warning "It could cause the universes to
collapse ... but not until after the next time. And the next. And...".

The most grating thing was of course Rose's departure. The "I died
because I got a death certificate" thing is so unimaginative and
cliched that it would have been better to forget the Beast's prophecy
altogether (after all, he was wrong when he told the crew that that
planet would be their tomb, and for all the audience knew when he
claimed that he would live, so why not about Rose?) and gone with the
Doctor's claim that he'd lied than to try and force the story to comply
with it if RTD wasn't willing to actually kill off the character. But
worse even than that is that she gets a *happy ending*. There's so much
set-up in various parts of the season foreshadowing something dire
coming of the characters' lighthearted attitude to their adventures and
(in Age of Steel and Love & Monsters) that Jackie's life was on the
line, that having Rose reunited with a full family and boyfriend and a
job running Torchwood was a huge letdown quite aside from simply being
bad, hackneyed storytelling.

Phil
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Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.

By the way, what did the Doctor say right after Rose said "I love you"?
I rewound it a dozen times but I couldn't make it out.
Rob Jensen
2007-01-03 07:46:55 UTC
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Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
By the way, what did the Doctor say right after Rose said "I love you"?
I rewound it a dozen times but I couldn't make it out.
He said, "Rose Tyler --" started mouthing the word "I -- " (as in,
presumably, "I love you, too") and then the holo blinked out, forever.
Forever being defined, of course, as "However long it takes Billie
Piper to be persuaded to come back for a guest shot that causes them
to come up with some other outrageously nonsensical way to open a
wormhole between parallel dimensions."

HTH.

-- Rob
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It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.
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2007-01-03 11:24:50 UTC
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Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
By the way, what did the Doctor say right after Rose said "I love you"?
I rewound it a dozen times but I couldn't make it out.
He said, "Rose Tyler --" started mouthing the word "I -- " (as in,
presumably, "I love you, too") and then the holo blinked out, forever.
Forever being defined, of course, as "However long it takes Billie
Piper to be persuaded to come back for a guest shot that causes them
to come up with some other outrageously nonsensical way to open a
wormhole between parallel dimensions."
He said something else *before* all that. I had trouble making it out
too, but to me it sounds like "Quite right, too."
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Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
By the way, what did the Doctor say right after Rose said "I love you"?
I rewound it a dozen times but I couldn't make it out.
He said, "Rose Tyler --" started mouthing the word "I -- " (as in,
presumably, "I love you, too") and then the holo blinked out, forever.
Forever being defined, of course, as "However long it takes Billie
Piper to be persuaded to come back for a guest shot that causes them
to come up with some other outrageously nonsensical way to open a
wormhole between parallel dimensions."
He said something else *before* all that. I had trouble making it out
too, but to me it sounds like "Quite right, too."
That's what it was.

Phil
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Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
By the way, what did the Doctor say right after Rose said "I love you"?
I rewound it a dozen times but I couldn't make it out.
He said, "Rose Tyler --" started mouthing the word "I -- " (as in,
presumably, "I love you, too") and then the holo blinked out, forever.
No, it was before that. She said, "I love you", then he responded with
something unintelligible, then he paused and said, "As long as it's my
last chance to say it, Rose Tyler... I--"
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2007-01-03 16:29:39 UTC
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By the way, what did the Doctor say right after Rose said "I love
you"? I rewound it a dozen times but I couldn't make it out.
He said, "Rose Tyler --" started mouthing the word "I -- " (as in,
presumably, "I love you, too") and then the holo blinked out,
forever.
No, it was before that. She said, "I love you", then he responded with
something unintelligible, then he paused and said, "As long as it's my
last chance to say it, Rose Tyler... I--"
I think it was "Quite right too"

Diane L.
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By the way, what did the Doctor say right after Rose said "I love
you"? I rewound it a dozen times but I couldn't make it out.
He said, "Rose Tyler --" started mouthing the word "I -- " (as in,
presumably, "I love you, too") and then the holo blinked out, forever.
No, it was before that. She said, "I love you", then he responded with
something unintelligible, then he paused and said, "As long as it's my
last chance to say it, Rose Tyler... I--"
I think it was "Quite right too"
Yeah, it might be that. I don't really get it as a response, though. Is
it supposed to be like Han Solo's "I know"? Maybe it's one of those
British things that gets lost in the translation.
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2007-01-03 20:19:47 UTC
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By the way, what did the Doctor say right after Rose said "I love
you"? I rewound it a dozen times but I couldn't make it out.
He said, "Rose Tyler --" started mouthing the word "I -- " (as in,
presumably, "I love you, too") and then the holo blinked out, forever.
No, it was before that. She said, "I love you", then he responded with
something unintelligible, then he paused and said, "As long as it's my
last chance to say it, Rose Tyler... I--"
I think it was "Quite right too"
Yup, that's it :)
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By the way, what did the Doctor say right after Rose said "I love
you"? I rewound it a dozen times but I couldn't make it out.
He said, "Rose Tyler --" started mouthing the word "I -- " (as in,
presumably, "I love you, too") and then the holo blinked out, forever.
No, it was before that. She said, "I love you", then he responded with
something unintelligible, then he paused and said, "As long as it's my
last chance to say it, Rose Tyler... I--"
I think it was "Quite right too"
Yup, that's it :)
I checked this too, and that's definitely what he said. In the vein of
"I know" by Han Solo, as suggested by another poster.
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No, it was before that. She said, "I love you", then he responded with
something unintelligible, then he paused and said, "As long as it's my
last chance to say it, Rose Tyler... I--"
He said "Quite right too". *
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He said, "Rose Tyler --" started mouthing the word "I -- " (as in,
presumably, "I love you, too") and then the holo blinked out, forever.
Forever being defined, of course, as "However long it takes Billie
Piper to be persuaded to come back for a guest shot that causes them
to come up with some other outrageously nonsensical way to open a
wormhole between parallel dimensions."
Hopefully never.
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Tim Bruening
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Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
By the way, what did the Doctor say right after Rose said "I love you"?
I rewound it a dozen times but I couldn't make it out.
He said, "Rose Tyler --" started mouthing the word "I -- " (as in,
presumably, "I love you, too") and then the holo blinked out, forever.
Forever being defined, of course, as "However long it takes Billie
Piper to be persuaded to come back for a guest shot that causes them
to come up with some other outrageously nonsensical way to open a
wormhole between parallel dimensions."
Such as alt-Torchwood exploding the sun to open up a hole between universes?
Keith Cunningham
2007-07-07 01:07:26 UTC
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Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
By the way, what did the Doctor say right after Rose said "I love you"?
I rewound it a dozen times but I couldn't make it out.
I think he said "Quite right too"
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Post by Rob Jensen
He said, "Rose Tyler --" started mouthing the word "I -- " (as in,
presumably, "I love you, too") and then the holo blinked out, forever.
Forever being defined, of course, as "However long it takes Billie
Piper to be persuaded to come back for a guest shot that causes them
to come up with some other outrageously nonsensical way to open a
wormhole between parallel dimensions."
Such as alt-Torchwood exploding the sun to open up a hole between universes?
You don't need anything so dramatic. All you need is an ancient henge which
has existed in all the universes for centuries, so that it is possible to
enter from one and pass on into another.....
Tim Bruening
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Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
By the way, what did the Doctor say right after Rose said "I love you"?
I rewound it a dozen times but I couldn't make it out.
I think he said "Quite right too"
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Post by Rob Jensen
He said, "Rose Tyler --" started mouthing the word "I -- " (as in,
presumably, "I love you, too") and then the holo blinked out, forever.
Forever being defined, of course, as "However long it takes Billie
Piper to be persuaded to come back for a guest shot that causes them
to come up with some other outrageously nonsensical way to open a
wormhole between parallel dimensions."
Such as alt-Torchwood exploding the sun to open up a hole between
universes?
You don't need anything so dramatic. All you need is an ancient henge which
has existed in all the universes for centuries, so that it is possible to
enter from one and pass on into another.....
Stonehenge?
Keith Cunningham
2007-07-07 09:32:53 UTC
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Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
By the way, what did the Doctor say right after Rose said "I love you"?
I rewound it a dozen times but I couldn't make it out.
I think he said "Quite right too"
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Post by Rob Jensen
He said, "Rose Tyler --" started mouthing the word "I -- " (as in,
presumably, "I love you, too") and then the holo blinked out, forever.
Forever being defined, of course, as "However long it takes Billie
Piper to be persuaded to come back for a guest shot that causes them
to come up with some other outrageously nonsensical way to open a
wormhole between parallel dimensions."
Such as alt-Torchwood exploding the sun to open up a hole between
universes?
You don't need anything so dramatic. All you need is an ancient henge which
has existed in all the universes for centuries, so that it is possible to
enter from one and pass on into another.....
Stonehenge?
Maybe. Or maybe there's an undiscovered one buried somewhere. Cardiff?
Canary Wharf? Fencehouses? It could be anywhere!
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You don't need anything so dramatic. All you need is an ancient henge which
has existed in all the universes for centuries, so that it is possible to
enter from one and pass on into another.....
You mean something like a gateway to the stars. Sort of a star gate, as it were..?
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You don't need anything so dramatic. All you need is an ancient henge which
has existed in all the universes for centuries, so that it is possible to
enter from one and pass on into another.....
You mean something like a gateway to the stars. Sort of a star gate, as it were..?
No. Just a connecting point between several universes which it is possible
to enter from one and exit into another without becoming contaminated by
"void stuff". The space within the henge exists in several parallel worlds.
Tim Bruening
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You don't need anything so dramatic. All you need is an ancient henge
which
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has existed in all the universes for centuries, so that it is possible
to
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enter from one and pass on into another.....
You mean something like a gateway to the stars. Sort of a star gate, as it
were..?
No. Just a connecting point between several universes which it is possible
to enter from one and exit into another without becoming contaminated by
"void stuff". The space within the henge exists in several parallel worlds.
A quantum mirror?
Stuffed
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You mean something like a gateway to the stars. Sort of a star gate, as it
were..?
No. Just a connecting point between several universes which it is possible
to enter from one and exit into another without becoming contaminated by
"void stuff". The space within the henge exists in several parallel worlds.
Ah, so not a star gate, but a Unigate.

I suspect, no matter how much you butter him up, even RTD might find that idea just
too cheesey.
Ignis Fatuus
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You mean something like a gateway to the stars. Sort of a star gate, as it
were..?
No. Just a connecting point between several universes which it is possible
to enter from one and exit into another without becoming contaminated by
"void stuff". The space within the henge exists in several parallel worlds.
Ah, so not a star gate, but a Unigate.
I once worked for them on deliveries out of Fenstanton.
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I suspect, no matter how much you butter him up, even RTD might find that idea just
too cheesey.
Yoghourt It.

= IF
Tim Bruening
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You don't need anything so dramatic. All you need is an ancient henge
which
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has existed in all the universes for centuries, so that it is possible
to
Post by Stuffed
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enter from one and pass on into another.....
You mean something like a gateway to the stars. Sort of a star gate, as it
were..?
No. Just a connecting point between several universes which it is possible
to enter from one and exit into another without becoming contaminated by
"void stuff". The space within the henge exists in several parallel worlds.
A House Between The Worlds! In that house is a person who hears requests by
visitor clients and decides if the client is worthy of the request being
granted. If so, the client then has to pay a huge price, which might consist of
becoming the new guy who evaluates requests!
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You don't need anything so dramatic. All you need is an ancient henge
which
Post by Stuffed
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has existed in all the universes for centuries, so that it is possible
to
Post by Stuffed
Post by Keith Cunningham
enter from one and pass on into another.....
You mean something like a gateway to the stars. Sort of a star gate, as it
were..?
No. Just a connecting point between several universes which it is possible
to enter from one and exit into another without becoming contaminated by
"void stuff". The space within the henge exists in several parallel worlds.
A new series: Starhenge! In this episode, Stargate teams travel to alternate
universes.
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You don't need anything so dramatic. All you need is an ancient henge
which
Post by Stuffed
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has existed in all the universes for centuries, so that it is possible
to
Post by Stuffed
Post by Keith Cunningham
enter from one and pass on into another.....
You mean something like a gateway to the stars. Sort of a star gate, as it
were..?
No. Just a connecting point between several universes which it is possible
to enter from one and exit into another without becoming contaminated by
"void stuff". The space within the henge exists in several parallel worlds.
A new series: Starhenge! In this episode, Stargate teams travel to
alternate
universes.
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You don't need anything so dramatic. All you need is an ancient henge
which
Post by Stuffed
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has existed in all the universes for centuries, so that it is possible
to
Post by Stuffed
Post by Keith Cunningham
enter from one and pass on into another.....
You mean something like a gateway to the stars. Sort of a star gate, as it
were..?
No. Just a connecting point between several universes which it is possible
to enter from one and exit into another without becoming contaminated by
"void stuff". The space within the henge exists in several parallel worlds.
A new series: Starhenge! In this episode, Stargate teams travel to
alternate
universes.
Wow, talk about a blast from the past. I had to wiki the episode title, the
2nd season finale of the new Dr. Who, the first one featuring Tennant--FIVE
YEARS AGO.

-- Ken from Chicago
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Wow, talk about a blast from the past. I had to wiki the episode title, the
2nd season finale of the new Dr. Who, the first one featuring Tennant--FIVE
YEARS AGO.
Tim's hobby is resurrecting old threads. He occasionally goes through
very old posts from radw, and gives us all a nice little trip down
memory lane. Well, he probably thinks it's an ingenious form of
trolling, but really as hobbies go, it's sweet and harmless enough I
suppose.

(Look forward to seeing his reply to this in four or five years time!)
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In the alternate universe, is there a Doctor native to that universe?
Is/was there a Time Lord race inhabiting an alternate Gallifrey?
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The Doctor mentions that the Time Lords, in their day, could travel
freely between alternate universes. Given that, it's not unreasonable
to assume that, if there were time lords in Pete's Universe, they
might have formed a unified society -- we have already seen ample
evidence that the Time Lord society enjoys a special relationship with
time: any time in the entire history of the universe can correspond to
the "present day" on Gallifrey. It may well be that this is true of
universes as well: one gallifrey which is linked to many universes.
Tim Bruening
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In the alternate universe, is there a Doctor native to that universe?
Is/was there a Time Lord race inhabiting an alternate Gallifrey?
The Doctor mentions that the Time Lords, in their day, could travel
freely between alternate universes. Given that, it's not unreasonable
to assume that, if there were time lords in Pete's Universe, they
might have formed a unified society -- we have already seen ample
evidence that the Time Lord society enjoys a special relationship with
time: any time in the entire history of the universe can correspond to
the "present day" on Gallifrey. It may well be that this is true of
universes as well: one gallifrey which is linked to many universes.
Why then can't the Doctor travel to Pete's Universe to rescue Rose?
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In the alternate universe, is there a Doctor native to that universe?
Is/was there a Time Lord race inhabiting an alternate Gallifrey?
The Doctor mentions that the Time Lords, in their day, could travel
freely between alternate universes. Given that, it's not unreasonable
to assume that, if there were time lords in Pete's Universe, they
might have formed a unified society -- we have already seen ample
evidence that the Time Lord society enjoys a special relationship with
time: any time in the entire history of the universe can correspond to
the "present day" on Gallifrey. It may well be that this is true of
universes as well: one gallifrey which is linked to many universes.
Why then can't the Doctor travel to Pete's Universe to rescue Rose?
It appears to be on the list of things that the tieme lords could do
as a group, but is beyond the means of a single time lord.
Tim Bruening
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In the alternate universe, is there a Doctor native to that universe?
Is/was there a Time Lord race inhabiting an alternate Gallifrey?
The Doctor mentions that the Time Lords, in their day, could travel
freely between alternate universes. Given that, it's not unreasonable
to assume that, if there were time lords in Pete's Universe, they
might have formed a unified society -- we have already seen ample
evidence that the Time Lord society enjoys a special relationship with
time: any time in the entire history of the universe can correspond to
the "present day" on Gallifrey. It may well be that this is true of
universes as well: one gallifrey which is linked to many universes.
Why then can't the Doctor travel to Pete's Universe to rescue Rose?
It appears to be on the list of things that the tieme lords could do
as a group, but is beyond the means of a single time lord.
I suggest that the Doctor clone himself, then join with his clones to travel
to Pete's Universe.
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In the alternate universe, is there a Doctor native to that universe?
Is/was there a Time Lord race inhabiting an alternate Gallifrey?
The Doctor mentions that the Time Lords, in their day, could travel
freely between alternate universes. Given that, it's not unreasonable
to assume that, if there were time lords in Pete's Universe, they
might have formed a unified society -- we have already seen ample
evidence that the Time Lord society enjoys a special relationship with
time: any time in the entire history of the universe can correspond to
the "present day" on Gallifrey. It may well be that this is true of
universes as well: one gallifrey which is linked to many universes.
In "Logopolis" the Watcher/Future Doctor hovers the TARDIS outside space
and time and Adric and Nyssa comment on this and Adric I believe is the
one that operates the TARDIS after that to take the TARDIS back to Earth
and the Pharos project thingy.

How the TARDIS operates and what the laws of time are seem to be
dependent on the plot at hand.
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In the alternate universe, is there a Doctor native to that universe?
Is/was there a Time Lord race inhabiting an alternate Gallifrey?
That's a good question. And a great story possibility.

Consider there must be a tertiary realm in the Multiverse where Tom
Baker's Doctor never went to Logopolis, was never killed by the Master
and never regenerated.

Wouldn't that be a cool multi-Doctor episode? Wouldn't it be great too
if they could get Liz Sladen back for that?

Heck I'd settle for Eleanor Bron and John Cleese again.

Would Tom do another Who though?
--
"Romana, hello, how are you? I see the Count's roped you in as a lab
assistant. What are you making for him? A model railway? Gallifreyan egg
timer? I hope you're not making a time machine. I shall be very angry."
The Doctor, "City of Death"
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In the alternate universe, is there a Doctor native to that universe?
Is/was there a Time Lord race inhabiting an alternate Gallifrey?
That's a good question. And a great story possibility.
Consider there must be a tertiary realm in the Multiverse where Tom
Baker's Doctor never went to Logopolis, was never killed by the Master
and never regenerated.
Wouldn't that be a cool multi-Doctor episode? Wouldn't it be great too
if they could get Liz Sladen back for that?
How about a universe where the Doctor is Prime Minister of Great Britain?
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2007-01-03 12:13:34 UTC
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Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
Ah... erm... where exactly is this conveyed to the audience? Is it in
the deleted "help, we need something to shoot something" scenes?
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Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
Ah... erm... where exactly is this conveyed to the audience? Is it in
the deleted "help, we need something to shoot something" scenes?
I don't think that's it at all. There's a couple ways you can wank what
happened to her:

1) Her cyber-modified brain got stuck in the pattern of the last thing
she was thinking. She was repeating the same phrase over and over
before being cyber-ized.

2) Her desire to serve Queen and Country was so strong that she overrode
the cyber controller. *
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Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
Ah... erm... where exactly is this conveyed to the audience? Is it in
the deleted "help, we need something to shoot something" scenes?
I don't think that's it at all. There's a couple ways you can wank what
1) Her cyber-modified brain got stuck in the pattern of the last thing
she was thinking. She was repeating the same phrase over and over
before being cyber-ized.
2) Her desire to serve Queen and Country was so strong that she overrode
the cyber controller. *
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* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
I don't know why everyone ignores the obvious explanation, the one we
see on-screen. When the Doctor sees the cybermen coming up the
stairs, he sits down at the computer and does something. When we cut
back to the Doctor after Yvonne makes her stand, he's looking
self-satisfied.

The Doctor hacked her chip.
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Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
Ah... erm... where exactly is this conveyed to the audience? Is it in
the deleted "help, we need something to shoot something" scenes?
I don't think that's it at all. There's a couple ways you can wank what
1) Her cyber-modified brain got stuck in the pattern of the last thing
she was thinking. She was repeating the same phrase over and over
before being cyber-ized.
2) Her desire to serve Queen and Country was so strong that she overrode
the cyber controller. *
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like corkscrews.
I don't know why everyone ignores the obvious explanation, the one we
see on-screen. When the Doctor sees the cybermen coming up the
stairs, he sits down at the computer and does something. When we cut
back to the Doctor after Yvonne makes her stand, he's looking
self-satisfied.
The Doctor hacked her chip.
Except that this isn't what happens. I was fairly sure it wasn't, so
I've actually just looked at the relevant bit.

Rose announces there's Cybermen on their way up while looking at a
computer screen (we don't see it, but presumably it's surveillance
images we're looking at). The Doctor dashes over, looks at her computer
screen, then dashes off again - having done nothing at all.

The whole malarkey with Cybervonne happens.

We then cut back to the Doctor inputting something into a screen, and
when he does this a computer voice announces "Levers Operational."
Presumably he switched them on.

You *could* just about assume he did something offscreen, but this is
almost entirely conjectural, and also doesn't explain a: how the blazes
he knew Yvonne was there, b: where she got that great big gun from, or
c: how on earth he could hack into her chip from Torchwood's computer
systems anyway?

The fact that there's been four possible explanations in this thread
alone kind of points up the lack of clarity on this point, really. And
that's even before you mention that she just shoots some Cybermen and
evaporates from the story, which makes you wonder why they bothered at
all (since, in narrative terms, a locked door would have done the same
job).
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Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
Ah... erm... where exactly is this conveyed to the audience? Is it in
the deleted "help, we need something to shoot something" scenes?
I don't think that's it at all. There's a couple ways you can wank what
1) Her cyber-modified brain got stuck in the pattern of the last thing
she was thinking. She was repeating the same phrase over and over
before being cyber-ized.
2) Her desire to serve Queen and Country was so strong that she overrode
the cyber controller. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
I don't know why everyone ignores the obvious explanation, the one we
see on-screen. When the Doctor sees the cybermen coming up the
stairs, he sits down at the computer and does something. When we cut
back to the Doctor after Yvonne makes her stand, he's looking
self-satisfied.
The Doctor hacked her chip.
The reason it's missed is that it's not what happens. The Doctor
explains what he's doing as he's at the computer - he's opening the
rift into void space to suck everything in. If it *was* what happened,
we would then need it explained:

(a) How the Doctor knew Yvonne was a Cyberman - the last he saw of her,
she was being taken off with Jackie, who he knew had escaped. Granted,
the fact that he then didn't see her again suggests the obvious, so
this at least can be explained.

(b) How he knew *which* Cyberman she was, and so which chip was hers.
This can't be explained.

(c) How he could hack the chip at all. It took him an entire story to
do so last time, and even then he was only able to do it so crudely
that it shut down all the inhibitors and left the Cybers in no state to
do anything but cause their heads to explode.

(d) How he knew Yvonne was in the area.

(e) How he knew she was armed and so capable of holding off the other
Cybers; and, if she wasn't, how he was able to get her to a weapon so
quickly.

(f) Why he would even have chosen her. He had no way of knowing she'd
be any better-able to recover from the shock of Cyberisation than
anyone else, or for that matter that she'd be able to do anything to
help - she was just a dangerously negligent administrator for all he
knew of her.

Phil
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Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
Ah... erm... where exactly is this conveyed to the audience? Is it in
the deleted "help, we need something to shoot something" scenes?
I don't think that's it at all. There's a couple ways you can wank what
1) Her cyber-modified brain got stuck in the pattern of the last thing
she was thinking. She was repeating the same phrase over and over
before being cyber-ized.
2) Her desire to serve Queen and Country was so strong that she overrode
the cyber controller. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
I don't know why everyone ignores the obvious explanation, the one we
see on-screen. When the Doctor sees the cybermen coming up the
stairs, he sits down at the computer and does something. When we cut
back to the Doctor after Yvonne makes her stand, he's looking
self-satisfied.
The Doctor hacked her chip.
Too back he couldn't hack ALL the controller chips!
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Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
Ah... erm... where exactly is this conveyed to the audience? Is it in
the deleted "help, we need something to shoot something" scenes?
I don't think that's it at all. There's a couple ways you can wank what
1) Her cyber-modified brain got stuck in the pattern of the last thing
she was thinking. She was repeating the same phrase over and over
before being cyber-ized.
2) Her desire to serve Queen and Country was so strong that she overrode
the cyber controller. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
I don't know why everyone ignores the obvious explanation, the one we
see on-screen. When the Doctor sees the cybermen coming up the
stairs, he sits down at the computer and does something. When we cut
back to the Doctor after Yvonne makes her stand, he's looking
self-satisfied.
The Doctor hacked her chip.
Why couldn't he hack other chips as well?
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I don't think that's it at all. There's a couple ways you can wank what
1) Her cyber-modified brain got stuck in the pattern of the last thing
she was thinking. She was repeating the same phrase over and over
before being cyber-ized.
2) Her desire to serve Queen and Country was so strong that she overrode
the cyber controller. *
3) The sphere research scientist guy told Rose that everyone at Torchwood
had undergone basic psychic training. Yvonne, as a supervisor / director /
boss lady, had conceivably undergone more advanced psychic training.
That's why she was able to "keep her head", so to speak, even after
becoming a Cyberman.

Even though I like the sound of #2, #3 was the first thought that popped
into my head when I saw that scene.
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I don't think that's it at all. There's a couple ways you can wank what
1) Her cyber-modified brain got stuck in the pattern of the last thing
she was thinking. She was repeating the same phrase over and over
before being cyber-ized.
2) Her desire to serve Queen and Country was so strong that she overrode
the cyber controller. *
3) The sphere research scientist guy told Rose that everyone at Torchwood
had undergone basic psychic training. Yvonne, as a supervisor / director /
boss lady, had conceivably undergone more advanced psychic training.
That's why she was able to "keep her head", so to speak, even after
becoming a Cyberman.
Problem is, the emotional inhibitor is a piece of electronics - it
doesn't operate psychically. It's not a form of indoctrination that can
be overcome with sufficient willpower. It's a device that shuts down
human brain function and turns people into Cybermen. I can buy that, if
something happened to the inhibitor, Yvonne's foreknowledge of her fate
combined with her training would allow her to "keep her head" and not
panic or explode after coming to realise she's a Cyberman, but that
requires that something go wrong with the inhibitor first. And this
would have been the simplest thing in the world to incorporate into the
story. Suppose Yvonne were among the Cybers involved in attacking the
Daleks to break out the Doctor, and she got shot - and then once the
Daleks leave we get a shot of her recovering to find that her inhibitor
has been damaged, one that tells us who this Cyberman is.

Phil
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I don't think that's it at all. There's a couple ways you can wank what
1) Her cyber-modified brain got stuck in the pattern of the last thing
she was thinking. She was repeating the same phrase over and over
before being cyber-ized.
2) Her desire to serve Queen and Country was so strong that she overrode
the cyber controller. *
3) The sphere research scientist guy told Rose that everyone at Torchwood
had undergone basic psychic training. Yvonne, as a supervisor / director /
boss lady, had conceivably undergone more advanced psychic training.
That's why she was able to "keep her head", so to speak, even after
becoming a Cyberman.
Does Torchwood have telekinesis?
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I don't think that's it at all. There's a couple ways you can wank what
1) Her cyber-modified brain got stuck in the pattern of the last thing
she was thinking. She was repeating the same phrase over and over
before being cyber-ized.
2) Her desire to serve Queen and Country was so strong that she overrode
the cyber controller. *
3) The sphere research scientist guy told Rose that everyone at Torchwood
had undergone basic psychic training. Yvonne, as a supervisor / director /
boss lady, had conceivably undergone more advanced psychic training.
That's why she was able to "keep her head", so to speak, even after
becoming a Cyberman.
Even though I like the sound of #2, #3 was the first thought that popped
into my head when I saw that scene.
Why didn't any of those psychic Torchwood folks notice that some of their co-workers were no longer in control of their bodies?
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Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
Ah... erm... where exactly is this conveyed to the audience? Is it in
the deleted "help, we need something to shoot something" scenes?
I don't think that's it at all. There's a couple ways you can wank what
1) Her cyber-modified brain got stuck in the pattern of the last thing
she was thinking. She was repeating the same phrase over and over
before being cyber-ized.
2) Her desire to serve Queen and Country was so strong that she overrode
the cyber controller. *
I figured it was quite clever for Yvonne to think very hard about her duty
to her country as she was cyber-ized!
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Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
Ah... erm... where exactly is this conveyed to the audience?
Well, by the fact that she was able to feel emotion, obviously.
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Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
Just before being Cyberized, Yvonne kept saying "I did my duty for Queen and Country" Cyber-Yvonne was saying the same thing and weeping oil as she gunned down the Cybermen. I assumed that her focus on her duty enabled her to override the emotional inhibitor!
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Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Every assembly line turns out a dud every now and then. She just
happened to get the one-in-100,000,000 emotional inhibitor chip that
went tits-up and failed to do its job.
Why would the chip go "tits-up"? Does it want to make mad passionate love? If so, how would one make love to an emotional inhibitor chip?
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.

-- Rob
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It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
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And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
-- Rob
Ermm... since when has Doctor Who been famed for its complete
incoherence? Doctor Who has always relied on narrative cohesion, since
(historically) it didn't have the budget to do anything else. Whereas
in this, stuff just seemed to happen every five minutes for no reason
beyond "oh, we need an explosion now".

If you're going to defend something, defend it, there's no need to say
"oh well Doctor Who has always been that crap." Or why watch it at all?
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Ermm...
What does this mean? You start every response with it and I've seen
other people use it also.
Mike Morris
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Ermm...
What does this mean? You start every response with it and I've seen
other people use it also.
It means nothing at all, it just sort of lends an organic feel to one's
responses.

There might also be an implication that what one is about to point out
is blindingly obvious, but this is a bit more subtle...
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Ermm...
What does this mean? You start every response with it and I've seen
other people use it also.
It means nothing at all, it just sort of lends an organic feel to one's
responses.
There might also be an implication that what one is about to point out
is blindingly obvious, but this is a bit more subtle...
O-kay. I'm not sure how that makes anything organic or obvious but I'll
take your word for it.
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Ermm...
What does this mean? You start every response with it and I've seen
other people use it also.
It means nothing at all, it just sort of lends an organic feel to one's
responses.
There might also be an implication that what one is about to point out
is blindingly obvious, but this is a bit more subtle...
O-kay. I'm not sure how that makes anything organic or obvious but I'll
take your word for it.
Ermm... I'm sure it does...

Oh go on, try it :)
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Ermm...
What does this mean? You start every response with it and I've seen
other people use it also.
It means nothing at all, it just sort of lends an organic feel to one's
responses.
There might also be an implication that what one is about to point out
is blindingly obvious, but this is a bit more subtle...
O-kay. I'm not sure how that makes anything organic or obvious but I'll
take your word for it.
It's an attempt to make it seem like he/she/it is present and
communicating verbally with you. You know all those sounds that people
make that don't actually contain information.
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Ermm...
What does this mean? You start every response with it and I've seen
other people use it also.
Umm... I think it's a guy who doesn't know the word is supposed to be
"umm".
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Ermm...
What does this mean? You start every response with it and I've seen
other people use it also.
Umm... I think it's a guy who doesn't know the word is supposed to be
"umm".
Ermm... It think it's a guy who doesn't want to use an ugly American
spelling like "umm".
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Ermm...
What does this mean? You start every response with it and I've seen
other people use it also.
Umm... I think it's a guy who doesn't know the word is supposed to be
"umm".
Ermm... It think it's a guy who doesn't want to use an ugly American
spelling like "umm".
I have a friend who insists on writing 'hmmm' as 'hrmm' because he says
that's what people clearly say.

He hears an 'r' in places I sure don't.
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Even if it did, Sliders would still rank as the worst sci-fi show ever
made. Not making sense was hardly its critical flaw. Being an attempt
to redo The Time Tunnel with *even worse* scripts, plots and acting was
its critical flaw.
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-- Rob
Ermm... since when has Doctor Who been famed for its complete
incoherence? Doctor Who has always relied on narrative cohesion, since
(historically) it didn't have the budget to do anything else.
Agreed. I'm all for making ironic jibes at failings of Who (or anything
else) past and present, but it helps if they connect to actual failings
of the show. Who used to be a wholly serialised show, and then and in
the modern two-parters alike I can't think of many whose parts failed
to gel in the way they do here.

Phil
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Even if it did, Sliders would still rank as the worst sci-fi show ever
made. Not making sense was hardly its critical flaw. Being an attempt
to redo The Time Tunnel with *even worse* scripts, plots and acting was
its critical flaw.
It did have Kari Wuhrer, though. That's never a bad thing.
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Even if it did, Sliders would still rank as the worst sci-fi show ever
made. Not making sense was hardly its critical flaw. Being an attempt
to redo The Time Tunnel with *even worse* scripts, plots and acting was
its critical flaw.
It did have Kari Wuhrer, though. That's never a bad thing.
sigh :)
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completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Even if it did, Sliders would still rank as the worst sci-fi show ever
made. Not making sense was hardly its critical flaw. Being an attempt
to redo The Time Tunnel with *even worse* scripts, plots and acting was
its critical flaw.
It did have Kari Wuhrer, though. That's never a bad thing.
sigh :)
I met her once a few years ago at the "Eight-Legged Freaks" movie
premiere and I had to make a conscious effort not to stare at her like
an obsessed creepy guy. She didn't run screaming so I assume I was
successful. ;-)
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completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Even if it did, Sliders would still rank as the worst sci-fi show ever
made. Not making sense was hardly its critical flaw. Being an attempt
to redo The Time Tunnel with *even worse* scripts, plots and acting was
its critical flaw.
It did have Kari Wuhrer, though. That's never a bad thing.
sigh :)
I met her once a few years ago at the "Eight-Legged Freaks" movie
premiere and I had to make a conscious effort not to stare at her like
an obsessed creepy guy. She didn't run screaming so I assume I was
successful. ;-)
It was probably the hand cuffs...
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Even if it did, Sliders would still rank as the worst sci-fi show ever
made. Not making sense was hardly its critical flaw. Being an attempt
to redo The Time Tunnel with *even worse* scripts, plots and acting was
its critical flaw.
It did have Kari Wuhrer, though. That's never a bad thing.
sigh :)
I met her once a few years ago at the "Eight-Legged Freaks" movie
premiere and I had to make a conscious effort not to stare at her like
an obsessed creepy guy. She didn't run screaming so I assume I was
successful. ;-)
It was probably the hand cuffs...
Those don't usually come out until later.
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Even if it did, Sliders would still rank as the worst sci-fi show ever
made. Not making sense was hardly its critical flaw. Being an attempt
to redo The Time Tunnel with *even worse* scripts, plots and acting was
its critical flaw.
It did have Kari Wuhrer, though. That's never a bad thing.
sigh :)
I met her once a few years ago at the "Eight-Legged Freaks" movie
premiere and I had to make a conscious effort not to stare at her like
an obsessed creepy guy. She didn't run screaming so I assume I was
successful. ;-)
Either that or she's just used to it. :)
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be
telling
a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in
*what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders"
make
sense.
Even if it did, Sliders would still rank as the worst sci-fi show ever
made. Not making sense was hardly its critical flaw. Being an attempt
to redo The Time Tunnel with *even worse* scripts, plots and acting was
its critical flaw.
It did have Kari Wuhrer, though. That's never a bad thing.
sigh :)
I met her once a few years ago at the "Eight-Legged Freaks" movie
premiere and I had to make a conscious effort not to stare at her like
an obsessed creepy guy. She didn't run screaming so I assume I was
successful. ;-)
Either that or she's just used to it. :)
Point taken.
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Even if it did, Sliders would still rank as the worst sci-fi show ever
made. Not making sense was hardly its critical flaw. Being an attempt
to redo The Time Tunnel with *even worse* scripts, plots and acting was
its critical flaw.
It did have Kari Wuhrer, though. That's never a bad thing.
Yes, it is. Ugh. Implants.

-- Rob
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It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.
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2007-01-06 05:53:56 UTC
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It did have Kari Wuhrer, though. That's never a bad thing.
Yes, it is. Ugh. Implants.
And a whiskey/nicotine voice. And no discernable acting talent. Feh. *
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2007-01-06 06:41:05 UTC
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It did have Kari Wuhrer, though. That's never a bad thing.
Yes, it is. Ugh. Implants.
And a whiskey/nicotine voice. And no discernable acting talent. Feh. *
I remember her fondly from her MTV pre-implant days . . .
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2007-01-06 14:22:48 UTC
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Even if it did, Sliders would still rank as the worst sci-fi show ever
made. Not making sense was hardly its critical flaw. Being an attempt
to redo The Time Tunnel with *even worse* scripts, plots and acting was
its critical flaw.
It did have Kari Wuhrer, though. That's never a bad thing.
Yes, it is. Ugh. Implants.
She doesn't have them any more. So we're back to it being a good thing.
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2007-01-06 14:49:18 UTC
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Even if it did, Sliders would still rank as the worst sci-fi show ever
made. Not making sense was hardly its critical flaw. Being an attempt
to redo The Time Tunnel with *even worse* scripts, plots and acting was
its critical flaw.
It did have Kari Wuhrer, though. That's never a bad thing.
Yes, it is. Ugh. Implants.
She doesn't have them any more. So we're back to it being a good thing.
Hmmm. Not until there are a thousand naked pictures of her on google
withOUT the implants.
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders"
make sense.
Even if it did, Sliders would still rank as the worst sci-fi show ever
made. Not making sense was hardly its critical flaw. Being an attempt
to redo The Time Tunnel with *even worse* scripts, plots and acting
was its critical flaw.
It did have Kari Wuhrer, though. That's never a bad thing.
Yes, it is. Ugh. Implants.
She doesn't have them any more. So we're back to it being a good thing.
Hmmm. Not until there are a thousand naked pictures of her on google
withOUT the implants.
Not sure what pictures on Google have to do with any project she might
happen to be doing now or in the future.
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2007-01-04 20:38:32 UTC
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1
And this is different from any other episode of Doctor Who in *what*
way? Geez, next thing you know, you'll be asking that "Sliders" make
sense.
Even if it did, Sliders would still rank as the worst sci-fi show ever
Oh, not even close. There are at least a dozen worse shows, 2 of them
being Star Treks. EFC was worse after it's first season. So was
Andromeda, towards the end.
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2007-07-06 23:13:23 UTC
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1 - this was an unrelated Dalek
story that just happened to have left-over Cybermen from last week. The
'war' was nothing but an excuse for identikit special effects scenes
and had no bearing on anything that actually happened in the story -
the Doctor's solution would have been the same had the two sides been
allies, and was a deus ex machina to boot (again!) Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen. Most
grating of all (okay, second most grating of all) was the continual
dimension-hopping (including a scene ripped straight from X-Men 2 - how
did Pete know to jump at that moment, and how did he manage to jump to
*a different point* in the building from the one he'd left to catch
Rose?) - never mind that Time Lords apparently never had the tech to do
that so it strains credibility that Torchwood would, it rather makes a
nonsense of the Doctor's dire warning "It could cause the universes to
collapse ... but not until after the next time. And the next. And...".
The most grating thing was of course Rose's departure. The "I died
because I got a death certificate" thing is so unimaginative and
cliched that it would have been better to forget the Beast's prophecy
altogether (after all, he was wrong when he told the crew that that
planet would be their tomb, and for all the audience knew when he
claimed that he would live, so why not about Rose?) and gone with the
Doctor's claim that he'd lied than to try and force the story to comply
with it if RTD wasn't willing to actually kill off the character. But
worse even than that is that she gets a *happy ending*. There's so much
set-up in various parts of the season foreshadowing something dire
coming of the characters' lighthearted attitude to their adventures and
(in Age of Steel and Love & Monsters) that Jackie's life was on the
line, that having Rose reunited with a full family and boyfriend and a
job running Torchwood was a huge letdown quite aside from simply being
bad, hackneyed storytelling.
Rose didn't LOOK happy at the end of the episode!
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2. The plot was muddled to the point that it seemed to be telling a
completely different story from part 1 - this was an unrelated Dalek
story that just happened to have left-over Cybermen from last week. The
'war' was nothing but an excuse for identikit special effects scenes
and had no bearing on anything that actually happened in the story -
the Doctor's solution would have been the same had the two sides been
allies, and was a deus ex machina to boot (again!) Cyber-Yvonne ran
wholly counter to everything we know of Cybermen, not least the whole
emotional inhibitor business so critical to Rise of the Cybermen.
Chalk it up to Yvonne being exceptionally strong willed!

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grating of all (okay, second most grating of all) was the continual
dimension-hopping (including a scene ripped straight from X-Men 2 - how
did Pete know to jump at that moment, and how did he manage to jump to
*a different point* in the building from the one he'd left to catch
Rose?)
When Pete arrived right in front of the entrance to the Void, why wasn't he (A card carrying Void traveler) immediately sucked in? Why didn't the momentum imparted to him by Rose colliding with him knock him into the Void?
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2007-07-06 23:08:43 UTC
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"Doomsday"
12-22-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (1:00 a.m.)
0-1 stars (11:59 p.m.)
-George
5 stars.
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